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 Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 8:52 pm
My current path:
I am currently a pagan/catholic (don't ask me how it works but it does). I follow christian values and I follow the wiccan rede, believe (to an extent) in magic, and believe that everything is connected. I believe in christ and I also believe he taught LOVE.
I view the triple goddess (although it's not a wiccan concept it's still a comforting one) as aspects of each of ourselves and a part of the All (who I tend to view as the christian god, since the Christian god is omnipotent). To me the All is all encompassing, darkness and light, the human life cycle, vibrant health and wasting disease ect ect.
I pray to him/her (gender's become interchangeable to me) mostly for guidance and ask for help whether it be wisdom, protection ect ect
I focus on the idea of maiden mother and crone, because she is an expression of ourselves. She (to me) is part of the All so in reality, still part of God. Really, Maiden, Mother and Crone are just ways that things can be broken down (in terms of what I'm asking for). So I'm somewhere between a catholic and a pagan. neutral
If I were to practice witchcraft, it would be to become closer to God.
Wow, that's confusing. neutral
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 8:58 pm
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 9:30 pm
I moved it for you wink
lol, that was quick! Keep reading and keep writing things out (that always helps me think things through).
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:06 pm
Have you researched Hoodoo at all?
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:42 pm
I get what you mean by Pagan Catholic. I go by Gentile Christian myself since my religion's mythos is influenced by Gentile thought, specifically Platonic and Greek thought, YHVH isn't my God, and I'm not bound by Mosaic Law. Hell there was even a copy of Plato's "Republic" found among the Nag Hammadi Library and "Exegesis of the Soul" quotes the "Odyssey" as scripture right along with various Hebrew texts.
I don't any disrespect but I don't see what makes your path pagan? Eclectic yes but all the things you describe fit into the Christian framework. Magic is allowable within Christianity. "An it harm none," clause works within Christianity quite nicely. You believe in Christ and his message of Love.
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 4:53 pm
rmcdra I get what you mean by Pagan Catholic. I go by Gentile Christian myself since my religion's mythos is influenced by Gentile thought, specifically Platonic and Greek thought, YHVH isn't my God, and I'm not bound by Mosaic Law. Hell there was even a copy of Plato's "Republic" found among the Nag Hammadi Library and "Exegesis of the Soul" quotes the "Odyssey" as scripture right along with various Hebrew texts. I don't any disrespect but I don't see what makes your path pagan? Eclectic yes but all the things you describe fit into the Christian framework. Magic is allowable within Christianity. "An it harm none," clause works within Christianity quite nicely. You believe in Christ and his message of Love. That's changed again, god this is confusing. I believe that there's a possiblity he existed....but I don't think YHWH is my thing. I follow christian values because they are good ones, but I've never been that close to begin with...just defended it when idiots misdefined it. The All, to me, may ore may not be YHWH but I pray to it as female, and when I am having some trouble prayer just flows into my mind (and I use the maiden, mother and crone thing for that). That's really never happened with christianity. Mebbe this can explain better: Ecletic (possibly pagan), somewhere between christianity, agnosticism, duotheism and monotheism. I know it's weird. I believe in the concept of the All, and when I pray I personify it as female. I also tend to use the Triple Goddess idea as a template to better understand myself and the All. I follow the wiccan rede, believe in the law of threefold, specifically whatever you do affects you spiritually, emotionally and physically and I follow most christian values (******** the gay thing). I've become interested in witchcraft (not gonna be practicing until I get more info/learn)as yet another way to understand our world. I believe in magic to an extent (no I don't think anyone can throw refrigerators with their minds). I believe everything is connected (example: my friends met my other friends online, who met their friends who in turn had met our other other friends on a separate occasion, everything's a huge circle).
