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DeathWyrmNexus
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:15 pm


A small number of you already know my rising issue with their clan. The frustrating part is how small it seems of a complaint but the fact that it keeps persisting is making it a bigger problem.

In short, I am tired of the prude police. Yes, I said it. The funny thing is that I haven't personally received much in the way of chastisement but those I have seen such things have all been ridiculously petty things.

I just don't feel comfortable posting there anymore as I don't like having to constantly watch my back for Tsk tsking.

Beyond that, I have no issue with them so I have no intention of making an enemy but I am sensitive to the fact that a number of members have dual membership and this impacts them. So I am opening this up to crew debate, obviously, since I posted it here.

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I am going to refer you to my journal for the rating system. I apologize for the accusatory nature of my tone but I am starting to find it insulting to see public threats made on your members for commentary that wouldn't even raise a moderator's brow. It seems especially out of place given the nature of a number of members who don't get such treatment. Just the other day, Utena had a nude purple chibi dancing about and the only reason it annoyed me is because of the actions I've seen taken with other members.

So by all means, respond back and clarify how this stance of your leadership works so I can best decide what my posts will be like in the future, if at all.

If you see my post I said she was getting close to the PG13 line. I didnt give her a warning. If you have a problem with the way i help run the clan then by all means pm Kitten. We have had alot of complaints recently about what had been going on in the thread. Im sure if you were a Elder in the DoG you would know that. We are trying to create a friendly environment where sisters of all ages can feel conferable.

Sanada's post could be interpreted as you and her were going to go somewhere private and cyber. Her post was brought to my attention by another member.

Posting more in the thread is completely up to you.

And the constant state of fantasy streetwalker wear and auctioning off dates could be seen as prostitution. Everything is up to interpretation that isn't my issue. My issue is that I am feeling less and less comfortable in your thread because of how I see things ran. A warning I saw as something to be included in a pm is being broadcast as a public post. Everything remotely sexual or innuendo in nature is getting some kind of odd clamp down. I am not taking this up with Kitten because I am taking it up with you.

If I wanted to make a big deal of it, I would take it to her. As it stands I can respect you enough to talk about problems to your face. It is part of being an adult, I don't need a mommy figure to report to if I have a concern.

*sigh* I am seeing how this is going to continue to be a problem in the future so I am going to review the alliance in general. I don't have a huge problem with the DoG so none of my members will be restricted from posting there. However, I cannot in good conscience continue to ignore this problem since it is now making me increasingly uncomfortable to go into your thread.

prostitution is saying that there will be sex if you win that date. No where did it say you would win sex and in fact rule 4 clearly states the auction is not for cyber sex at all. It wasnt a warning, It was merely me informing her she was getting to close to the line. If I were going to hand out a official warning I would have pmed her. I made that post in the thread rather then a pm so other people dont see it and think it's ok, and they know not to get that close either. If I had known it was going to be such a problem I would have done things differently. This is how i was told to do things along time ago. Not only I do it but the other elders used to do it aswell.

It may continue to be a problem. As long as our sister's complain about it, it's a problem. Ive had sisters leave offer this stuff recently. I dont want to lose more people. So as long as I continue to lose sisters and people complain. It will always be a problem. Im sorry you dont feel comfortable but until I leave the DoG this is how I do things. This is how i was taught to do things and this is how Ive seen things done.

I dont want us to lose our alliance, but thats completely up to you. The DoG I know has no problem with you clan. So if you do call off your alliance you can come back and request again at any time. It would also pose a problem for the members of both clans. In our rules it states that members of a different clan have to be allianced. I will have to inform Kitten of what to do if it came to that.



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And the constant state of fantasy streetwalker wear and auctioning off dates could be seen as prostitution. Everything is up to interpretation that isn't my issue. My issue is that I am feeling less and less comfortable in your thread because of how I see things ran. A warning I saw as something to be included in a pm is being broadcast as a public post. Everything remotely sexual or innuendo in nature is getting some kind of odd clamp down. I am not taking this up with Kitten because I am taking it up with you.

If I wanted to make a big deal of it, I would take it to her. As it stands I can respect you enough to talk about problems to your face. It is part of being an adult, I don't need a mommy figure to report to if I have a concern.

*sigh* I am seeing how this is going to continue to be a problem in the future so I am going to review the alliance in general. I don't have a huge problem with the DoG so none of my members will be restricted from posting there. However, I cannot in good conscience continue to ignore this problem since it is now making me increasingly uncomfortable to go into your thread.

prostitution is saying that there will be sex if you win that date. No where did it say you would win sex and in fact rule 4 clearly states the auction is not for cyber sex at all. It wasnt a warning, It was merely me informing her she was getting to close to the line. If I were going to hand out a official warning I would have pmed her. I made that post in the thread rather then a pm so other people dont see it and think it's ok, and they know not to get that close either. If I had known it was going to be such a problem I would have done things differently. This is how i was told to do things along time ago. Not only I do it but the other elders used to do it aswell.

It may continue to be a problem. As long as our sister's complain about it, it's a problem. Ive had sisters leave offer this stuff recently. I dont want to lose more people. So as long as I continue to lose sisters and people complain. It will always be a problem. Im sorry you dont feel comfortable but until I leave the DoG this is how I do things. This is how i was taught to do things and this is how Ive seen things done.

