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 Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:26 am
I was perusing the forums of BLACK METAL MAFIA and I seen this thread posted by Angel Rapist. I dug it so I copied his post here to strike conversation in vein to the subject. My reply will be copied in full too. I also sent him an Honorary Guild invite, haha. Angel Rapist Blah! I haven't been on this crappy platform for a while now... But boredom won and now i'm looking for some nice discussions on an high aspiration level... I hope my rusty english won't stand in my way wink So, what does Black Metal stand for in your Life? Which idiology? Are there entities like gods? If yes which? Life after death? Philosophical influences on the way you see the world? Any membership in religous / philosophical societies or churches? So I shall make a start then: I totally commit my life to Satan. BUT Not as some kind of cosmic entity or ruler of hell in the way christians and jews define Satan. I also defy the writings of organisations like LaVeys f*****t "Church of Satan" which proclaims to stand for freedom and self-fulfillment but sets commandings and tells its members how to behave as a "true satanist". Satan is a force that dwells in each human. Most people are to weak to handle these powers though. The creed of "Deus est Homo" pretty much sums it up. Satan is every urge you feel. Satan means total egoism, which doesn't mean one shouldn't take care of people who are close to one... Taking care of beloved ones is nothing but pure egoism... If they are down, so are you... Denying any urge means cheating on your true self. This includes the defiance of lust like christians teach it, but it also includes the defiance of joy like some "ultra trve"-poser black metal people do... Satanism is pretty much the same as hedonism to me, but with a twist... The main goal in life is still self-fulfillment through joy and pleasure but the force empowering all this is of nihilistic nature. The human race sucks, behaving like sheep but claiming to be superior, there is no rational (!) sense in life other than spreading your genes, hoping your children will carry some more common sense in this world, being able to live as an individual, as wolves among sheep. Well why the ******** shouldn't I live my life to the fullest? Crapping in the woods, having as much sex as possible, eating everything i want to, why should i artificially extend my life in this world full of bullshit? Breaking the boundaries of Society wherever it limits the evolution of humans who are able to live on their own again... Now playing: Deströyer 666 - Lone Wolf Winter wink
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:27 am
* COPIED FROM ORIGINAL THREAD* Angel Rapist The human race sucks, behaving like sheep but claiming to be superior, there is no rational (!) sense in life other than spreading your genes, hoping your children will carry some more common sense in this world, being able to live as an individual, as wolves among sheep. Well why the ******** shouldn't I live my life to the fullest? Crapping in the woods, having as much sex as possible, eating everything i want to, why should i artificially extend my life in this world full of bullshit? Couldn't have said it better. I honestly don't follow any religion by practice, but by association, I claim the banner(s) of Asatru/Odal. I believe in what my old lineage practiced and that was avid Asatru. Not saying I take everything to heart. The way you describe Satan can be whatever God you want and that's why I got sparked into replying. Philosophy holds more meaning to me than any religion, but a certain amount of Spirituality does the mind good. Don't give a ******** what it's directed to, just don't base it on stones and paper scrawlings - base it on what feels right to you. A God doesn't need worship, other than love from you. It doesn't need a building to communicate; your subconscious works FAR better. More so than anything, you are NOT what God MADE YOU. GOD is what YOU MAKE HIM. As for your question about memberships, I belong to a certain order, but I will not discuss openly, because quite frankly, it doesn't matter. We're not big, nor are we yearning for attention. We believe in what we believe and while we may be small in number, we're great in dedication. And no, I'm not saying that because a "cult" is "kvlt" but I can't stand the idea of being around people for the sake of being around people. I want to feel the same love I give as opposed to the same dedication. Anyone can believe, but not all can love. One thing we hold in high reverence - and this'll sound cliche as ******** - is nature and natural selection. We organize a huge hike - 3 miles in, 3 miles back - through the woods four times a year. One per season, hehe. And we get naked and dance around fires covered in goat blood. Haha, as sweet as that would be, we really don't, but we've been accused, which is s**t. I enjoy this thread man, it was a kickass conversation starter. There's so much I want to say, but no one gets on here to post anymore. Everyone moved to my Guild, and even it's not super active. I'll send you an invite for it and brotherhood.
