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I believe that we existed before we came to earth for the simple fact that our spirit is the immortal part of us and it goes on forever, even after the physical body has long died.

And also the bible says the spirits were created in the beginning and that was before any one was ever born.

*Genesis 2:5-plants existed before they were on earth

*Ecclesiastes 12:7-we shall return to God...(and if we return that means that we've been there before)

*Colossians 1:15-16

*Jeremiah 1:5- says that God knew him before his body was formed in the womb


*Proverbs 8:23-28-the author talks about being with God while He created the earth.


Plus there are several others that talk about the foreordination that occured before the foundation of the world. Also the bible talks about us being the children of the Most High.


Here are the scriptures about foreordination from the Bible.

Num. 16: 22 (Num. 27: 16) God of the spirits of all flesh.
Job 38: 7 all the sons of God shouted for joy.
Eccl. 12: 7 the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Jer. 1: 5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee.
Zech. 12: 1 Lord . . . formeth the spirit of man within him.
John 9: 2 who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind.
Acts 17: 28 poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
Rom. 8: 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate.
Eph. 1: 4 chosen us in him before the foundation of the world.
Heb. 12: 9 subjection unto the Father of spirits.
Jude 1: 6 angels which kept not their first estate.
Rev. 12: 7 Michael and his angels fought against the dragon.

God knows everything and everyone he knows who is to be born and who is to die within a minute.

Returning to God can be taken out of context and because God made man and woman and is the reason why we are here could be why we would return to our creator just like Adam and Eve did. Or because he knew who we were to become before the womb and not talking to us or seeing us but he knew we would eventulay exist and be walking around and asking about things and him.

Anything in the bible can be twisted and taken out of context or sugar coated.
People have gone as far with twisting it with saying women are not going to heaven and going to hell I've seen people point out verses from the bible and it makes it look like what they are saying is legit but in reality it's just them taking a few words and bending them to how they want or what they personaly think, there have been men who questioned women having souls over this kind of thing.

The definition of eternal is "valid or existing at all times; timeless"

If we are eternal beings as it states in scripture then we have neither a beginning nor an end. So, really you may have to define and refute quite a few scriptures that speak of eternal life and also the many scriptures that talk of God knowing us before life. I'm just asking out of curiousity, what other religions say since my view seems quite logical to believe in.


A few scriptures to support us being eternal are Matthew 25:46; John 3:15; 3:36; 17:3; Acts 13:48....just to name a few of them

I saw the thread in the D/D, but I've been wanting to discuss this for the longest of time with this guild, but kept forgetting to post it.


I believe the premortal existence was important, yes.

Yeah, basically what Talis said. It's also important to note the emphasis of how we can ATTAIN eternal life. Eternal meaning forever-life. And, as Talis stated, we do not have eternal life before.

Once again, I stress the fact that on God is truly eternal. He is without beginning or end. Whereas, every other thing, being, creature and spirit had a beginning, and are there for not eternal in the sense that God is.

Also about your verses:

*Genesis 2:5: nd no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth [c] and there was no man to work the ground.

This merely shows the idea that God had in placing plants on Earth. Just as he had the idea to create man.

*Ecclesiastes 12:7: and the dust returns to the ground it came from,
and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

This doesn't mean we had been in Heaven before, as you think. This is merely a re-utterance of "God Giveth, and God Taketh Away." Also, it stressed the fact that God is the giver of all life.

*Colossians 1:15-16: 15He (Jesus) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.

I don't know how this supports your case, as it adds to the fact that all things are finite, had a beginning and are therefore, are not truly eternal.

*Jeremiah 1:5: 5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew [a] you,
before you were born I set you apart;
I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."

A verse that can easily be warped. As far as Catholics, Protestants and E Orthodox, this verse is a stresser of God's Omniscience. He is all knowing, and therefore, He "knew" us before we were born. Also, this verse is directly placed towards Jeremiah.


*Proverbs 8:23-28: 23 I (WISDOM) was appointed [d] from eternity,
from the beginning, before the world began.

24 When there were no oceans, I was given birth,
when there were no springs abounding with water;

25 before the mountains were settled in place,
before the hills, I was given birth,

26 before he made the earth or its fields
or any of the dust of the world.

27 I was there when he set the heavens in place,
when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,

28 when he established the clouds above
and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,

As much of Proverbs is, this chapter and these verses are a personification of Wisdom. It is NOT the author. It is, in fact, Wisdom. Please read the chapter. In Proverbs, many chapters are with "Wisdom" speaking, in the first person no less.

Nothing yet has been found to support the theory of pre-mortal existence, I'm afraid.


Num. 16: 22 (Num. 27: 16) God of the spirits of all flesh.
Job 38: 7 all the sons of God shouted for joy.
Eccl. 12: 7 the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Jer. 1: 5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee.
Zech. 12: 1 Lord . . . formeth the spirit of man within him.
John 9: 2 who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind.
Acts 17: 28 poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
Rom. 8: 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate.
Eph. 1: 4 chosen us in him before the foundation of the world.
Heb. 12: 9 subjection unto the Father of spirits.
Jude 1: 6 angels which kept not their first estate.
Rev. 12: 7 Michael and his angels fought against the dragon.

Nada here, either.