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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:49 am


One of my friends asked me this quetion some time ago:
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It seems like every book I pick up is filled with misinformation [...]. They misuse names and things like that. And even the subject matter I don't know how much I agree with anymore. [...] I don't really feel comfortable taking other cultures deities and parading them off like my own, you know? If a book has so much wrong with it, how can I take anything as good true information? And how do you tell what's right and what's not?


In short: How does one (especially someone new to witchcraft) tell a good book from a bad one?

To answer that question my coven and I have compiled this helpful list of ways to tell:


How to Tell a Good Book from a Bad One:


1.) The Author's Name: If the author feels the need to write under their craft name, then I see no reason to take them seriously. Silver Ravenwolf is a prime example, anyone that sounds like that, Willow Peacedrinker or Rainbow Awesomepants or Vampyre McBadass are all examples of what a bad book's author sounds like. Joe Normalname and Susan Straightforward are good authors, by this simplified rule of thumb.

2.) Sometimes you CAN Judge a Book by Its Cover: If a book has art that would look appropriate on a horror novel or the DaVinci's Code 2: Pagan Boogaloo, then odds are its meant to make money, and nothing more. Books with very picturesque and scenic art aren't bad. The Last Sin Eater has some sunlight filtering through some trees, that kind of thing. The best ones usually have straightforward covers. On The Crystal Bible, there are pictures of stones just scattered about. Simple (and boring) usually tends to be the key (just remember that this is not always the case).

3.) Look At their Bibliographies: Look at the bibliographies in the back of the books to see where the author got their information. If the book's sources are reliable ones then chances are the book will be reliable. If you don't know or recognize any of the titles of authors listed in the bibliography then look at then general number of sources. Usually, the more sources an author takes their information from, the more likely that information will be reliable. However, that does not mean that the author wouldn't twist the information from their sources to support their own slanted opinions and views. Everyone is guilty of bias, whether we choose to admit it or not.

4.) Research the Author: Another really good thing to do, is actually research the author a bit. Do they actually have the credentials needed to be considered experts on the subject, if it says "self-taught" and the book is about something that you know requires some sort of certification, initiation, etc... then odds are they probably aren't the best person to be learning about it from. Being self-taught in general isn't always a bad thing (especially they aren't claiming to be a part of any specific tradition or path that has specific requirements), but it's still a good idea to look into what sort of experience they have, that makes them knowledgeable enough to teach it to others.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:28 am


I think this should be posted near all the alternitive religion sections in every book store across America and the World.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:14 am


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I think this should be posted near all the alternitive religion sections in every book store across America and the World.
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Well, I don't think its all that good. But if it helps, it helps.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 3:47 am


....You should totally print it out and then slip it inside books at the bookstore. ninja

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:10 pm


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I think this should be posted near all the alternitive religion sections in every book store across America and the World.



Posting this is a fun idea, but they are simply guidelines and by following this I would have never found Starhawk, who could arguably be one of the best living Pagan authors today. I hate the thought of somebody missing out on such a wealth of wisdom.

There are exceptions to every item on this list, and having it posted or put in books would turn people away from some really terrific information.
PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 5:10 am


This post reminded me that I need to thin out my book collection again.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 3:24 pm


I used to think it was job to buy and read every book that came out on Wicca. That way I could say That I had actually read the book and could tell people first hand what I thought was wrong the books.The first thing that happened was the buying of books even used became WAY TOO much and then Unfortunately people have over the years borrowed some of best of my collection and never brought them back. It has left me with with a big collection, but not near the quality I used to have. Most of the ones that have been borrowed are irreplaceable. I used to have The Witches Bible Complete, when it was actually 2 volumes. I had Witchcraft Today, by Gardner in hardback. I still have To Ride Silver Broomstick though, ugh. I should thin out mine too, but I know I won't.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:30 am


Good books do have a tendency of disappearing. I started doing like a library check out system with mine. I have the name of the person I lent which book too, and if it isn't back in 3 months I start nagging about it.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:36 pm


Having recently read the "Spiral Dance", I think this absolutely applies to Starhawk. I thought she was worse than Ravenwolf (in fact, it was pretty obvious reading it that some of Ravenwolf's more irritating offences were gleaned from The Spiral Dance). Honestly, the sexism and religious bigotry are enough to turn me off without the hubris, the inaccuracies, and the ethical concerns.
PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 10:14 am





I think one of the guild crew should make this into a Sticky.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:43 am


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I think one of the guild crew should make this into a Sticky.


I second this notion, though I'm not too sure if the crew is still active within the guild.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:45 am


MercyWild
Good books do have a tendency of disappearing. I started doing like a library check out system with mine. I have the name of the person I lent which book too, and if it isn't back in 3 months I start nagging about it.