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:57 am
I did see this topic in the other guild, its great! biggrin Sadly I dont have enough time to make my post, so that'll have to wait for a little bit. Stoked to see what everyones views are and hopefuly have some great discussions.
The guilds getting more active! Slowly but surely! smile
Im out for the day, have a good day everyone!
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 12:55 pm
I never grew up in a religious household, was never made to go to church or be baptised against my will (poor babies!) I also never grew up disliking religion, I knew nothing about it quite frankly but I've always felt something negative inside when I'd see the Pope on tv, or preachers or priests spreading false truths to the blind. haha So there was always that instinct that told me to keep away.
Five years ago (when I was 14) my mother decided it would be in her best interest to join the Jehovah Witnesses. I new nothing of the organization, but as time went on I saw changes. I watched first hand as this organization pulled my mom in, how she let it happen and I saw how her free bright spirit dimmed. I'd try and talk to her, but it would always turn into an argument having her tell me to join her at the Kingdom Hall, I need to learn the truth! no thanks. I love my mother very dearly and I would give absolutley anything to have her back to her normal quirky ways. But sadly I do think I've lost her and she has lost herself.
I'd show her videos and read her things about our vast universe, its endlessness and timelessness and tell her that it really is quite selfish to think that, in all of existence, we're the only ones, the only race with intelligence out of a whole universe. I think that alone would break any religious follower believing such ideologies down to their foundations and bring wonder back into their blind lives. But nope, I guess not..
As for what I personally believe, I hail the forces of nature, the universe, the psychedelic realms, blackmetal and Satan.(ALOT)
Satan being inside myself, I am my driving force to do what is the absolute best for me and for the ones I love. I am the opposer of all things that attempt to try and take myself away.. from myself. lol
I do believe that if there is a Hell, its here on this earth. And what do we know about this earth? We know how big it is, how many people populate it (TOO ******** MANY!), we know of its different animal inhabitants, the plants and terrain, we know of the weather, where we can live and where we cannot. We know how to destroy it (war, destroying forests, polluting etc), and it knows how to destroy us. I do believe on this earth one higher power or force is nature. And really, the only earth inhabitants who live purely with nature are the animals. We see on the news great storms destroying cities and it comes more and more it seems. I do believe the earth is going into a renewal period and that sometime there will be a big change. Whether thats the 'end of the world' I dont know. but I have a feeling. I do what I can to help out in small ways- growing a garden or planting flowers in the spring, I exercise still hunting, go camping, go exploring. etc do what I can. smile
As I said above, the universe is HUGE! How can we be the only intelligence in a whole entire universe? It seems preposterous to me. And I believe as humans we are very small, we gather what information we can and put it to what use we can, but we are only humans. And even if there was a God who created only us, gave us a planet to live on and gave us a beautiful night sky to marvel at.. wouldnt he think we might get.. just alittle.. suspicous about what else is out there? haha bogus!
I'm also big into psychedelics and they alone have shown me things no book of 'truths' ever could. I've been to places no 'normal' human has been or explored, I've been shown things by beings (if you will) that would seem just out of this world and weird or ******** up to any other person who does not know. Call me crazy if you will but by doing psychedelics Im closer to myself, I can explore places nobodys been before physically and probably will never be physically. hahaha Psychedelics bring wonder into my life and its absolutley glorius!
Black metal on the other hand can do the same for me like any psychedelic can. .. In a different sense of course. Theres this power behind it like no other. I just love when a good album can put you into a trance and take you places you've never been before- to whole other worlds. Its a wonderful thing, really! 3nodding and I have black metal to thank for giving me the 'what if?!' instead of only seeing life one way and one way only.
