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sir dark light

PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:48 pm


Does anyone else believe in parallel universes?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:01 am


I've never really looked into exactly what a parallel universe is. I once heard someone define it as this:
Every time a decision is made or something happens, the world splits off into a number of parallel universes: one for each possible decision/occurence.
Is that what you mean?

so retarded
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Comrade Nicholas
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:20 pm


I believe in them.

Just think about it, in another universe we could be living in a futuristic, interstellar, Utopian society. Or, we could have destroyed ourselves after we began creating nuclear arms.

Hitler could have taken over the world..
America could still stand for freedom and liberty...

But.. alas.. we will never know for sure.

Ponder this, our universe is the way it is because of our decisions in a different universe.. and vice-versa.

I'm dead in another universe..

Parallel Universes
PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 10:37 am


Doesn't the existance of parallel universes depend on free will?

so retarded
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Comrade Nicholas
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 3:09 pm


I suppose free will has something to do with it.. but all conscious living creatures have free will, for the most part.

A fly landing on you instead of landing on me would create a parallel universe.

I wonder if non-living things effect it though.. would an asteroid striking one planet instead of another cause a parallel universe in which it hit Earth instead of.. say Jupiter?
PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 7:24 am


Comrade Nicholas
I suppose free will has something to do with it.. but all conscious living creatures have free will, for the most part.

A fly landing on you instead of landing on me would create a parallel universe.

I wonder if non-living things effect it though.. would an asteroid striking one planet instead of another cause a parallel universe in which it hit Earth instead of.. say Jupiter?

Well... I think the answer is no. The reason an asteroid strikes one planet instead of another is due to a series of events leading up to the actual occurrence.

Every effect can be traced back to a cause. That cause can be traced back to a prior cause. This can be traced back to the Big Bang. (The real causality question here is what caused the Big Bang?)

I tend to think that this is the same way with any human decision. Every time we act, every single thought we have, is influenced by a previous act or thought.

This is why I have a hard time accepting that we have free will...

And if you don't accept free will, then you can't accept that a fly could possibly land on me instead of you, thus creating a parallel universe.

so retarded
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Comrade Nicholas
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 10:38 am


If everything we do and think is based on a previous thought/action/experience then there's still a million possibilities for our thoughts/actions. We do learn from our experiences, and we base decisions off of them, but I don't believe that that takes away our free will. We aren't robots programmed to react a specific way forever based on one event. We have the ability to make decisions and to think about anything from any perspective.
PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 11:40 am


Ooo, a free will conversation.

In my view, if we accept a traditional understanding of time, leading to a linear cause and effect then we are always in a perpetual state of reaction to other causes. ( Our reaction in turn produces more effects, which in turn produce more causes. ) As you say, we do learn from experiences. Every experience that we have can in turn be shown to have a cause. Missed the city bus at 7:00 and so had to walk to work. Then you never would of been mugged. You missed the bus because you stayed out late last night. You stayed out late last night because a friend was in town. Etc. etc. Ultimately, assuming every effect has a cause, we can trace back our current action all the way down the time line of our life. Our first reactions were determined by our genetic makeup and so that could be considered our first cause. ( Though everything that caused our parents to make us could also be in a sense a cause. ) So in a sense, I am basically agreeing with Katty.

There are some assumptions made by the above though. ( There are probably other holes in it I'm sure. ) Linear time, cause and effect is a necessity. Also, if the quantum universe is probabilistic, such small perturbations can lead to dramatic results over the years, through chaos theory and the butterfly effect. ( Also a probabilistic quantum universe could lead to the parallel universes on its own. Little, cute, decision making electrons. )

Does such a cause and effect model degrade in any way living action? We still have to react, and have the ability to generate new causes. It just so happens that our causes are caused.

Riemus

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