I dont want us to lose our alliance, but thats completely up to you. The DoG I know has no problem with you clan. So if you do call off your alliance you can come back and request again at any time. It would also pose a problem for the members of both clans. In our rules it states that members of a different clan have to be allianced. I will have to inform Kitten of what to do if it came to that.

And nowhere did she state she was going to cyber with me, see the problem? And this continues to be an ongoing issue and I honestly can't see well, the honesty in it. I've already stated examples of how this isn't being handled evenly and I find it highly uncomfortable to see random prude police warnings by people who's costume wouldn't even be seen outside of a rated R movie. It is petty but still disconcerting.

I am losing patience with these minor and constant issues. I am also wary of a clan that I can't simply post without having to look over my proverbial back. And... Now I am done bothering you with this. I will however suggest you watch Young Frankenstein and learn what PG-13 vs PG really is. It is PG but filled with innuendo and awesome humor. Perhaps there should be a reevaluation of your rules since you say PG-13 and are more like G.

Anyway, I'm done. I have a discussion to have with my own clan now and then report my decision to my other allies so everybody is on the same page. gonk

None of it was even a problem before we started to get excessive complaints about it. Alot of our active members are very open and we have always encouraged that. Now that we keep getting complaints from our older sisters about the way people have been acting we have all been thrown through a loop of how to deal with it.

Me and another member have also been pushing we change the rule form PG-13 to 18 and older. Not necessarily rated R but it will keep people from reporting the small stuff to me or any other elder for being against the rules.

Ive actually seen that movie a millions times and can recite it word for word. My dad is a huge Mel Brooks fan.

If that means you are done with this conversation, Then I will pm my other elders of you concerns so we can discuss how they feel.

I think if you actually spelled out PG-13, you would get less cretinous complaints. It seems that most of those complaining lack a grasp of the rating system. And sure, we're done as we are in circles now.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:36 pm


I have never been there and honestly I have not been there for fear of their reaction to a strange male person and potential sexual preadator bursting in trough the window with cupcakes.

On a more serious note, I have had an idea of how this "issue" started and have seen similar problems before.

If there is an issue we should have and heart felt conversation with them.
We just had an at least half sucessful auction with them and I hope we can do more stuuff in the future.

Also, they seem to be one of the few still active clans who run "smoothly" and so far, all peopel I've met are nice and I am friend with some of the girls.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:48 pm


I am also friends with the girls and this thread is the reaction to weeks worth of PMs on the matter. I am discussing it here because I want to have my crew in the loop before I make any kind of decision.

So yea, heart to hearts have been had and I am actually waiting for a bit of correspondence. I am not worried about solutions, I am worried about who all is affected by this and their opinions.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:53 pm


I am dedicating some of my free time to this now.
I'll check out a thing or two but here's my guess:

Some we ofended.
Those some, are maybe (MAYBE) jsut being bitchy.
Those some don't matter.

If the queens are not concerned and the majority or the hive doens't even care, then I would assume there is no problem to be dealt with and move on.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:59 pm


Ah but I am talking about the queens. They are who I've been talking to and they are the ones who's Tsk tsking has gotten on my last nerve.

But... That said, I am very open to independent investigation. Any of the crew can act as go betweens on my behalf for those that give a damn about formality. XD
PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:02 pm


I wish I had a spy on their mist....
Just like the one I had on that elite clan until I realised it was an useless effort.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:07 pm


Eh, I just want to stop dealing with this problem. So whatever you can figure out is fine though I believe they are being truthful with me.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:16 pm


Okay I did some quick reckooning.
I don't get what's wrong really.
They seem to LOVE Lynn and Twillan drew them some freebies.
I'm guessings Lang did the same.

Can you post some of the PM you have traded with them?
And sicne it's something open for discussion, please clarify to detail the nature of the ofeense.
Has "Demon Advisor" I am going to adivse myself some sleep.
Good night.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:18 pm


I am hopeful that they will stamp out the obnoxious pg 13 crying. Anyone who screams out that we need to keep it PG 13, clearly hasn't checked the ratings lately. and thats really what anoys me about the whole business. It's not just DW who feels like they are walking on eggshells. I really felt uncomfortable after that little "WARNING WARNING! IF YOU CONTINUE YOU"LL BE IN TROUBLE!"
PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:28 pm


There, that should be all of it with some overlap.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:42 pm


Just noting that I've read this.

I haven't been present very much lately, so I'm not sure if I have much to say about the issue, as I have had no idea what's been going on between Clans while I've been MIA.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:58 pm


I remember seeing the Tsktsk over your language DW, and I was a little surprised, as I was pretty sure I'd seen the same in the thread before, and maybe even later. It raised an eyebrow, but I didn't find it particularly irksome.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:25 pm


Here is the thing, it is a progression of things, one instance is annoying, three or more is pushing my tolerance.
PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:19 am


I usually take too much of a laid back approach to things, so I don't know if my opinion is going to matter here or go over well.

If there has been similar language/content used by their own members, they should be reprimanded in the same way we are. ('tsktsked' at or whatever happened.)
That's a big concern for me, if they're being biased in any way, but I don't know the details.

Not sure if that's an issue or if only certain individuals of DoG are being the nitpickers.

At the end of the day, its their guild, so I guess they can enforce certain rules.
Nothing says our members have to post there to maintain the alliance.

If it's too bothersome, we can stick to our own thread and be cool by ourselves. cool

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:36 am


And yet I have a hunch its a singular individual that is Tsking.
Though that is entirely up to speculation.
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