So theres my master post, just a brief taste into what I believe. Hopefuly it doesnt come off as sounding too crazy and some what makes some sense to someone. somesomesome.
Im a galactic space cadet who digs nature, psychedelics, black metal, and myself. In a nutshell. hahaha
dancing naked in goats blood around a fire.. doesnt seem like that bad of an idea! hahaha
and i dont think getting ******** up is a religion. hahaha .. if it were, itd probably be a hell of alot better than reading the bible, or eating stale bread. zzzz
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:01 pm
That was an entrancing post my dear! I definitely share a compassion for psychedelics the way you do. Need I mention the ethereal rumbling of the Earth that one only hears whilst being carried by the spirits of the Earth? Staggering truly.
Jehova Witnesses are s**t, with no offense being directed towards your Mother. I feel for you though. Perhaps she'll come around. I used to share your theory of hell too, but I started leaning towards the direction of hell, like heaven and God, are what you make it. Example: If you're a Rapist and you rape some body, usually you're ******** and get caught. I'm an occultist among other things, but I hold no respect or love towards someone who would willingly put themselves, selfishly & hatefully, onto someone. Anyways, them getting caught results in prison, which result in THEM getting raped. Thus they procreated their own hell, which doubles as a heaven too as they're protected from the even angrier family/friends of the victim. Likewise if you were the founder of Sony, you've procreated a multi-million dollar industry, which can easily translate into heaven, you're still plagued with many problems(some are near impossible to believe, but they actually happen), thus doubling as your own hell.
Of course that's a terrible set of examples, but it was the easiest way to explain my theory. Not saying yours is wrong though! Just thought I'd throw my two cents in, for what they're worth, hehe.
And... the Guild is growing... I'm super stoked. smile
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:30 pm
Well, ******** it, I'll elaborate on my post a bit more, for those who care or enjoy a good(or bad) read:
Despite my claims of Asatru/Odal, I truly am more aligned, personally, mentally, philosophically, and physically with Druidism/Shamanism. Nature holds complete power over us as we obviously are at the mercy of storms, droughts, etc. I pay homage much similar to Ave - planting gardens, hunting and using EVERYTHING that I kill, and the like - but it goes a bit deeper than that: I belong to an Order. Before I discuss that any further, I just want to say, I don't care if you don't believe the next paragraph - though it's really not that unbelievable truthfully.. there're more Cults than anyone knows - but it's all true. Every single ******** word.
I know I said I wasn't going to discuss it, but I realize saying that we didn't want attention was more pretentious than anything and it kinda does matter in the sense that some people could relate and perhaps continue the legacy in other parts of the world, and perhaps we'll be as big as Christianity! Haha. My attempt to weave a certain mysticism makes it seems more Black Metal than anything, haha. But, as far as I know, I'm the only avid BM listener - everyone else is Pagan Thrash and Folk. Not that I care, but c'mon! Haha.
Music tastes aside..
The Order has three separate "brotherhoods" so far, all identifying to the primary sect called Keepers of the Sacred Grove. We all belong to the same majority, just different.. "brotherhoods" from area to area, if you will. It's quite possible that we're mentioned on the net somewhere, but I doubt it.
The three Brotherhoods and corresponding locations are:
Oaken Vale of the Wood - Southern and parts of Northern Michigan, USA
Ashen Vale of the Thorn - Northern Ohio, USA
Misty Vale of the Antler - Southern and Central Ohio, USA(the one I belong to)
Yeah I know, sounds like some kickass RPG s**t, right? Admittedly, that was a major attraction for me, as I normally loathe organized beliefs, but we're all under the same banner and there's no propaganda; just a similar belief to protect and value the Wood and it's denizens above all. We're not a hippie movement either and have been accused of such involvement. But, we're around many pseudo-religious fags and their bigotry comes at a price: seriously they think we're Satan worshipers, which, in itself, isn't far from the truth, but it reforms back to what Ave and Angel Rapist have already spoken of.
