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Sohei Xan No Kitsune

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Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 9:30 pm

Niten ichi ryu is the japanese use of the wakazashi and the katana at once it translates into "Joining of the two Heavens." Many think they could do it but can not. Niten ichi ryu's nick name is nito. Nito is not like normal kendo and is more like sparring, because both arms are used. GUI:

Niten Ichi Ryu Musashi-Kai Kata Quick Reference
Kamae Attack to Kamae Counter to
1 Jodan Men 1. Strike Sho Men Ryoh Jodan Kotachi block, Tachi Hidari
Doh 1. Move the right foot forward, turn to the right, bring the left foot toward the right foot
2. Standing still 2. Strike the sword using Kotachi, strike Hidari Doh using Tachi
3. One step back, Gedan [Zanshin] 3. Move the right foot backward, Kotachi Seigan, Tachi Wakigamae [Zanshin]
4. Chudan 4. Move the left foot backward, Ryoh Chudan, return to the initial position
2 Chudan Hidari Kote 1. Strike down Kotachi side Kote Jodan Kotachi nuki 1. Move the left foot one step backward, pull Kotachi towards the body, nuki
2. Standing still Tachi Men 2. Move the right foot one step forward, Strike Men using Tachi
3. Standing still, Gedan [Zanshin] 3. Move the right foot backward, Kotachi Seigan, Tachi Jodan [Zanshin]
4. Chudan, return to the initial position 4. Move the left foot backward, Ryoh Chudan, return to the initial position
3 Gedan Hidari Katate 1. Chudan, Katate-Tsuki Jodan Kotachi press down 1. Turn to the left, press down using Kotachi
Tsuki 2. (Shitachi strike down) Move one step backward Tachi strike down 2. With both feet close together, strike down using Tachi, move thr right foot forwad to
Tsuki
3. Standing still, Gedan [Zanshin] and Tsuki 3. Move the right foot backward, Kotachi Seigan, Tachi Jodan [Zanshin]
4. Chudan 4. Move the left foot backward, Ryoh Chudan, return to the initial position
4 Jodan Men 1. Strike Sho Men Chudan Kotachi block 1. Move the left foot one step forward, block using Kotachi
2. Hold the Men strike posture Tachi Underside 2. At the same time, cut the underside of Hidari Kote using Tachi
3. One step back, Gedan [Zanshin] of Hidari Kote 3. Move the right foot backward, Kotachi Seigan, Tachi Wakigamae [Zanshin]
4. Chudan 4. Move the left foot backward, Ryoh Chudan, return to the initial position
5 Chudan Men 1. Strike down Sho Men Kasumu Tachi parry 1. Tachi parry
3. Standing still, Gedan Tachi Men 2. Turn to the right, strike Men using Tachi
3. Standing still [Zanshin] 3. Move the right foot backward, Kotachi Seigan, Tachi Jodan [Zanshin]
4. One step back, Chudan, return to the initial position 4. Move the left foot backward, Ryoh Chudan, return to the initial position
6 Jodan Men 1. Strike Sho Men Gedan Jyuji Kamae block 1. Jyuji Kamae , block and Tachi push up
2. Standing still Tachi push up 2. Move the right foot forward, Strike Migi Kote using Kotachi
3. Bring Kensen down, Gedan [Zanshin] Kotachi Migi Kote 3. step backward toward left diagonal, Kotachi Jodan, Tachi Chudan [Zanshin]
4. Chudan, return to the initial position 4. Ryoh Chudan, return to the initial position
7 Chudan Hidari Doh 1. Strike Hidari Doh Jodan Kotachi block 1. Twist body, pull Kotachi towards the body, block using Kotachi
2. Standing still Tachi Men 2. Move the right foot forward, Strike Men using Tachi
3. One step back, Gedan [Zanshin] 3. Move the right foot backward, Kotachi Seigan, Tachi Jodan [Zanshin]
4. Chudan 4. Move the left foot backward, Ryoh Chudan, return to the initial position
8 Jodan Men 1. Strike Sho Men Chudan Jyuji Kamae block 1. Jyuji Kamae , block and Kotachi push up
2. Standing still Kotachi push up 2. Move the right foot forward, Strike Hidari Doh using Tachi
3. One step back, Gedan [Zanshin] Tachi Hidari Doh 3. Move the right foot backward, Kotachi Seigan, Tachi Wakigamae [Zanshin]
4. Chudan 4. Move the left foot backward, Ryoh Chudan, return to the initial position
9 Chudan Migi Doh 1. Left foot step forward, strike Migi Doh Jodan Tach block 1. Drop Tachi to the hip, block
2. Standing still Kotachi Men 2. Move the left foot forward, Strike Men using Kotachi
3. Bring Kensen down, Gedan [Zanshin] 3. step backward toward left diagonal, Kotachi Jodan, Tachi Chudan [Zanshin]
4. Pull the left foot towards the right foot, Chudan 4. Ryoh Chudan, return to the initial position
10 Chudan Kurai Zeme 1. Seme using Ki Gurai Jodan Kotachi press down 1. Press down Kensen towards the left using Kotachi
2. Standing still to the left side 2. Move the right foot forward, Strike Men using Tachi
3. Bring Kensen down, Gedan [Zanshin] Tachi Men 3. Move the right foot backward, Kotachi Seigan, Tachi Jodan [Zanshin]
4. Chudan, return to the initial position 4. Move the left foot backward, Ryoh Chudan, return to the initial position
11 Chudan Kurai Zeme 1. Seme using Ki Gurai Jodan Kotachi press down 1. Press down Kensen towards the right using Kotachi
2. Standing still to the right side 2. Turn to the left, strike Kote using Tachi
3. One step back, Gedan [Zanshin] Tachi Migi Kote 3. Pointing Tachi at opponent's face, Kotachi Seigan, Tachi Chudan [Zanshin]
4. Chudan, return to the initial position 4. Move the left foot backward, Ryoj Chudan, return to the initial position
12 Jodan Kurai Zeme 1. Jodan, seme using Ki Gurai Chudan Kotachi Jodan block 1. Kotachi Jodan, block
2. Standing still Tachi Tsuki Chest 2. Move the right foot forward, Strike Tsuki Chest using Tachi
3. One step back, Gedan [Zanshin] 3. Pointing Tachi at opponent's face, Kotachi Jodan, Tachi Chudan [Zanshin]
4. Chudan, return to the initial position 4. Ryoh Chudan, return to the initial position
13 Chudan Kurai Zeme 1. Seme using Ki Gurai, Jodan Chudan Jyuuji Kamae 1. Jyuji Kamae
to Jodan 2. Standing still Tachi Hidari Kote 2. Move the right foot forward, Strike Hidari Kote using Tachi
3. Pull the left foot towards the right foot, Gedan [Zanshin] 3. Move the right foot backward, Kotachi Seigan, Tachi Wakigamae [Zanshin]
4. Chudan, return to the initial position 4. Move the left foot backward, Ryoh Chudan, return to the initial position

Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 9:39 pm

Who here likes using two weapons on once its normal for a samurai to cary a daisho but they almost never draw two of there weapons at once thats why Im special.

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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 5:25 am

Iaijutsu only ever utilizes one of the daisho blades at a time, and I genuinely don't think I have the coordination to perform with the incredible skill of a dual-wielder. More power to you.

Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 2:25 pm

I'm more of a stick fighter ... though I like one stick techniques ... I know how to use dual stick ... though I find my left hand to be more dominant ...

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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 3:12 pm

If it wasn't for finding the Academy and Western Martial Arts, finding a good school teaching something like Niten Ichi Ryu would have been the next best thing to make me happy.

I have a freind who teaches several forms of iai and kenjitsu, and makes these beauties for fun and profit:
http://www.asaswordworks.com/
He's made a few foils; a blunter, more forgiving daisho and he'll sometimes comes down to play a little east vs west with us. It's proven to be a really fun challenge!

Nice write-up Holy, I'd just make on itsy bitsy edit if I may and that's it:

Is it just me or dose it urk other folks too when fencing is refered to as "sparring?" I hear sparring and my brain goes karate and the taste of mouthguards, not swordsmanship.

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We also like using two weapons at once:
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 2:57 pm

Well when I said sparring thats what I think of because in sword fighting you almost never block like the same way you would with two hands and I feel fighting with two swords gives me the feeling like there more extencions of my arms. Plus it was kind of cool when I started chinese kenpo and looked at some of the strikes and sparring moves I relised they were alot alike. biggrin Also when you say kenjitsu do you meen included in a ninjutsu dojo or by its self?

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Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 2:49 pm

Ive been trying to find a place that teaches Ni ten Ichi ryu, if you hear of any dojo near northern ky that teaches it i would be most appreciative.

