[quote="Mei tsuki7"][quote="Steam Punk Adept"][quote="Mei tsuki7"][quote="cap_gun_girl"]Highly immoral and actually murder. Abortion is not murder when the fetus in still in the body because it is not alive, nor able to survive on its own, (meaning, it cannot survive with out the nutrients, blood and heart of the mother, host... *) it is not murder, you cannot kill something that is not alive. But a baby, can, so killing it is killing a living person and it is murder. I am happy I live in Canada because I can avoid all the stupidity and politics in the states regarding this issue. (* though one could argue that in the late third trimester they could survive on their own i.e 'premies'... also it is obvious that late term abortions are highly dangerous and pointless unless there are pregnancy complications that risk the mother's life)[/quote] Technically, a fetus can survive outside of the womb at about 24 weeks with our current technology. That, in my view, should be the cut off for abortions.[/quote]So, because a small handful can survive that early, we should force women to endure term pregnancy on the rest who can't? Terrible logic[/quote] And the fetus should die because the mother couldn't decide if she wanted to keep the kid or not until after halfway through her pregnancy? Among babies born alive at 22 weeks, fewer than 10% survived; at 23 weeks, 53% survived; at 24 weeks, 67% survived; at 25 weeks, 82% survived; at 26 weeks, 85% survived, the study shows. [url=http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2009-06-02-prematurebabies-survival_N.htm][1][/url] 67% is not a small percentage and that information is from 3 years ago. I would say that the percentage is probably higher now.[/quote] Medicine is improving all the time, wait a second and I will do a search to see if I can find the most recent figures. EDIT- Here is what I am able to get for free to show people. http://journals.lww.com/greenjournal/Abstract/2012/04000/Improving_Survival_of_Extremely_Preterm_Infants.15.aspx At 24 weeks premature the survival rate is now 87%