We don't have temples, though it'd be badass and we organize a massive walk for the entire sect of the K.O.T.S.G to embark on and we call it the "Transcending Ascension" and it's a 3 mile in, 3 mile back hike through a pre-plotted wooded area. It's truly a cheesy name, but when under the influence of certain... mental helpers, it really becomes exactly that: a metamorphosis if you will.
So, there it is, the core of my beliefs and my order. I guess I really didn't talk about my beliefs to an extended level, but I guess I can wait for more conversation to do so.
Where does music come into play? Well, it started my primary interest(that and video games haha) into Occult research and it was this research that led to me to find the Keepers and soon afterward my place with the Misty Vale.
Ugh, my fingers are sore.. haha.
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 5:37 pm
Its really intriguing what you're a part of Kristian, I've often wanted to be a part of something greater with like minded individuals. Infact I still do, but where I live there is nothing and very few people who would like to do the same and gain the same as a group. Most people I know just lack.. hahaha Just out of curiosity does this have anything to do with the Michigan Brotherhood? Just did a quick little google search to stick my nose into. hahaha PaganYellowpages .. ultra yellow pages. holy ********. (not a huge fan of the color yellow makes my brain short circut. hahaha!) Actual site
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 6:50 pm
Ave Satana Its really intriguing what you're a part of Kristian, I've often wanted to be a part of something greater with like minded individuals. Infact I still do, but where I live there is nothing and very few people who would like to do the same and gain the same as a group. Most people I know just lack.. hahaha Just out of curiosity does this have anything to do with the Michigan Brotherhood? Just did a quick little google search to stick my nose into. hahaha PaganYellowpages .. ultra yellow pages. holy ********. (not a huge fan of the color yellow makes my brain short circut. hahaha!) Actual siteThe people you speak of are rare, but they exist. It's just hard to find 'em because no one wants to talk about it due to not being taken seriously and/or looked down upon. Which the latter is annoying and I myself don't care whether someone thinks badly of me or not; Karma is my back up for that, hah. However some people are just affected by it.. poor bastards. Regarding this Circle of the Sacred Grove business: This is based on rumour: Those guys are pretty legit and as far as I know, around before us. However, they really do nothing but group around talking. No connection but we've shared a member back a while ago.... name escapes me currently. As far as I know and upon viewing the horribly done web page, they look to be far smaller than us. Dedicated I suppose, but I really know next to nothing about them save for the rumours of it being a "learning group" as opposed to spiritual cult, which is closer to what we are. In other words, where they sit around and talk about theology, we protect monumental forests, trip on acid, smoke weed, and glorify forestry(not to be confused with the lumberjack type) Plus, we have sweet robes, ;P Kidding, but it's been talked about. Why? Don't know, but we'd look sweet. Looking further into the site it looks like it's just a hang out, which verifies a few rumours I've mentioned. Actually, I found this on the COTSG site: " The Old Religion survives because it is mutable. It is the CONNECTION that is important, whatever the name or face." That's pretty cool and similar to our "motto" message. One day we may have a webpage for those seeking accommodation within our grove... in fact... I could possibly start a blogspot for it. I'd have to talk to the others regarding it, but damn it Ave, you may have just started something bigger than you realize. biggrin Bad a** that you found those guys and searched. Before replying, please take note that I know next to nothing regarding the Circle of the Sacred Grove. I only know what I've heard and just because you read a webpage doesn't mean you honestly know what they're selling, in a sense.Circle of the Sacred Grove to me seems just that: A circle for like minded peoples who talk, write, learn using anthropoligical means. Keepers of the Sacred Grove are a group of people who glorify the spirits of the wood, cleanse ourselves, bond, and research ancient text. More than that, we hold love and passion in high reverence, but we also hold a sort of grim stature to New Age religions. We're a cult, no if, ands, or buts about it. We are keepers of ancient lore that belong to the forest.
