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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 11:18 am
Been reading a few things here and there about homosexuality and all this civil right junk in America concerning gay marriage, etc. Also came up briefly in conversation while I was out with friends the other day, so I was sincerely curious about everyone else's opinion on the matter.
So I've even seen around numerous forums how homosexuals (and anime fangirls into "yaoi") "hate heterosexuals because they flaunt their relationships and their heterosexuality all over the place"... so I'm like... uh, ok? People are always defending homosexuals like you're committing a horrible hate crime if you even disagree with one, so I tend to avoid posting in said threads because they're usually made up of immature people and idiots who have no idea what they're talking about. That being said, I'm getting kind of sick of it all: Homosexuals hating on heterosexuals, ignorant fools blindly agreeing with anything a homosexual says - just because they are homosexual, and lastly, heterosexuals hating on homosexuals.
NOW before anybody thinks I'm flaming - I have no, I mean, zero problems with homosexuals. I think they have the right to marry one another and have all the benefits of such, just as any other heterosexual looking to spend the rest of their lives with one another would. Why the hell shouldn't they? They're still human. Denying them as such is no different than making African-Americans enter public facilities through the back door or making them sit at the back of the bus, in my opinion.
Anyway, back to my main point. What I'm trying to say is that I'm getting sick of how people in general treat the entire matter... like it's a big, freakin' deal that so-and-so is gay and that, if I don't care for the person, I'm obviously homophobic, because I don't like a gay person - even though the fact that s/he is gay is not the reason I dislike them. It's because they are an obnoxious person, but god forbid you dislike a homosexual person that is obnoxious, even if you would dislike a heterosexual person for being obnoxious.
I don't want a homosexual flaunting their homosexuality around in front of me, shoving it in my face that they're gay.
I also don't want a heterosexual doing as such.
"I love d**k" is just as annoying coming from a straight girl as it is from a gay guy.
Actually, it's probably even more annoying from a straight girl. neutral
But anyway... I was reminded yesterday of the whole thing. I used to have a friend that was really, really bad about being obnoxious about her homosexuality that way. She'd make it a point to make sure everyone around her knew she was gay even if we already knew and would even push the fact upon complete strangers she probably would never even speak to again. It was annoying. I can understand why some would be compelled to be so overly outspoken about it. Personally, I look forward to a world where they wouldn't need to feel that way, but in the meantime, everybody should keep their business to themselves unless it's relevant. Such as when meeting people for the first time... better to see if they'll be a friend now rather than making friends, only to have them bash and ditch you later for finding out you're gay. razz
I guess what I'm trying to get at is that, I am not very fond of PDA - no matter what sexuality you are. I'm just getting tired of being hated for including homosexuals in that general mix and being treated like a homophobe for it.
So! What are your opinions on homosexuality? Be honest, but keep it civil.
Feel free to discuss sexuality in general. :3 Your own personal orientation? Your opinions on PDA?
I have no sexual preference, to be honest. I'm not particularly interested in either gender - only find women a bit more fun to look at... and only look at. I base my feelings on a person-to-person basis, but admittedly due to the whole general "lol gays are immoral and unnatural" and immature "Ewww that's so gay" mindset, I don't really express interest in guys.
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 12:06 pm
I'll admit it. I tend to stray towards PDA without being conscious of who's looking. In that moment in time, I don't realize who might be looking, why they're looking, and who it bothers. It's something I need to work on and hopefully, I'll eventually be able to get over it. However, I don't think simple things such as holding hands or hugging to say hello or good bye should be considered all that bad. This isn't Japan.
When it comes to my own sexuality, it's a lot easier to say that I'm a lesbian. Technically, I'm fond of both genders. However, my standards for men are outrageously high - to the point where there is absolutely no man... and I mean NO man who could ever meet those standards. So yeah, you know what? Just call me gay.
But hm... I used to be pretty uh... pushy about my sexuality, too. Looking back on it, I'm really ashamed of myself for doing that kind of thing. My sexuality shouldn't be the basis of why a person likes me or dislikes me, and it took a friend of mines lecturing me about the whole ordeal to get over myself. Unless I'm going to petition or whatever for gay rights, I better shut the hell up.
To be honest, the only thing that pisses me off about the whole issue with gay marriage is that gay people lose out on so much benefits related to marriage. That really sounds selfish, but why give heterosexuals benefits that gay people could never get? If marriage is so important religiously, then why does the Government give heterosexuals benefits in the first place? Marriage wouldn't be such a big deal if we all got the same benefits, right?
Hm... I don't mind the "What's it like to be gay?" question. People only ask that if they: A) Are gay themselves. B) Are genuinely curious. So you know what, guys? What's it like to be gay? I figure it's a lot like being straight: Boring unless you do something about it.
Eh... I'm probably running around in circles because I'm not very good typing out long things. xd So um... Yeah. biggrin Being gay isn't bad - it isn't good either... I just think it's uh... normal?
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:50 pm
I always found it funny when non-gay people are offended by using the word "gay" as a derogatory term. It's like they're being offended for gay people... which is totally ridiculous.
To be honest, I like using the word "gay" as a derogatory term. It's not out of self-hate or gay-hate... I just think it's funny. That may mark me as immature, but whatever. I just like the irony.
