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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:10 pm


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 2:38 pm


Religion
noun

1: a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2: a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3: the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4: the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5: the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6: something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience


Science
noun

1: a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws: the mathematical sciences.
2: systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation.
3: any of the branches of natural or physical science.


Scientific Method
noun

a method of research in which a problem is identified, relevant data are gathered, a hypothesis is formulated from these data, and the hypothesis is empirically tested.



As you can see, science is not a religion, and neither is the theory of evolution.

I can't find anybody named "Emily Jane Yozamp," but going by your username, Corinthians being in your signature, and that you listen to Skillet, I'm assuming that's you. But even if it's not, I can tell she isn't an evolutionary biologist, but someone who decided to think up a quote to impress her creationist friends.

You/she say "No one was there in the beginning to witness the becoming of life." That's true. Neither were you, so the creationists belief that a wizard made everything out of nothing in 6 days is just, if not more, questionable as the theory of evolution. The theory of evolution however does not address how life was created, as creationist misrepresent. The theory of evolution addresses why life is so diverse.

If you want to read up on evolution, feel free to read it from here, Wikipedia, or Berkeley.

You never gave a fact in your quote, except for your ignorance, so I'll give a fact. 7% of the top scientists in their fields believe in God.


And now, I have two things. Why do you support Intelligent Design as alternative to teaching evolution when it's been determined by a court case that it's not science, and the Discovery Institute, after being asked to testify under oath, pulled out of the case?


Second, if there were an "Intelligent Designer," why do we have vestigial organs? You know, like the appendix? Or our tailbone? Or actually, anything listed on this page? If all of this is the work of an "Intelligent Designer," he would've been fired from his job for giving us s**t we didn't need. Or, maybe we evolved, which is why this stuff is useless. I'll go with the latter, and not only because it's fact that we did evolve from a common ancestor with primates.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 3:55 pm


* Criteria for a Scientific Theory
To fully understand how and why evolution is scientific, it's important to first know what the generally accepted criteria for scientific theories are. Scientific theories must be:
1: Consistent (internally & externally)
2: Parsimonious (sparing in proposed entities or explanations)
3: Useful (describes & explains observed phenomena)
4: Empirically Testable & Falsifiable
5: Based upon Controlled, Repeated Experiments
6: Correctable & Dynamic (changes are made as new data is discovered)
7: Progressive (achieves all that previous theories have & more)
8: Tentative (admits that it might not be correct rather than asserting certainty)


* Evolution is Consistent
Although there are gaps in our knowledge, disagreements as to how evolution occurred, and gaps in the evidence, the idea of common descent is still overwhelmingly supported by both historical and contemporary evidence as well as our understanding of how changes occur in living organisms. All evidence we have supports evolutionary theory and common descent; absolutely no evidence points to anything else. Evolution is also externally consistent: it does not contradict solid findings in any other physical science. If evolution did contradict physics or chemistry, that would be a significant problem.

* Evolution is Parsimonious
Evolution is naturalistic and does not add unnecessary concepts, entities, or processes to our understanding of the universe. Evolution, which is just genetic change over time, does not rely upon any entities or concepts which do not otherwise exist in any scientific model. Common descent does not require us to imagine anything new or unusual in the universe. This means is the theory of evolution is the simplest and most reliable explanation of the diversity of life on our planet. Everything offered as alternatives requires us to imagine new entities not used or needed in any other scientific model, like gods.

* Evolution is Useful
Evolution is the unifying principle of the life sciences, which includes medicine. This means that much of what is done in the biological and medical sciences could not occur without the background premise of evolution. I've yet to see any Evolution Deniers willing to give up modern medicine. Evolutionary theory also suggests lots of problems for scientists to work on because it makes predictions which, in turn, provide experiments to perform in order to better understand what's going on in the natural world. Evolution thus provides an overall paradigm for solving current problems within the life sciences.

* Evolutionary Theory Can Be Tested
Because evolution as common descent is largely a historical science, testing it is complicated — but it's not impossible. As with other historical investigations, we can make predictions and retrodictions (utilize present information to infer or explain past events or states) based on the theory. We can thus state that we would expect to find certain things (like types of fossils) when looking at the historical record; if they are found, it supports the theory. We cannot perform the direct tests like those often found physics and chemistry, but the theory of evolution is as testable as other historical theories.

* Evolutionary Theory Can Be Falsified
Falsification of evolution as common descent would be complicated because of the vast amount of supporting evidence. Evolution rests upon a general and widespread pattern of evidence from many different fields, so a similar pattern of contradictory evidence is needed to falsify it. Isolated anomalies might force modifications, but no more. If we found a general pattern of fossils in rocks dated to different ages than expected, that would be a problem for evolution. If our understanding of physics and chemistry changed significantly, causing us to find that the earth is quite young, that would falsify evolution.

* Evolutionary Theory is Correctable & Dynamic
Evolution is based solely on the evidence, thus if the evidence changes so will the theory; in fact, subtle changes to aspects of evolutionary theory can be observed by anyone who regularly reads biology journals and pays attention to the scientific debates. Evolutionary theory today is not quite the same as the evolutionary theory which Charles Darwin originally devised and wrote about, though he was correct enough that much of what he discovered continues to b valid. Since there are gaps in our understanding and evidence, we can expect to see more changes in the future as our understanding expands.

* Evolutionary Theory is Progressive
The idea that a scientific theory should be progressive means that a new scientific theory should build on earlier scientific theories. In other words, a new theory must explain what previous theories explained at least as well as they did while providing a new understanding for additional material — something which evolution does. Another way to see how scientific theories need to be progressive is that they can be shown to be superior to competing theories. It should be possible to compare several explanations for a phenomenon and find that one does a much better job than the others. This is true of evolution.

* Evolution and the Scientific Method
The general theory of evolution easily meets the criteria for scientific theories. How about the scientific method: was the idea of common descent arrived at scientifically? Yes — the idea was arrived at by examining nature. Looking at existing species, examining their characteristics and commonalities, and considering how they arose led to the idea of common descent. We can see the scientific method at work at every stage of the study of evolution and the biological sciences; in contrast, we find not the scientific method but theology and religious orthodoxy behind evolution’s creationist competitors.
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Now, if what you're trying to say is scientists only have fossils to go by and can't watch evolution with their own eyes, you're wrong.
Evolution before our eyes and Karl Sims Evolved Virtual Creatures (1994).

If you really think evolution is not a science, go to your local university and talk to their biologist professors and evolutionary biologist professors, and we'll see who's wrong or not.


No, I'd love to hear why you think an intelligent designer gave us things we wouldn't need in the future. I understand the appendix had it's use before.

And my "undies" aren't "in a bunch." I just find it silly that you think the theory of evolution (that doesn't make evolution just "a theory," the Theory of Evolution is the theory of how evolution works. Kind of like the "Theory of Gravitational Pull" doesn't mean gravity is just a theory) violates the scientific method, when an overwhelming percentage of scientists accept that it is a science, not a philosophy or whatever else you want to call it.

Again, debate with an expert at your local university instead of doing the slacktivism of posting that on here.

"Evolution just has too much circular reasoning"? ID has just as much, if not more. The entire concept of God does as well. These are just by-the-ways, but I found them worth mentioning.
PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 5:42 pm


ummm... let me guess. your answer would be something along the lines of: god did it?

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