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 7:06 pm
... re-reading my post.. it seems erratic and poorly written. Not to mention like it jumps all over the place.
I apologize. I imagine it's because my mood went from great to s**t in a manner of 5 minutes right as I was writing it.
*sigh* Nonetheless, if it doesn't make sense, just let me know and I'll elaborate on any part.
On a side note, another subject for discussion: what are your thoughts on using music as a spiritual outlet? The band I have in mind, and I'd say there's no better candidate, is Agalloch. More specifically: their greatest work to date and probably of their career, "Pale Folklore?"
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Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 12:47 pm
Ok, i just found this... I'll repost, what I wrote in the other Guild's Forum although parts of it might be obsolete now, that I've read this Thread, but I'll reply to this later... Just got home from Work (Left the house at 7.30 in the morning, came back at 9.30 in the evening -.-) and my mind is too tired for complex topics in an foreign language wink Last Post in the Other Guild: Mh... I wouldn't know anything wrong about getting naked and dancing around fires covered in goat blood... Even though it should rather be sheep blood... It has a stronger symbolic character ;D Good ol' Beltane celebrations wink Quote: The way you describe Satan can be whatever God you want Well, yes and no... I might call it the mighty lord of choclate chip ice cream, right, but barely any other man made deity stands for those attributes... I suppose Satan is the figure, which represents this kind of self-indulgence most... Quote: We believe in what we believe and while we may be small in number, we're great in dedication. And no, I'm not saying that because a "cult" is "kvlt" but I can't stand the idea of being around people for the sake of being around people. I want to feel the same love I give as opposed to the same dedication. Anyone can believe, but not all can love. This sounds amazing, good for you! Mh... In which extent are you in to Asatru? Personally I don't hold those neo-pagans pretty high... In germany we have a saying about not trying to ride a dead horse... I hope you get my point... I respect my ancestor's believe and i am sad they were slaughtered and lost the war against christianisation, but on the other hand it is fact, that they lost... And since I'm a huge fan of evolutiontheories and the principle of "survival of the fittest" it appears that they simply weren't strong enough (despite the fact that the christians won in an unhonourable way). Well anyways... I hope there will be a time, were there will be revenge and our fatherlands will be cleansed of all that scum, preaching nothing but guilt, bringing nothing but pain, sadness and self-deception... Sadly we most likely won't see this anymore... And probably this time won't come for germany, too soon because this is probably gonna be a muslim state by 2050, but that's another topic...
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Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:45 pm
Quote: Well, yes and no... I might call it the mighty lord of choclate chip ice cream, right, but barely any other man made deity stands for those attributes... I suppose Satan is the figure, which represents this kind of self-indulgence most... Hah, yeah. I didn't literally mean it that way.. guess I should've elaborated a bit more. What I meant was that anything you want can be worshiped. Or followed. For example: my Last.FM handle is theGoatchrist. I use that for one reason. Not the reason of I enjoy Belphegor( to which I do, but not enough to name my username after their song) nor the reason that I hail Baphomet, or rather, the Goat of Mendes, which I do out of respect, but not faith. I use it for this reason: " Goat" symbolizes Freedom. " Christ" symbolizes King or Lord, or even God. " The" makes it a personal reflection of oneself. In other words my username theGoatchrist means: I worship/follow my freedom as my own Lord/God. I am theGoatchrist, just as all of us are. smile Hope that cleared that up a bit as I think we can all, at least to some degree, agree to disagree on it. biggrin I hail Nature, I hail freedom, so I hail the Eternal Goat who grazes the realm of Earth. We make it what we want, thus we control our own destiny. That said, I really only wear the title of "Druidic Occultist" lightly and sparingly, for obvious reasons. Those who need to know, will know. Those who don't, ******** 'em, they'll die just the same, only my death will be remembered by the Earth. Quote: Mh... In