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 4:56 pm
Sanguina Cruenta I moved it for you wink lol, that was quick! Keep reading and keep writing things out (that always helps me think things through). hehe! It's changed yet again though. YHWH is not really someone I've ever been close to, rather, when I'm in trouble I start speaking olde english in my head and I just ask for wisdom from the crone ect ect. So weird....never happened with christianity. I believe in the concept of the All, and when I pray I personify it as female. I also tend to use the Triple Goddess idea as a template to better understand myself and the All. I follow the wiccan rede, believe in the law of threefold, specifically whatever you do affects you spiritually, emotionally and physically and I follow most christian values (******** the gay thing). I believe in magic to an extent. I believe everything is connected.
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 4:58 pm
Okay, so what are these "Christian Values" that you follow? Are they specific to Christianity? And why do you follow them, if you aren't a Christian?
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 5:05 pm
Sanguina Cruenta Okay, so what are these "Christian Values" that you follow? Are they specific to Christianity? And why do you follow them, if you aren't a Christian? Because they are helpful to just being happy. I mean they are good morals to follow (for the most part, STUPID GAY THING) Mostly not doing stupid s**t like sex before marriage, keeping oneself at least semi-non perverted (can't think of any others). I don't know if they're really solely christian *was always taught they were* I STILL have no idea which diety I'm worshipping. D: WTF? >.< Lately I've been speaking olde english in my head for some reason. Like I'm having some problems or just in need of guidance and in my head a prayer will come up, either to the aspect of the maiden, mother or crone.
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 5:29 pm
Midnight Magyk Because they are helpful to just being happy. I mean they are good morals to follow (for the most part, STUPID GAY THING) Mostly not doing stupid s**t like sex before marriage, keeping oneself at least semi-non perverted (can't think of any others). I don't know if they're really solely christian *was always taught they were* Why is sex before marriage stupid? What counts as perversion? Quote: I STILL have no idea which diety I'm worshipping. D: WTF? >.< Lately I've been speaking olde english in my head for some reason. Like I'm having some problems or just in need of guidance and in my head a prayer will come up, either to the aspect of the maiden, mother or crone. Old English is not the same as Shakespearean English. Old English is the name of the language spoken by the Anglo-Saxons. Example of Old English, from the beginning of Beowulf: oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena þreatum, monegum mægþum meodosetla ofteah, egsode eorlas, syððanærest wearð feasceaft funden; Middle English, from Chaucer: Whan that Aprill, with his shoures soote The droghte of March hath perced to the roote And bathed every veyne in swich licour, Of which vertu engendred is the flour; Now if you're speaking Old English, that's quite impressive and I'd recommend looking into Anglo-Saxon deities. Shakespearean English I'd say is a falling back on more ritualistic language. You want the interaction to be "special", so you use language that is "special". A lot of people do it. I mean do you lot still use Latin in Catholicism or has that fallen out of favour?
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:13 pm
Sanguina Cruenta Midnight Magyk Because they are helpful to just being happy. I mean they are good morals to follow (for the most part, STUPID GAY THING) Mostly not doing stupid s**t like sex before marriage, keeping oneself at least semi-non perverted (can't think of any others). I don't know if they're really solely christian *was always taught they were* Why is sex before marriage stupid? What counts as perversion? Quote: I STILL have no idea which diety I'm worshipping. D: WTF? >.< Lately I've been speaking olde english in my head for some reason. Like I'm having some problems or just in need of guidance and in my head a prayer will come up, either to the aspect of the maiden, mother or crone. Old English is not the same as Shakespearean English. Old English is the name of the language spoken by the Anglo-Saxons. Example of Old English, from the beginning of Beowulf: oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena þreatum, monegum mægþum meodosetla ofteah, egsode eorlas, syððanærest wearð feasceaft funden; Middle English, from Chaucer: Whan that Aprill, with his shoures soote The droghte of March hath perced to the roote And bathed every veyne in swich licour, Of which vertu engendred is the flour; Now if you're speaking Old English, that's quite impressive and I'd recommend looking into Anglo-Saxon deities. Shakespearean English I'd say is a falling back on more ritualistic language. You want the interaction to be "special", so you use language that is "special". A lot of people do it. I mean do you lot still use Latin in Catholicism or has that fallen out of favour? 1. The sex before marriage, mostly because the people I know screwing their brains out, usually can't be bothered with the repercussions. Pretty much sex without consequences. The world doesn't work like that. 2. Perversion is pretty much all these perverted jokes I make (really, it gets annoying even in my head after a while). And I think a goddess would be annoyed by it too. And in a way it kinda degrades people and that's kinda harming them. 3. It was actually shakespearean. Sorry for not knowing, but the REALLY odd thing about it, was because I'd do it involuntarily. The beginning words to a prayer would drift into my head and then I'd have this whole thing with the thees and thous going on. It'd just start and I'd finish it. 4. Latin in Catholicism is ok, but the pope said that churches cannot solely practice in Latin, the ritual needs to be available to the public. The people I know that condemn any language besides latin for mass are the Rite of St. Mary's. They say that anything taught in another language is a lie and not the true mass...EVEN THOUGH Jesus taught in Aremaic. So they just invalidated his teachings right there and at the same time are catholic....what the ********? This makes no sense to me...lol.
