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[quote="Jahath"] All provided by wikipedia? Well in this case whole post can be proven wrong with only one argument. On wikipedia it has a tab that says edit content or some thing to that effect well all I have to do is push it and edit any content I want. I could say that Gorge Washington lived on the moon and created earth and England than so people will remember him he made Mount Rushmore in his image. Just saying I would never do that but you can never know what lies are in there. I could leave it at that but decide not to. Can you explain how Argon dating works and how it is a fact that the earth is million of years old? Lucy’s locking knees is not a fact because Lucy is a fraud see the Evolution Cruncher and I think Icons of Evolution also covers this. As for Darwin's finches' beaks, inherited immunity to disease well they inherited that trait from the parents so it is not a mutation. Sickle cell anemia is not a beneficial mutation and neither is color blindness. And malaria is also bad. The argument that sickle cell anemia prevents malaria is also like saying that people without feet can not get athletes foot. And the colorblindness enhances contrast so one can see better under low light conditions well that is silly because, who wants to be colorblind? And they “see better because we depend on color to much if some one with out colorblindness works at it he might be able to see just as well in the dark as someone with colorblindness he just needs to walk around in the dark for a wile. The first four I could talk about but will save it for later. #5 I have no idea what you are talking about but it might be a lie from someone who dislikes Hovind because they can not beat him in a fair scientific debate. #6 how do you know that man and dinosaur did not coexisted at one time? #7, 8, &9 are not really good arguments because evolutionists join other evolutionist to try to beat creation. 8 what dose this scientific method, claims scientific results thing mean? 9 can you prove that evolution can even by considered a theory?[/quote] I meant all the Kent Hovind stuff... not the K-Ar dating or any other aspect. Anyway you do know that to edit wikipedia you have to post links to credible sources of information, and that those sources are reviewed by the admin staff right?? K-Ar works in much the same way as C14 dating. Take an object of known age and test it to get your % error, then take rocks from the lowest layer of strata and test for the percentage of K-40 in it and then the amount of Ar-40, you then calculate the percentage left of K-40 to find how many half-lives have occurred, (each Half-life is about 1,300,000,000 years as I said before) So we find that the normal percentage of K-40 in lower strata rocks is about 12.5% so three Half-lives equals about four billion years. I DISPROVED EVOLUTION CRUNCHER FIFTY PAGES AGO. USE PEER REWIEWED SOURCES!!! (Sorry rest of ED but I felt that deserved all caps) Yes, they inherited A Mutation, y'know something that sets one apart from the rest of the population. You obviously don't do a lick of research on evolution do you? We scientists believe that evolution is the result of beneficial mutations passed down from parent to offspring... (I thought I'd made that clear almost sixty pages ago). It's pretty obvious you didn't actually read my info on Sickle cell or Colorblindness...(and where you think I said malaria is a Human mutation is beyond me :roll:) They can be interpreted as beneficial mutations because malaria cannot attach to sickle cells (and before quinine, malaria was more or less a death sentence) True B/W colorblindness helps (sometimes) by increasing contrast so (some people) can see better under low light conditions, y'know so you can hunt at night, while your prey is sleeping?? And in sequence: 5. He lied to the IRS, he applied for bankruptcy, it was then found that he had over a million in earnings he had not reported...honest kinda guy isn't he? 6. (And I won't even go into the great extinction of 65 million years ago) i) Dinosaurs are buried several (often dozens) meters below anything that can be considered modern. ii) Dinosaur remains have mineralized (via a process too complex to explain in detail here, look it up yourself if you feel like it Jahath) A process taking millions of years. All proto-human remains are still bone or bone fragment, making them far younger. iii) Lack of evidence (I should have thought this was obvious { representations of Quetzcotl are a mythical being more akin to a snake, not any land dwelling dinosaur yet discovered so the whole mayan thing is kinda iffy} :roll: ) 7. Well let me ask you this. Let’s say there is a scientific theory that you find credible (shocking I know) but then you find out that the number one proponent of this theory has no real evidence, and other scientists that have similar ideals distance themselves from him because of his refusal to listen to reason. How are you going to feel about that theory then? 8. I will explain this as slowly as I can. "If...you...don't follow..the...rules...of...the...system (still here Jahath?)...your...results...are...not...valid...according...to...that...system. 9. Scientific theories (not laws) demand that a real theory be potentially falsifiable (until it is made law) i.e. until a theory is made law, there must be some way scientifically to prove it false (for evolution you would have to prove that disseparate animals do not have common ancestors in each and every case) And yes I can. Evolution's hypothesis is that creatures change over time, adapting to better suit their environment. This can be shown in several examples (Darwin's Finches, cockroaches, dogs...) we have reliable evidence to support this theory i.e. genetics (different species in the same genus have very similar DNA, pointing to a common ancestor in most cases) and is further backed up by computer models ( www.don-lindsay-archive.org has some nice ones, particularly the evolution of the eye) And thanks for helping me out AsmodaariBaal 8)

Yes yes yes, pleasant cool snow... The goddess' back grew a little wet from her own warmth melting the bed of snow she was on. When suddenly, she was very much reminded of exactly how soft snow is as she was compressed into it. She tightened her stomach to help keep the weight off of her and pushed her paws towards the offending source. It had to be another god, since no others could survive here. A mortal would face her immediate wrath, but she was slower to anger at another god. At least, not without knowing what their domain was. Din-tei rolled to her side and then sat up immediately as she sized up the guilty party. A particularly fluffy baby blue god stood before her, giggling like a little cub. The dark goddess quirked a brow at him as she briefly shook off the snow from her coat, giving him a disapproving frown.