I have the same system. Luckily, I have an account on Shelfari and since it keeps a virtual record of my library, I'm able to check a little box that says "loaned" and put in the name of the person who I loaned the item to, including information on the date the book was loaned and the condition of the book. The worst thing about lending a book to someone is getting it back super late and then finding it all torn and tattered.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:46 am


Thorns and Spices
Having recently read the "Spiral Dance", I think this absolutely applies to Starhawk. I thought she was worse than Ravenwolf (in fact, it was pretty obvious reading it that some of Ravenwolf's more irritating offences were gleaned from The Spiral Dance). Honestly, the sexism and religious bigotry are enough to turn me off without the hubris, the inaccuracies, and the ethical concerns.


In terms of sexism, what portion of the book in particular did you not like about The Spiral Dance? Or rather, what was the breaking point where you decided that it was not a good book?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:14 am


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Having recently read the "Spiral Dance", I think this absolutely applies to Starhawk. I thought she was worse than Ravenwolf (in fact, it was pretty obvious reading it that some of Ravenwolf's more irritating offences were gleaned from The Spiral Dance). Honestly, the sexism and religious bigotry are enough to turn me off without the hubris, the inaccuracies, and the ethical concerns.


In terms of sexism, what portion of the book in particular did you not like about The Spiral Dance? Or rather, what was the breaking point where you decided that it was not a good book?


I started out thinking it was not a good book, when she made up a huge hunk of false history, and then in her notes, admitted that not only had she made it up, but that that was okay. The rest of the book was essentially downhill from there (although the chapter on trancework was of a lot better quality). So it was sort of after reading the Introductions and starting on the first chapter, I began with the impression it was a bad book, but continued reading, trying to give it the benefit of the doubt, because so many people had spoken highly of it, and I'd heard the exercises were good. And many of the exercises are quite good, as is, as I mentioned, the chapter on trances, but they're not worth reading the rest of the book for.

But specifically in terms of sexism, the last chapter in particular was pretty horrific, both against men and women. As a whole the book just piles on little bit after little bit, but the last chapter made me lose what respect I had left for her for a variety of reasons, the sexism one of them. The chapter on her god, too, was really awfully sexist. When your chapter about your god spends more time complaining about "the patriarchy" than actually discussing your god you know you have problems.

A few things in particular throughout the book annoyed me... implying men must have a "womb centre" as if men were spiritually women deep down, or that wombs were necessary, or that men should have spiritual centres in the same place as women as a matter of course. Men have to surrender emotionally and worship at the female pudenda, but women aren't allowed to enjoy BDSM if that's what they're into (because any sort of violence or bondage in sex is bad according to Starhawk). Women who don't sleep with men have "special magicalness" - I'm not even sure what this is meant to imply, but I know I don't like it.

She keeps up this implication throughout that all men are inherently violent rapists or something, which I resent. There's also a strong implication throughout that men are lesser spiritual beings that have to strive harder to connect with goddesses, which I also resent. Example: "he may chase Her forever, and She will elude him, but through the attempt he will grow, until he too learns to find Her within." Seriously?

She renames St John's Wort, because she thinks the name "St John the Conqueror" was overly militaristic and "masculinist", as if there is something inherently wrong with masculinity. She renames it "St Joan's Wort", after a war leader. And then she changes it back to St John's Wort because no one knows which herb she's talking about.

If all the hatred against men wasn't bad enough, the anti-woman stuff is pretty horrific also. If you don't align yourself with her version of womanhood, she disapproves of you. She spends time in ritual shaming both women and men who choose to participate in or partake of pornography. (Apparently those in her ritual won't accept media that tells them to be ashamed of their own bodies, but are happy to shame others who love their bodies enough to share them.) Now I know the 70s was a brutal time for the feminist sex wars, but even so. Shaming women for choosing a different life-path? She also notes in one of her anniversary notes that she expected, in the 70s, that everyone who shared her genitalia would be someone she could trust. As if all women are incapable of lying, and all men are untrustworthy. Generalising entire genders in this way is just not acceptable. She says more than once that a virgin "belongs to no one but herself" as if by sleeping with someone, you automatically become their property. As if women can't own their own sexuality, their own bodies, their own sex lives. The text is littered with this sort of thing.

I mean, it's hard to go through and pick out individual sentences, because it's the accumulation of all of these hateful little implications that build up into the greater sexist whole. Bits like: "Our psychology is one of war between sons and fathers who eternally vie for exclusive possession of the mother, who, like all women under patriarchy, is the ultimate prize for success. " They're just scattered throughout the text, so you can't just overlook an awful chapter and settle back into enjoying the book, because she'll turn around and say something disparaging.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:14 pm


Thanks a lot for posting this! As a person who has virtually no wiccans or pagans in the area, books are often my only way to learn more about witchcraft. It's good to be sure that the books I read are credible ones, especially considering I have few other reference points.
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