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:45 pm
Irresponable sex isn't the same as premarrital sex. I'm 25 and have been dating the same guy for 3 years. I don't intend to get married but I don't see an issue with sleeping together, and we're as safe as it's possible to be. One of the most stable couple I know never botheres with marriage and are raising thier son rather well.
On the flip side. I've known someone to make very bad choices about the consequenses of sex even when married. When your husband is a lazy lowlife and you'r unemployed, living with your mother, physically unsuited to pregnancy, and already trying to raise two kids you can't support, does screwing like rabbits without protection sound like a great idea to you? Especially when it seems he was sleeping with several other people when you met?
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:47 pm
Midnight Magyk 1. The sex before marriage, mostly because the people I know screwing their brains out, usually can't be bothered with the repercussions. Pretty much sex without consequences. The world doesn't work like that. Sex before marriage doesn't automatically mean people aren't responsible, or that they're "screwing their brains out". You know irresponsible people, but not everyone is irresponsible. Not everyone even wants to get married wink Nor are married people necessarily responsible about sex. What is it about the institution of marriage that changes sex? Quote: 2. Perversion is pretty much all these perverted jokes I make (really, it gets annoying even in my head after a while). And I think a goddess would be annoyed by it too. And in a way it kinda degrades people and that's kinda harming them. I'm still not really sure what you mean by "perverted". Quote: 3. It was actually shakespearean. Sorry for not knowing, but the REALLY odd thing about it, was because I'd do it involuntarily. The beginning words to a prayer would drift into my head and then I'd have this whole thing with the thees and thous going on. It'd just start and I'd finish it. It may be what you're familiar with. The KJV has a lot in the way of thees and thous and foreasmuches, though I'm not sure about the Catholic bible. Make sure you get those thees and thous right, though, it drives me mad when people use them wrong. It's bloody "thou dost" not "thee doth"! Quote: 4. Latin in Catholicism is ok, but the pope said that churches cannot solely practice in Latin, the ritual needs to be available to the public. The people I know that condemn any language besides latin for mass are the Rite of St. Mary's. They say that anything taught in another language is a lie and not the true mass...EVEN THOUGH Jesus taught in Aremaic. So they just invalidated his teachings right there and at the same time are catholic....what the ********? This makes no sense to me...lol. I'm not sure why the Catholic church saw the need to rid themselves of their ritual language. It doesn't really make sense to me, as Latin isn't all THAT hard to learn to start with and the whole point was that the Priest was meant to translate for you anyway. I mean, people died for Latin Mass. Although, they can't pronounce it properly which just annoys me. C'mon, people, Vs are pronounces as Ws! Don't give me this "venny viddy veechee" crap.