which extent are you in to Asatru? Personally I don't hold those neo-pagans pretty high... In germany we have a saying about not trying to ride a dead horse... I hope you get my point... I am Asatru only by association. Basically, my lineage consists of primary Asatru practitioners. I don't worship any mythology, but if asked what my religion is by the general masses, I simply respond "Asatru." I get your point perfectly mate. It's a damn good saying if I do say so myself! I hold Neo-Paganism higher than anything else in spirituality, but only the tangible aspects. Sure, I believe the Earth has spirits, but I believe we can't understand the way they work, making it half agnostic I suppose. I know that I serve them to the best of my ability and with that being said and done, it allows me to look myself in the mirror and tell myself I'm doing the best I can. smile Essentially, I hold Neo-Paganism as inspiration, honour, and respect; not belief, so to speak. Hope that helped! Quote: i am sad they were slaughtered and lost the war against christianisation, but on the other hand it is fact, that they lost... And since I'm a huge fan of evolutiontheories and the principle of " survival of the fittest" it appears that they simply weren't strong enough (despite the fact that the christians won in an unhonourable way). You hit the nail on the head right there. Honorable or not, they still lost and that's something we have to cope with sadly. I can claim to believe in survival of the fittest but it'd be a lie considering we have hospitals, which pretty shove that theory right out the window. On the other side of the coin, we saw fit to allow others the will to survive, so I don't know how to address it actually... it's a ******** paradox. Nonetheless, I pretty much agree with your statement 98%. Quote: Well anyways... I hope there will be a time, were there will be revenge and our fatherlands will be cleansed of all that scum, preaching nothing but guilt, bringing nothing but pain, sadness and self-deception... Sadly we most likely won't see this anymore... Let me ask you this, and this is directed to everyone as well: If the time came to fight against the Christian scum, would you rise up and fight? Seriously, would you? Revenge is over-rated, but a cleansing isn't. Christendom hoped to cleanse the world of Pagans, but I think they'll get cleansed eventually... irony at it's very ******** best. smile I mean, look at Rome. You can't; they destroyed themselves. America is pretty much New Rome. Only we'll take the world down with us if we don't straighten our s**t up. Let us hope that we live to see the day that the b*****d Christ falls and all of his God Fearing Sheep with him. The time of the Sheep has ended; the time of the Forest-Goat is now. I wish I were leading that charge, haha. Quote: And probably this time won't come for germany, too soon because this is probably gonna be a muslim state by 2050, but that's another topic... It's cool; America is turning black and muslim daily. Let's all go to Norway or Finland. I'll pay for at least 3 people. smile Or abandon everything and go deep in Russia. Angel Rapist, you're a worthy mind my friend. Glad to have you on the team mate. All of you actually.
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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 1:21 pm
After I posted in that "Tome of..." Thread I'm tired again, so I have to delay a longer post again... Quote: Let me ask you this, and this is directed to everyone as well: If the time came to fight against the Christian scum, would you rise up and fight? Seriously, would you? Revenge is over-rated, but a cleansing isn't. Christendom hoped to cleanse the world of Pagans, but I think they'll get cleansed eventually... Yes, definately... If the time came... But this time needs definition... It would be futile attempting anything on your own... Legions have to gather, the people who only talk big have to be sorted out and political situation got to be right... What we need is, what happens in northeast Africa right now plus an organized amount of likewise thinking people, ready to use a situation like that... There is no use in fighting scattered all over the place...
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 1:32 pm
Yes, I'm totally with you on the symbolic character of the goat!
That's why I stated previously that sheep blood had a much stronger symbolic power than goat blood for "dancing-naked-around-the-fire"-rituals razz
I aggree with you in most things, you state...
But there is one thing I totally disagree with...
And this is the existence of "spirits" or whatever you wanna call a higher power...