Still, be careful when using the word "gay." The last thing you want is a really fruity guy or a butchy chick beating you up in front of dozens of people. ^ lol stereotypes
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 4:25 pm
As a christian im against gays and gay marriage but i do belivie in having someone to love so even if i dont agree with what their doing there still people so they should still b treated as such not as freaks
and i would like to point out that not all christians will act like jerks when it comes to this stuff
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:10 pm
Stainedwithbloodandtears and i would like to point out that not all christians will act like jerks when it comes to this stuff Unfortunately, the ones that do are very, very loud and obnoxious about it. >_< Nice to meet a Christian who's nice about it all, though. :3
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:25 pm
Kamoku Guy Stainedwithbloodandtears and i would like to point out that not all christians will act like jerks when it comes to this stuff Unfortunately, the ones that do are very, very loud and obnoxious about it. >_< Nice to meet a Christian who's nice about it all, though. :3 thank u ^^ i hope this doesn't offend u but i have to ask r u gay?
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:48 pm
Stainedwithbloodandtears thank u ^^ i hope this doesn't offend u but i have to ask r u gay? Nah. Do I seem like it? sweatdrop I'm just good friends with a few homo and bisexuals, so I grew up not knowing gender discrimination when it comes to love. I pretty much like girls, they just don't seem to like me. neutral
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Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:54 pm
It's always nice to see someone who's civil and polite about this type of thing despite their opposition to it. biggrin But yeah... in the end, I don't think gender should matter when it comes to who you love. Whether you're straight, bisexual, gay, etc. I think you'll end up loving who you're meant to love. Right? Holy crap corny.  I like this. rofl And you liiiiie, Kamo. Plenty of girls like you... just... lots of them are underaged and/or crazy half the time. xd
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 7:57 am
Kamoku Guy Stainedwithbloodandtears and i would like to point out that not all christians will act like jerks when it comes to this stuff Unfortunately, the ones that do are very, very loud and obnoxious about it. >_< Nice to meet a Christian who's nice about it all, though. :3 I agree. It's nice to finally see someone who is of the Christian faith that chooses not to conform to the ways of everyone else merely because 'it is right'. It's pretty hypocritical, actually. I mean, most of them preach good will & do onto others yet they're discriminating against people for so many reasons. Just seems like the church has been out to hate nearly EVERYTHING in recent years.. Not just homosexuals.
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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:55 pm
I think hating someone because of their sexuality alone is absolutely ridiculous. It's like hating someone for liking the colour green! (("We like purple around here! Go back to your own kind, green lover! :X")) It's crazy. lol
I think I probably have around an equal number of straight and gay/bi friends. I couldn't care either way, unless I'm involved in it, others' sex lives do not concern me at all.
Personally, I date boys, but I have definitely been attracted to certain girls before, so I suppose I'm pretty open minded. I agree with Sleeping Dandelion, that people will end up with who they're meant to end up with. No point closing options.
Although, with gay marriage, something I don't get is why would someone want a Christian marriage specifically, when Christianity as a religion, is against homosexuality? By all means get married, have a family, do your thing. But why does it have to be Christian? You're not following their religion- even if you follow every other thing in the bible, I'd still consider that a different variation on Christianity, because you're not doing it to a T. And it isn't like Christians have the monopoly on marital bliss do they? Other cultures and religions get married too?
I think the real problem is that straight people who aren't religious at all, people who haven't set foot in a church since they were baptized or confirmed or whatever, can still get married if they want in a Christian church by a priest. But people who go to church every Sunday and follow every commandment but happen to be gay- they can't. That just doesn't even out. It seems to me that if they want to get strict about who gets married in their church, they should start there, wouldn't you think? I dunno... It's all a bit convoluted if you ask me. People should just live their lives and be happy, and stop putting their noses into other people's affairs, no matter who they are.
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Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:50 am
pincurls Although, with gay marriage, something I don't get is why would someone want a Christian marriage specifically, when Christianity as a religion, is against homosexuality? By all means get married, have a family, do your thing. But why does it have to be Christian? You're not following their religion- even if you follow every other thing in the bible, I'd still consider that a different variation on Christianity, because you're not doing it to a T. And it isn't like Christians have the monopoly on marital bliss do they? Other cultures and religions get married too? I think the real problem is that straight people who aren't religious at all, people who haven't set foot in a church since they were baptized or confirmed or whatever, can still get married if they want in a Christian church by a priest. But people who go to church every Sunday and follow every commandment but happen to be gay- they can't. That just doesn't even out. It seems to me that if they want to get strict about who gets married in their church, they should start there, wouldn't you think? I dunno... It's all a bit convoluted if you ask me. People should just live their lives and be happy, and stop putting their noses into other people's affairs, no matter who they are. You know... I actually never really thought about that. O.o And yeah, that doesn't make any sense at all. I have a lesbian friend that's open to marriage, but the last thing she'd want is a Christian ceremony... she probably wouldn't want any religious ceremony whatsoever, actually. Last I talked to her about the subject, she just told me something along the lines of: "I'll sign the paperwork and just have a party for it at the beach later... it's not like I need a ceremony to feel married." So yeah... I always thought the whole religious involvement in homosexual marriages was kinda stupid. Maybe way back in the day it would have been relevant, when Vegas wasn't handing marriage out like candy on Halloween. I couldn't help but highlight this again... I just like it. :] I guess if everybody thought this way and truly allowed everyone to be treated as equals, the world (or at least this country) would be a much happier place. Can't help but think about the talk of banning trans fats, but that's another issue for another topic. <-<; pincurls People should just live their lives and be happy, and stop putting their noses into other people's affairs, no matter who they are.
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