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Brad Meine

PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 1:01 pm


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First, I'd like to thank all of you for allowing me to join the "Gaia Anti-Nazi Guild." As part of the guild, I share your anti-racist sentiments as well as your opposition to the ideology rooted in the ideas of racism, racial purity, and segregation that is National Socialism.

My name is Brad, apparently. I'm an 18 year old high school graduate. I will be attending community college this fall. I consider myself to be a mildly liberal Fascist and hope that through Q&A (as well as my short rants), that you all can obtain a better understanding of Fascism, my personal beliefs, and the core differences between Fascism and Nazism.

Please use this thread to ask thought-provoking questions as well as clear up any myths or fallacies revolving Fascism and/or its relationship to National Socialism.

I am always up for a mature debate. This does not open the doors for hateful replies and flaming.

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What is Fascism?
We believe in most all of the qualities that National Socialists believe. Honor, dignity, honesty are all values that we Fascists uphold and we share these strongly with the National Socialist party. We believe in a strong, central unitary form of government (sometimes a dictator but can also be a council).

One major difference between National Socialism and Fascism is that unlike the Nazis, we do not believe in the idea of racial superiority, racial segregation, or racism of any kind. Like America today, Italy in the 30s (under Mussolini) was a melting pot of culture, and just like America today it was impractical to attempt to form a "superior" and pure race when no such thing existed.

We're about as close as you can get to National Socialist without all the racist baggage. Read the following website for a brief but thorough overview:

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/mussolini-fascism.html

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Why is it that racists are often times referred to as "fascist pigs"?
Great question! And it's one I ask myself on a daily basis. The best answer I can come up with is the following:

National Socialists are Fascists. Fascists are not necessarily National Socialists. Think of Nazis as a more specialized and focused version of Fascism.

Example: Punk is a form of Rock, but not all Rock is Punk.

Back in the 30s and 40s, atleast to the Americans (since the Nazis and Fascist Italians/Spaniards were allies), the idea of Nazis and Fascists were synonymous. To an American, they were the same thing since they were BOTH the enemy.

Allied propaganda at the time, bundled the Axis powers together as the "Fascists pigs". The idea of Fascists being racist comes from the raping of the term. Since the Nazis were racists and the Fascists were allied with them, and since the Nazis themselves were Fascists (in a way), the term just stuck.

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Please read the two following topics that I have created about Fascism:
Pure Fascism diluted by Racial Purification:
http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5797129
Banning by Gaia Nazi Guild further proves Intolerance:
http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5977794
PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 4:51 pm


But you see, I DO believe in stamping out nationalism and a strong centralized government, as well as militarism. I'm opposed to fascism just as much as I am to nazism.

See, although I believe that fascism as a political doctrine should be stamped out (or at the very least, countered by its opponents), I believe that fascists and nazis have every right to spew their drivel as I have to spew my Anarchist drivel.

Famicommie
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famusamu

PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 11:01 pm


Personally myself I favor a Theocracy......where we let G-d rule. Of course here in America that wouldn't work since there are many religions, so I think I'll have to wait for Christ to come to have the Perfect Form of government.
PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 3:30 pm


famusamu
Personally myself I favor a Theocracy......where we let G-d rule. Of course here in America that wouldn't work since there are many religions, so I think I'll have to wait for Christ to come to have the Perfect Form of government.
yeah, but of anyone, you and I both know EXACTLY why that would be bad. Here in Utah, they are trying to Push Sunday Laws, where nobody can do business on Sundays. But, Saturdays would be well open for Business. This makes a problem for pretty much anyone who is not a Sunday Going Christian, and I do believe that Somewhere in Revelations it warns about in teh Final Days the Church will rule the State, and it will create much sorrow.

Se Ga Takai


Famicommie
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 8:26 pm


Se Ga Takai
Famicommie
But you see, I DO believe in stamping out nationalism and a strong centralized government, as well as militarism. I'm opposed to fascism just as much as I am to nazism.
okay...but...why? Government is evil at it's core, yes, but it is a required evil. It's not just something that one can do away with. A strong Government is required for a Strong Nation. In a total Anarchy, everyone would be muscled out of their belongings, and eventually one group would come into power. There ya go, The Mafia in Charge, you just created a totalitarian Government.

I'll take my Republic, thank you very MUCH.


A republic isn't necessarily a strong centralized government. But in any event, I'm not going to do this divisionary in-fighting bullshit. Disagree with my politics if you'd like, but how about we stand together in the common cause against fascism?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:34 pm


Famicommie
Disagree with my politics if you'd like, but how about we stand together in the common cause against fascism?

...I'm not against you, but I'm not against Fascism, either. A strong Government, I'm all sorts of good with that, but if Fascism doesn't promote Rascism, then I see no problems with it, and thus, will not 'stand against it'. And I'm not trying to be 'divisionary', just stating my opinion...

Se Ga Takai


BrotherOfDarkness

PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 10:18 am


Unfortunately although a fascist society may not be 'racist', racism and fascism ARE different, but the reason they are so interconnected is that first of all the same as communism, where any great amount of power is offered to a single person or a small group of people that government can become extremely strong, and the country strong. examples. British Empire and its monarchy. Soviet Union. Roman Empires. Ancient Egypt. Japan. modern china 1930's Germany! They are all the most powerfull empires EVER and all had basically one great figure.
And many such as the British Empire and the Roman Empire incorporated many countries, religions, and races.
But as i was saying giving too much power to a small group has ALWAYS resulted in persecution of one group or other, the weak or poor etc, and human rights abuses and corruption within that empire.

Also... Even though that empire contry etc may be strong, and is fascist, but not 'racist' such as the Roman Empire (it saw no difference between races at all, (exept in the case of christianity,which was adopted anyway)however did between classes)

It will still have hatred towards other empires or countries.

So I am basically saying that rascism and fascism go hand in hand due to human nature ,and the set up of a fascist society allow hatred of minority groups.

If there WAS a world wide Empire it would well be extremely great and the human race would come forward leaps and bounds. but in order to get such a world empire you would have to do what the Naziz tried to do. and again any world wide government would stop much conflict, if EVERYONE was communist or a democrate etc...
PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 10:21 am


Famicommie
But you see, I DO believe in stamping out nationalism and a strong centralized government, as well as militarism. I'm opposed to fascism just as much as I am to nazism.

See, although I believe that fascism as a political doctrine should be stamped out (or at the very least, countered by its opponents), I believe that fascists and nazis have every right to spew their drivel as I have to spew my Anarchist drivel.


I belive in the similar idea that fasism should be eradictaed along with any form of ideals that allow hatred to grow.
f you want a metaphor a nasty one would be that I see Hatred(includes Rascism) as a cancer, and needs to be ripped out of human society, and sometimes in order to eradicate all of that cancer, you need to get rid off 'healthy' areas either skin, breasts, testicles etc... so I belive cruching fascism is a worthy sacrifice.

BrotherOfDarkness

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