"Maybe you should watch where you're going next time, especially in the god's haven." She could understand a mortal being so foolish, but another god being so careless? Besides, it wasn't exactly like she blended in with the snow around here- you'd have to be blind to miss how her purple coat clashed with the white around her. "Who are you?" she asked flatly.

Din's mouth drew tight as she cast a judgmental stare at the lion before her. "What exactly is so funny?" she demanded, not removing her eyes from him. He was clearly finding the entire situation more amusing than her. Then again, she'd probably find it more amusing, too, if she had been the one to step on someone else. Still, he had no place laughing at a fellow god so... uncontrollably. She rubbed her chest lightly where the god had stepped on her, still glaring at him.

"Iiro... I've never heard of you." Must be some small domain, she thought, that wasn't really worth her time. Perhaps she'd heard of him before, but he was so insignificant before that he was a stranger to her now. "What are you, then?" she asked, hoping his domain would tell her his identity.

The goddess lowered her eyebrows in frustration. He was a blue annoying pain. She guessed she got along with gods who were made of tougher stuff better. "That must be a frustrating domain- can you complete thoughts with all of that laughter?" She asked, not honestly sure of that answer herself.

"My domain doesn't have a visible physical form, so why should it be easy to tell what I am?" she asked. "I am Gravity," she said simply, readjusting her wings by her sides- a feather was out of place. She flicked her tail in annoyance, and wondered if it would be terribly bad for her to make an enemy of laughter. She supposed being damned to eternal laughter would be bad, though- best to at least make a better attempt to cover up her dismay.

Din remained unamused- she stared at him somewhat blankly. "Yes, the..." she cleared her throat for a moment, "stuff that holds you down. Too bad it's not effective enough," she muttered the last sentence to herself. If only her domain let her force down another's spirits- they would be able to have a normal and civil conversation rather than a one-way laugh-fest. She sighed, pondering either what she should do- or how to escape, should she not find something to do.

Then a thought occurred to her. No, not all laughter was annoying. Some was amusing, or got you fired up. She was glad she had thought of this- it would possibly make the encounter not a total waste. Yes, he was just doing it wrong!

"Iiro, let me ask you something... If you're laughter, you must be able to laugh maniacally," she stated, giving him an expectant look. She wondered if he could just shift types of laughter- it was his domain, right?

Din was actually getting excited. Really, it was hard for most, she thought, to laugh maniacally without having just done something, or else without having someone else to start the laugh. Yes, apparently this hadn't been a complete waste! She chuckled before saying, "Maniacal laughter is, without doubt, my favorite." She couldn't help it at this point- she really did love to laugh maniacally and life provided so few opportunities to do so- she would be a fool to pass it up. "Heh heh heh... BWA HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!" She laughed hard, up as tall as she could be on her feet and wings spread wide with an occasional flap, teeth bared in laughter. "Heh heh heh..." She let it trail off then caught her breath quickly, a satiated grin on her face.

It was, perhaps, a good thing she had found something they could discuss- death by laughing sounds dreadful. She always hoped that in the past she'd gone out in some brilliant way- usually she hoped for a fight.

"What can I do?" Which power should she showcase? "There are many things gravity can do, but why tell when I can show you?" She had a number of abilities, not all were good to use on someone else. She decided on which one to use- there was plenty of snow around. She sat and folded her wings by her side, curling her tail around her paws- she wanted it to be obvious that it was her power she was using, not a trick like what the mortals would do. Some of the snow started to rise into the air around her- she had picked out three chunks that got packed into little balls due to melting and refreezing. They rose a foot above the ground before she tossed them into the distance behind them, not moving a single muscle, a small contented smirk on her face. Her power was slightly drained, but she was happy to feel it. To her, this was what set them apart from the mortals- those lesser beings down the mountain. She was glad for it- what a miserable life that would be.

The dark goddess was glad to show off her powers, always. To anyone, anytime. While she did not rely on or need it, she did appreciate being worshipped and admired. She was full of the faith that fed gods- no one could deny gravity's existence; it was not a necessity for her to show off.

Din was quite pleased with the way this had turned out, actually. While the encounter had begun most annoyingly for the lioness, she had found that laughter was actually an important part of her life. "You know Laughter," she said, "You're more important than I would have thought in an entire lifetime." Her face held a smile. She could come to appreciate other gods, muuuuuch easier than with mortals.

"I think it's time for me to go," she said as things quieted down. "Nice to meet you, Iiro," the dark lioness said before she padded off through the snow of one of her favorite places You never truly knew what to expect here, even if it seemed monotonous. When she reached a cliff, she leapt into the air, spreading her wings after freefall for a few moments and swooping off in the last known location of her familiar. Time to practice some maniacal laughter on the mortal plane...