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 7:06 pm

Sorry don't know any and there aren't much places that teach niten ichi ryu alone. Some times at a kenjutsu or kendo studio they might have some that knows it that can teach you just ask around and your sensias.

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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 12:35 pm

So who thinks a class for niten ichi ryu on gaia would be a good idea.

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 1:36 pm

Xan No Kitsune

So who thinks a class for niten ichi ryu on gaia would be a good idea.

Realistically ... that's a logistical nightmare ...

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Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:48 am

むずすかしね。。。 sweatdrop ｙｏｕ　ｃａｎ’ｔ　ｒｅａｌｌｙ　ｌｅａｒｎ　ＭＡ　ｊｕｓｔ　ｂｙ　ｒｅａｄｉｎｇ　ａｎｄ　ｗａｔｃｈｉｎｇ　ｖｉｄｅｏｓ．．．

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 2:05 am

Xan No Kitsune

Well when I said sparring that's what I think of because in sword fighting you almost never block like the same way you would with two hands

it's because of that which irks me. the technique is (often) different as are the tools. respectfully, i think the difference deserves recognition. although the mind my stay the same, when we cross limbs, it's sparring, when it's steel ...or anything that extends the body, it becomes fencing.

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...and I feel fighting with two swords gives me the feeling like there more extensions of my arms. Plus it was kind of cool when I started chinese kenpo and looked at some of the strikes and sparring moves I relised they were a lot alike. biggrin Also when you say kenjitsu do you mean included in a ninjutsu dojo or by its self?

I mean Japanese sword arts as a whole. if it comes from Japan, it uses swords and there is both an art, philosophy and science behind it, then it's kenjitsu. ne?

i can't say i know much about kenpo. sweatdrop

thank you!

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Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 11:09 am

This conversation piqued my interest, so I went ahead and checked several different dictionaries for a precision definition of the term "sparring". The consensus of all of them is that sparring is, in fact, the act of training unarmed martial techniques (specifically, boxing in most definitions).

However, "fencing" is incorrect as a term for practicing with weaponry according to those same dictionaries. Specifically defined, fencing is the practice of combat with weaponry (even more specifically, utilizing the epee, foil, or saber). Strictly speaking, training with weapons is simply to be called "practice". That said, I went so far as to dig up my old Iaijutsu Sensei Kyoshi's phone number, making a long distance call because if I didn't this question was going to sear a hole in my brain.

His thought on the matter was that most weapons practice is known as "fencing" due to simplification. After all, the primary exposure of the Western world for centuries was exposure to the fencing style of fighting. It lost its combative connotation when fencing was codified into a sport format in the modern day and fencing was done with nonlethal (a term to be used loosely by anyone who has ever been struck with a training rapier!) tools rather than the dangerous real weapons of yore. People would "practice fencing" which eventually merged as a term until the practice and the act were considered synonymous with each other. Other weapons-based martial arts then adopted the term for simplification. Thus, it is perfectly acceptable to refer to practice with weapons as "fencing", whereas to be semantically correct "sparring" should only be utilized as a term for unarmed training exercises. Naturally, with the present linguistic trends the way they are, I am not surprised to see the terms "sparring" and "fencing" slowly beginning to merge for the same reasons "practice" and "fencing" (when used to describe combat training) came together.

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 12:15 pm

Ummm... well that whent far... well the reason I said it was like sparring was because of the moves that could not be produced with only one weapon but two. Such as the hold down slash, wich with one wepon would be a parry lunge. And there happens to be in kenpo a move in wich a downward hold down and a back knuckle are used like the hold down slash.

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Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 12:43 pm

A simple semantical explanation. I happen to agree that many weapons forms can be replicated using similar motions without the weapons. Taijiquan sword forms are loaded with them. However, we practice arts that require specific definition of terms, to minimize confusion amongst those that don't practice the martial arts.

Back onto the general thread of this form, I was going to comment that while I wish GaiaOnline provided the capacity for some form of classes, in reality it is supremely difficult to learn from simple text, pictures and videos. While there is no question that a martial art, just like anything else that can be taught can be learned just as well from videos and books, such practice takes many, many times longer than with proper, personal instruction because you have to learn to listen to your body and to closely observe the nuances of the art being taught in this fashion. So pretty much, until virtual reality becomes a full-blown Matrix-esque thing, martial arts classes online are, as Baka says, a logistical nightmare.

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