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 Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:43 am
so those of us in america(usa), at least know of this "problem" and many of us are affected by this directly, if not in directly.
Here i wish for gaians to post their thoughts on this as well as constructive thoughts on what should be done about it. I have an idea or 2 about how to handle this problem however i know i'm missing some points and that is where other gaians come in. as well as posting your own ideas, you are encouraged to find fault with and provide constructive critisim of others ideas so that we can refine the ideas and find where the "leaks" are.
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Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:58 am
I have several ideas, this is one of them. granted i and probably most others may not be seeing all sides of the issue and this is why i'm posting it in the forum here.
to prevent immigrants from entering: this would include a massive construction project (probably too expensive) to lengthen and deepen the Rio grande through the length of the border.
diplomatically the US would impose sanctions and heavy imbargos(imbargo is this the right word?) on mexican products and services, pretty much Shun the country until they can get their act together, and start retaining population. (what to do about products sold in US made in mexico?) this would also include a halt on most all USA products and services bound for mexico, such as wire money transfers and parcel post and various other shipping methods. this imbargo would also restrict travel of US citizens to and from the country as well as other countries in the yucatan penninsula
the US would then legalize all illegally entered immigrants, as most want to be here and pay taxes anyways. not to mention most (at least in my area of the country) already have housing and jobs. legalization would require, that they learn and speak at least basic english
(adopting the english language as official language *i know this too is a firestorm in itself*)
What else am i missing?
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 12:43 pm
AndyX I have several ideas, this is one of them. granted i and probably most others may not be seeing all sides of the issue and this is why i'm posting it in the forum here. to prevent immigrants from entering: this would include a massive construction project (probably too expensive) to lengthen and deepen the Rio grande through the length of the border. diplomatically the US would impose sanctions and heavy imbargos(imbargo is this the right word?) on mexican products and services, pretty much Shun the country until they can get their act together, and start retaining population. (what to do about products sold in US made in mexico?) this would also include a halt on most all USA products and services bound for mexico, such as wire money transfers and parcel post and various other shipping methods. this imbargo would also restrict travel of US citizens to and from the country as well as other countries in the yucatan penninsula the US would then legalize all illegally entered immigrants, as most want to be here and pay taxes anyways. not to mention most (at least in my area of the country) already have housing and jobs. legalization would require, that they learn and speak at least basic english (adopting the english language as official language *i know this too is a firestorm in itself*) What else am i missing? Stop and Think. Why would someone want to immigrate to America?
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 1:22 pm
I have to agree with Full English. But my question first off is why do they want to pay taxes? Why would anyone want to pay taxes. I don't.
On the border alot has to do with the drug trafficking I thought and not the people. Although if you go to the towns closest to the border it is not citizens that hold the jobs but are illigeal immigrants.
There are so many people in the US that can not get a job or are hungry for lack of money. I just think jobs should go first to the citizens not to immigrants. I have some friends that are immigrants in the US and they tell me they came there for a better life.
I really could see that years ago but the US is not the best country anymore.
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 1:44 pm
Some immigrants from poorer countries come here for work but then they send the money back "home" to their families. While this seems like an ok plan, all that money leaving the 'States is what bleeds our economy to death and makes our lives harder since we now have a high basic cost of living and no jobs to pay for it since the immigrants have taken them. The Full English AndyX I have several ideas, this is one of them. granted i and probably most others may not be seeing all sides of the issue and this is why i'm posting it in the forum here. to prevent immigrants from entering: this would include a massive construction project (probably too expensive) to lengthen and deepen the Rio grande through the length of the border. diplomatically the US would impose sanctions and heavy imbargos(imbargo is this the right word?) on mexican products and services, pretty much Shun the country until they can get their act together, and start retaining population. (what to do about products sold in US made in mexico?) this would also include a halt on most all USA products and services bound for mexico, such as wire money transfers and parcel post and various other shipping methods. this imbargo would also restrict travel of US citizens to and from the country as well as other countries in the yucatan penninsula the US would then legalize all illegally entered immigrants, as most want to be here and pay taxes anyways. not to mention most (at least in my area of the country) already have housing and jobs. legalization would require, that they learn and speak at least basic english (adopting the english language as official language *i know this too is a firestorm in itself*) What else am i missing? Stop and Think. Why would someone want to immigrate to America?
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:38 pm
xena91388 Some immigrants from poorer countries come here for work but then they send the money back "home" to their families. While this seems like an ok plan, all that money leaving the 'States is what bleeds our economy to death and makes our lives harder since we now have a high basic cost of living and no jobs to pay for it since the immigrants have taken them. The Full English AndyX I have several ideas, this is one of them. granted i and probably most others may not be seeing all sides of the issue and this is why i'm posting it in the forum here. to prevent immigrants from entering: this would include a massive construction project (probably too expensive) to lengthen and deepen the Rio grande through the length of the border. diplomatically the US would impose sanctions and heavy imbargos(imbargo is this the right word?) on mexican products and services, pretty much Shun the country until they can get their act together, and start retaining population. (what to do about products sold in US made in mexico?) this would also include a halt on most all USA products and services bound for mexico, such as wire money transfers and parcel post and various other shipping methods. this imbargo would also restrict travel of US citizens to and from the country as well as other countries in the yucatan penninsula the US would then legalize all illegally entered immigrants, as most want to be here and pay taxes anyways. not to mention most (at least in my area of the country) already have housing and jobs. legalization would require, that they learn and speak at least basic english (adopting the english language as official language *i know this too is a firestorm in itself*) What else am i missing? Stop and Think. Why would someone want to immigrate to America? how does America make money? Exporting goods and service to other country maybe?