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:08 pm
Sanguina Cruenta Midnight Magyk 1. The sex before marriage, mostly because the people I know screwing their brains out, usually can't be bothered with the repercussions. Pretty much sex without consequences. The world doesn't work like that. Sex before marriage doesn't automatically mean people aren't responsible, or that they're "screwing their brains out". You know irresponsible people, but not everyone is irresponsible. Not everyone even wants to get married wink Nor are married people necessarily responsible about sex. What is it about the institution of marriage that changes sex? Quote: 2. Perversion is pretty much all these perverted jokes I make (really, it gets annoying even in my head after a while). And I think a goddess would be annoyed by it too. And in a way it kinda degrades people and that's kinda harming them. I'm still not really sure what you mean by "perverted". Quote: 3. It was actually shakespearean. Sorry for not knowing, but the REALLY odd thing about it, was because I'd do it involuntarily. The beginning words to a prayer would drift into my head and then I'd have this whole thing with the thees and thous going on. It'd just start and I'd finish it. It may be what you're familiar with. The KJV has a lot in the way of thees and thous and foreasmuches, though I'm not sure about the Catholic bible. Make sure you get those thees and thous right, though, it drives me mad when people use them wrong. It's bloody "thou dost" not "thee doth"! Quote: 4. Latin in Catholicism is ok, but the pope said that churches cannot solely practice in Latin, the ritual needs to be available to the public. The people I know that condemn any language besides latin for mass are the Rite of St. Mary's. They say that anything taught in another language is a lie and not the true mass...EVEN THOUGH Jesus taught in Aremaic. So they just invalidated his teachings right there and at the same time are catholic....what the ********? This makes no sense to me...lol. I'm not sure why the Catholic church saw the need to rid themselves of their ritual language. It doesn't really make sense to me, as Latin isn't all THAT hard to learn to start with and the whole point was that the Priest was meant to translate for you anyway. I mean, people died for Latin Mass. Although, they can't pronounce it properly which just annoys me. C'mon, people, Vs are pronounces as Ws! Don't give me this "venny viddy veechee" crap. 1. I think it's just that if you're married and you have a kid it's not such a devastation, I mean kids can ruin people's lives, but if you're married then you probably also have a stable relationship...wow, I sound bigoted. Way to go. sweatdrop I do know people who are responsible about it, but at the same time I know others who are pretty much playing with things they don't understand. They know the risk and don't care. 2. I can turn things into things people never want to eat again. I mean a friend once said "french fry" and I had this look of horror on my face. She asked me why and she was all "she's taken my innocence!". And numbers are perverted too. wink 3. Not really, I have a pretty new understandable bible. This is also something that's never happened with christianity. 4. I really don't know either...maybe people got lazy? 5. Can I use you as a reference for sites I come across (about paganism/wicca ect ect)? I really have a problem trusting the internet since I got SO MUCH corroborated misinformation about wicca. Here's the link.
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:41 pm
Midnight Magyk 1. I think it's just that if you're married and you have a kid it's not such a devastation, I mean kids can ruin people's lives, but if you're married then you probably also have a stable relationship...wow, I sound bigoted. Way to go. sweatdrop I do know people who are responsible about it, but at the same time I know others who are pretty much playing with things they don't understand. They know the risk and don't care. Yeah, but you're really young. People around your age having sex are less likely to be responsible about it. wink Quote: 3. Not really, I have a pretty new understandable bible. This is also something that's never happened with christianity. I'm not really sure how relevant that is. Quote: 5. Can I use you as a reference for sites I come across (about paganism/wicca ect ect)? I really have a problem trusting the internet since I got SO MUCH corroborated misinformation about wicca. Here's the link. I wouldn't say "use me as a reference" but you can certainly post any websites you find for our input. That site annoys me just to begin with because the author is somehow not capable of switching a date by six months. This person mixes a lot of quite different things into single holidays, which is also really irritating. "Litha is the ime of the Heiros Gamos, the sacred Marriage of the Goddess and God." Litha, if it's anything, is a Germanic festival and Heiros Gamos is Greek, but refers to ritual sex in which the participants play the roles of gods. It's just.... clearly not grounded in any one religion, culture or tradition and yet the writer is speaking as if it is. It's bizarre. It's a store, and I don't really recommend sites that are first and foremost stores unless stores are what you're looking for wink Whooo, it's been a while since I recommended this place! but you can find some very basic introductory information, particularly about sabbats, at Pagan Library.
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