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Evan_or_L
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:46 pm


Ok, so the first thing I gotta say is that I felt that our main story was too cluttered with junk comments. I cleaned up a little. What seems to be an issue that sparked some debate was the addition of SAW characters or just the killer and the vampire thing. I kept the comments. If there should be a debate, it should be via PM or subforum. I don't want to be rude, but even as a moderator, I find it difficult to follow the story with subplot diversions and arguments. I am guilty of this myself. I just wanted to give people a place to discuss this and if worst goes to worst, we can delete the first couple of messages and let the issue die.
PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:49 pm


This is the main saw thing:

(this isn't saw its death note) -
Hammy Hamilton

In fact: I just realized that ace torturing people for info, using cameras/ audio equipment, and hiring henchmen is similar to that of jigsaw without the traps. While I agree with C that this isn't a saw (or for that matter vampire) forum, I could see ace as a possible alternative to suit both needs. As for the vampire man, would you be a shinigami or reaper instead? That might be a bit better for this series. (It's just a suggestion)

As for the saw players, If you don't like the ace alternative, I understand that there probably aren't alot of saww forums that let you try to catch him. If you want, you can create your own thing in the forums. If that is the option you take, I suggest naming it Puzzled or something that implies SAW without actually saying it. It might also be wise to try to find a player who fits Jigsaws MO to play as your kira. Haruhihost is a great torturer. I would ask him if this is the path that you wish to take. Evan_or_L

why do we have SAW fans here again? just wondering because This is a death note guild.
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Pandeh-L



Well when you think about it the series do have the same concept. It's told through the point of view of a killer who wants to change bad guys into good guys by killing people off as a message to the world. Neither of the killers show their faces, and the fall behind an identity because in reality they are puny people. The fact is, unlike death note, Saw doesn't have a detective who brings them to justice. These people fantasize about doing that and there are no guilds to do that. For example, I wanted a guild to come into that did only criminal profiling. There were none, but I found something close that met my requirements. they just want to do that and match their wits with others. I don't personally like it but hey, as long as it's deathnote related it's ok.

as for you SAW fans, please don't actually use jigsaw. Use a killer who is similar.
Evan_or_L



Here's the thing with having jigsaw like deaths, it doesn't use the death note in any way. It's just the regular kipnapping sick bloody deaths.

If you're gonna use this concept the death note has to be involved.And please no real names from the movie, I'm sure I can look up on Saw's movies and check out the names and send another post saying how the death note will be involved.
Hammy Hamilton

Evan_or_L
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Aerith Laverne

PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 4:01 pm


Ok here's what I as thinking to begin with. It could be a jigsaw imitator kira who watched the movies and thought jigsaw was his hero and wrote names in the death note, making the trap inescapable! Is that okay? ^-^
PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 4:15 pm


I've been following this, and here's my two cents:

Exnay on the vampires. Maybe you could be a rogue shinigami who uses the Death Note for his own ends like a human. Scary but not so cliched, and still Death Note.

Jigsaw...
Well.
I'm kind of at a loss as to how this even came to be a huge deal. This is Death Note, not SAW, and truthfully I've found it to be more of a detective thing (a rare and refreshing break from the usual) and less of a murderer RP. I think it would mess that up to have a Death Note owner who sets traps like Jigsaw. It would be unnaturally brutal, which even the anime and manga do not have. The series is about ingenuity and brainpower, not just imagination, and certainly not of the gory kind.
While the whole "A human writing the traps in the Death Note" thing is VALID, I just find the whole idea distasteful. I really don't want to read about brutal torture and killings.
Sorry. It just seems like it would be a total 180 from where the guild plot line is going at the moment...It seems more PG now, which as I said is a really nice break from the hardcore RPGs, and a SAW killer would just take it up to R in a single post. I don't know that I, for one, could handle it.

Aka no Aki


Aerith Laverne

PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:37 pm


Aka no Aki
I've been following this, and here's my two cents:

Exnay on the vampires. Maybe you could be a rogue shinigami who uses the Death Note for his own ends like a human. Scary but not so cliched, and still Death Note.

Jigsaw...
Well.
I'm kind of at a loss as to how this even came to be a huge deal. This is Death Note, not SAW, and truthfully I've found it to be more of a detective thing (a rare and refreshing break from the usual) and less of a murderer RP. I think it would mess that up to have a Death Note owner who sets traps like Jigsaw. It would be unnaturally brutal, which even the anime and manga do not have. The series is about ingenuity and brainpower, not just imagination, and certainly not of the gory kind.
While the whole "A human writing the traps in the Death Note" thing is VALID, I just find the whole idea distasteful. I really don't want to read about brutal torture and killings.
Sorry. It just seems like it would be a total 180 from where the guild plot line is going at the moment...It seems more PG now, which as I said is a really nice break from the hardcore RPGs, and a SAW killer would just take it up to R in a single post. I don't know that I, for one, could handle it.


I won't make them THAT violent. I realize there are faint hearted people in this world. I'll turn it down a couple notches
PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 8:59 pm


"Heres the thing,why traps when you can just write their name and kill them,also why make them go in traps when you an kill them in 40 seconds.Plus if you are to do it please follow these rules I'll post again.