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 2:20 pm
Wrong! It's the other way around! Right now our import exceeds our export (thnx to Walmart and Dollar-Gen) and some countries (Like China - true fact) have bans on American products. Especially the good stuff like cars, jeans, and American made electronics. All America provides to other countries are jobs. It's cheaper for a company to establish itself in China or Mexico and pay it's employees $1 a day and disregard safety standards than it is to hire Americans. Go to any Walmart store and go to the Customer Service counter. They should have a bulletin of recalled products, look at those companies and you will find they are all Distributed by American companies but made in China. But that has nothing to do with illegal immigration which is what this topic is all about. The Full English xena91388 Some immigrants from poorer countries come here for work but then they send the money back "home" to their families. While this seems like an ok plan, all that money leaving the 'States is what bleeds our economy to death and makes our lives harder since we now have a high basic cost of living and no jobs to pay for it since the immigrants have taken them. The Full English AndyX I have several ideas, this is one of them. granted i and probably most others may not be seeing all sides of the issue and this is why i'm posting it in the forum here. to prevent immigrants from entering: this would include a massive construction project (probably too expensive) to lengthen and deepen the Rio grande through the length of the border. diplomatically the US would impose sanctions and heavy imbargos(imbargo is this the right word?) on mexican products and services, pretty much Shun the country until they can get their act together, and start retaining population. (what to do about products sold in US made in mexico?) this would also include a halt on most all USA products and services bound for mexico, such as wire money transfers and parcel post and various other shipping methods. this imbargo would also restrict travel of US citizens to and from the country as well as other countries in the yucatan penninsula the US would then legalize all illegally entered immigrants, as most want to be here and pay taxes anyways. not to mention most (at least in my area of the country) already have housing and jobs. legalization would require, that they learn and speak at least basic english (adopting the english language as official language *i know this too is a firestorm in itself*) What else am i missing? Stop and Think. Why would someone want to immigrate to America? how does America make money? Exporting goods and service to other country maybe?
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:09 pm
xena91388 Wrong! It's the other way around! Right now our import exceeds our export (thnx to Walmart and Dollar-Gen) and some countries (Like China - true fact) have bans on American products. Especially the good stuff like cars, jeans, and American made electronics. All America provides to other countries are jobs. It's cheaper for a company to establish itself in China or Mexico and pay it's employees $1 a day and disregard safety standards than it is to hire Americans. Go to any Walmart store and go to the Customer Service counter. They should have a bulletin of recalled products, look at those companies and you will find they are all Distributed by American companies but made in China. But that has nothing to do with illegal immigration which is what this topic is all about. The Full English xena91388 Some immigrants from poorer countries come here for work but then they send the money back "home" to their families. While this seems like an ok plan, all that money leaving the 'States is what bleeds our economy to death and makes our lives harder since we now have a high basic cost of living and no jobs to pay for it since the immigrants have taken them. The Full English AndyX I have several ideas, this is one of them. granted i and probably most others may not be seeing all sides of the issue and this is why i'm posting it in the forum here. to prevent immigrants from entering: this would include a massive construction project (probably too expensive) to lengthen and deepen the Rio grande through the length of the border. diplomatically the US would impose sanctions and heavy imbargos(imbargo is this the right word?) on mexican products and services, pretty much Shun the country until they can get their act together, and start retaining population. (what to do about products sold in US made in mexico?) this would also include a halt on most all USA products and services bound for mexico, such as wire money transfers and parcel post and various other shipping methods. this imbargo would also restrict travel of US citizens to and from the country as well as other countries in the yucatan penninsula the US would then legalize all illegally entered immigrants, as most want to be here and pay taxes anyways. not to mention most (at least in my area of the country) already have housing and jobs. legalization would require, that they learn and speak at least basic english (adopting the english language as official language *i know this too is a firestorm in itself*) What else am i missing? Stop and Think. Why would someone want to immigrate to America? how does America make money? Exporting goods and service to other country maybe? All is see in your comment is the normal American isolationism, so I know anything I put now will not add to the discussion.
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 12:28 am
Of course not, you're prior comment distracts from the topic of illegal immigration. You asked AndyX why he thinks people would want to move to US and yet you haven't told us your theory and even threw a red herring into the fold by making a comment about America's exports which is not the topic being discussed. Legal immigrants add to our nation. Illegal immigrants kill it. They do not pay taxes, they are not on public records/documented, and they find jobs that pay under the table to avoid INS. What does this mean? They do not pay taxes which means the money is not circulating and distributing like it should, this is like having a cut in your artery. They are not on public records/documented, which means if they commit a crime the police will have a hell of a time finding them even with a name and face. They are payed under the table, which means there is no proof of income and if one of them gets a part time min-wage job they could be making well over a thousand dollars a week (not paying income tax remember) and qualify for financial support/food stamps. and then there is that fact I mentioned earlier about sending money out of the country. The Full English All is see in your comment is the normal American isolationism, so I know anything I put now will not add to the discussion.
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 5:33 am
My family immigrated from Mexico three generations ago. But back then becoming a legal citizen was a lot easier than it is now. I'm not for illegal immigrants-but I also think we need to realize that immigrants (both legal and illegal) can't be stopped. It's part of what America has become. We were a "Melting Pot" for a reason-and the reputation that we're so much better hasn't dissipated from the poorer countries' mind.
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 5:46 am
I do have a question for Full English. Have you ever been to the United States?
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