As the scientist I am, I believe that everything in this world can be explained and researched, without blaming any deity or something likely... This is something previous civilizations did in the lack of knowledge and science...
When we die, our brain ceases function, we rot, end of story... Nevertheless I'd like to have my deceased body thrown in the woods, for fulfilling the last purpose of being a fertilizer for a precious region wink
I believe most "paranormal" events can be explained by psychosomatics and auto-suggestion... These things are the most powerful abilities a human mind is capable of...
When you're sick, you can get well quicker, if only you keep telling your subconcious that you will and only believing in it firmly... This is why some people think their prayers work, because they convinced their subconcious to regulate body processes in another way... We are able to manipulate almost everything about ourselves by doing so, I've empirically experienced this. Sure it works the other way round, by believing in being sick...
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 5:26 pm
Quote: Yes, I'm totally with you on the symbolic character of the goat! That's why I stated previously that sheep blood had a much stronger symbolic power than goat blood for "dancing-naked-around-the-fire"-rituals razz Haha, yeah I got it. Just decided to put something down spur of the moment. I also drink menstrual blood, which tastes like a mouthful of pennies. Anyways.... stressed Quote: I aggree with you in most things, you state... But there is one thing I totally disagree with... And this is the existence of "spirits" or whatever you wanna call a higher power... As the scientist I am, I believe that everything in this world can be explained and researched, without blaming any deity or something likely... This is something previous civilizations did in the lack of knowledge and science... When we die, our brain ceases function, we rot, end of story... Nevertheless I'd like to have my deceased body thrown in the woods, for fulfilling the last purpose of being a fertilizer for a precious region wink Meh, I'm usually 50/50 on it. I guess maybe it's the aspect that I like to believe in spiritual entities, but the rationality is too much to take in, so I guess I make due in say that because I am a scientist as well and when I say spirits, in actuality I mean what they essentially are: memories. Much like memories of our first show, the nostalgia is frighteningly close to a spiritual transcendence. However, there are things that science or philosophy cannot explain. I mean, in all reality, just because we decipher something and figure out how it works, doesn't meant that it's not supernatural or paranormal. For instance: we discover mitochondria, which are a sub-sect of molecular design that essentially control energy usage and to an extent, evolution. We identify them as Mitchondria and slap science as a label on it. How do we know we didn't just name a spiritual aspect of life? Sure, science is a way to explain things, but just because things are explained in that manner doesn't make them any less supernatural. Now, I do agree with you on exactly what you stated my friend, so please don't take that as an attack, but rather, take it as another point to explore. smile Moving on to older cultures... yeah, they didn't have the understanding that we have in our world today. So an event like a, let's say... volcanic eruption happens, sure, they're not going to know it was a geothermic build up of pressure beneath the earthen crust. They'd think a God was angry with them. Anyways, to walk through the woods and not be moved by it's beauty or the things that have left a sort of energy(memory mark) on the place is just and no offense, but it's not human. Perhaps the line between spirit and memory is a lot finer than we always thought? I suppose it's also based on personal deduction. I'd like to carry on that^^ discussion. I enjoy a friendly debate on the laws of science versus the faith of creation. smile Quote: I believe most "paranormal" events can be explained by psychosomatics and auto-suggestion... These things are the most powerful abilities a human mind is capable of... When you're sick, you can get well quicker, if only you keep telling your subconcious that you will and only believing in it firmly... This is why some people think their prayers work, because they convinced their subconcious to regulate body processes in another way... We are able to manipulate almost everything about ourselves by doing so, I've empirically experienced this. Sure it works the other way round, by believing in being sick... Exactly, hypochondria(or is it psypochodria?) can be used in many different forms. I've never thought of prayers that way... that's the s**t! 3nodding But of course, a prayer, or rather, mental force cannot force the lottery to go their way. I'm slightly buzzed from the left over beer me and Kira had from yesterday, so forgive me if my reply wasn't in the best form or context.
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