1.No using the name Jigsaw or anything realted to his name

2.No Character names from the movie, hence the name Death note guild

3.Your traps can't be to violent, I'm thirteen and like some gore but it's just nonsense human torture

4.(This one is a big hit) No pig faced man,in the movie it's jigsaw kipnapping

(Were not faint hearted, we have a Death note guild with shinigamis, not pig faced mans revenge for his babys death.

Suramity
Captain

Aerith Laverne

PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:53 pm


xD Okay! I'll keep it pg-13! Instead of a pig mask he'll wear a regular ski mask that anyone would wear if they were going to jack somebody's car or break into their house. And the reason y he's giving them death traps is to torture them....... (cough) sadism (cough).......
PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 7:05 am


(Still makes no sense)

Suramity
Captain

XxHaruhi-HostxX
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 7:18 am


What are we talking about here?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 1:04 pm


We are talking about people who want to have a SAW based killer. Saw is a movie franchise in which a man kidnaps people that he considers them and tries to rehabilitate them by putting them in traps that, through self mutilation, you can escape. Now I can look at both sides of the line.

-general opinion-is a grotesque movie, with so much gore and violence that it hardly fits what we do here.

-pro Saw opinion-Our death note users are generally good guys with the exception of Haruhihost who usually uses a more direct approach. Still that leaves an unbalenced amount of good kiras and detectives to bad kiras.

-My opinion: Why not have a better killer? One who organizes their kill patterns and fits jigsaw in that he plays mind games and observes his victims.

For Hammy: Sadism is a characterstic of a serial killer in which they enjoy and get a thrill out of the pain of others. Another killer like that was Jesse Pomeroy http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sadism

For Amy Lee Fan: Some people can't handle that much violence. Also, do you take a spanish course at your school? It's just a guess.

Evan_or_L
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Aka no Aki

PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:40 pm


According to the official rules of the Death Note.
The details of death must be written within 6 minutes and 40 seconds of writing the person's name or else the person will die of a heart attack.
This in itself really excludes a lot of chances for a SAW-type killing written in the Death Note. So much detail would require more time.

Also, I propose this standard:
Plagiarism.

If one were to write a book with a man or woman wearing a ski mask (not even a pig mask) who tortured their victims for the sake of reforming them would be cited and penalized, probably in court and also to their reputation, for plagiarizing the SAW franchise.
Were we to adopt this standard, then all problems would be solved. If most posters wanted a crossover section, then I say go for it, no holds barred in a separate section. But as it is our only section is Death Note, not a crossover.

I agree with Evan on one point. A killer who tortures his victims psychologically would be a very interesting proponent to this. Unfortunately, unnecessary gore just doesn't seem to be on the menu for this particular guild.
PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:45 pm


I'll agree with most of that last statement except for the bit about plagarism. Keep in mind, death note, shinigami, and detectives with one letter nicknames aren't ours... sweatdrop

Evan_or_L
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:50 pm


Evan_or_L



Well when you think about it the series do have the same concept. It's told through the point of view of a killer who wants to change bad guys into good guys by killing people off as a message to the world.
Evan_or_L


They kinda have the same concept,but if you think harder,they are completely different.First off,there is the way they kill,Kira uses a book,Jigsaw uses traps.Second,Kira is obsessed with justice and im pretty sure jigsaw was just trying to "experiment" on the "used to be" prisoners.
Not to be mean,but this is a Death note roleplaying guild correct?If SAW players wanted to do a SAW roleplay couldn't they have joined (or made) a SAW guild?Whether concepts are alike,You don't roleplay SAW in a Death Note guild,and you don't roleplay Death Note in a SAW guild.Just like "You don't dance in the bowling alley,and you don't bowl at the dancing alley" o-o
(words from Peter Chao)
PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:00 pm


1st off I'd like to say, i love the Matt for the win, it's awsome.

2nd, I agree with those points. As we see we have alot of people who can't handle the gruesome nature of saw, nor is it the saw guild. What there is to decide now I believe (I'm pretty sure this is right, but I've been wrong before) how alike a killer can be to the killer they want to bring to justice. All killers are based off of something. Light was probably based aon a religious yahoo, and the Kira killer (In Real murder mystery subforum) is based loosely on jeffrey dahmer. I agree I don't like the idea of jigsaw being here but I do like the psychological killer. Technically we've already had a character here who kidnaps and tortures, just not in the same extent.

Evan_or_L
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Aka no Aki

PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:02 pm


One: Have to say this. I love your signature, Pandeh XD

Ah, I need to clarify my meaning with the plagiarism.
Basically, this is said to be a Death Note guild. I meant that we should use the same standard. Meaning, if one were to write a book and say it was original, then it would be bad to plagiarise yes? Well, this is a Death Note guild, and the owners say it is a Death Note guild, so why would there be a SAW takeoff in it?

That's what I meant XD sorry for not clarifying very well. I put too much emphasis on the explanation of the standard and not enough on the application thereof.
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