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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:44 pm
llewellyn.com I am shocked almost speechless today at a brazen attack on the religious liberties of Pagans, Wiccans, and all other followers of minority religions. Some of you may have heard of Rev. Patrick McCollum, a man who became the first government-recognized Wiccan chaplain in the United States in 1997. He has been doing outstanding work in raising visibility on legal issues involving discrimination against minority faiths in prison and elsewhere; he appeared before the US Commission on Civil Rights in Washington, DC, to speak at a briefing focused on prisoners’ religious rights; he spoke at the Parliament of World Religions in Australia in December; and he’s been invited to be part of the current administration’s discussion on how to limit discrimination and promote Interfaith education. To put it briefly, he is out there fighting for us. His latest battle has been an ongoing fight of several years against California’s “five faiths policy,” which restricts paid prison chaplains to being only of the Protestant, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, and Native American faiths. He rightfully argued that this constitutes religious discrimination in hiring practices, not to mention the fact that incarcerated members of other faiths would be well-served by having more minority faith chaplains. The response, up to now, has been to argue on the technicality that McCollum has no legal standing, as he’s not a prisoner, nor is he a taxpayer trying to curb government spending (he’s suggesting government money instead could be spent more fairly). But now the conversation has taken a turn for the worse. Much worse. Patrick’s latest statement reads: " In one of their first arguments to the court, the defendants said that certain “traditional” faiths are first tier faiths and that those faiths were meant to have equal rights and protections under the United States Constitution, but that all of the other faiths, for example, Hindus, Pagans, Buddhists, Sikhs, Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Jains, are second tier faiths deserving of lesser rights, and therefore are not meant to have the same equal rights and protections under the United States Constitution as the first tier faiths. Now, in an amicus brief filed in the Ninth Circuit of the U.S. Court of Appeals in support of the CDCR and the other defendants, an organization called WallBuilders,Inc, which is represented by the National Legal Foundation, has argued that Christianity is the only religion that should be protected under the Constitution or at the very most other monotheistic religions might also be included. They also argue that the term religion only applies to Christianity or monotheistic faiths, and that anyone else, including the Pagans, are not really a religion for the purpose of Constitutional protections." Does that send shivers down your spine? Creep you out entirely? It should. Wicca has been a protected religion in the eyes of the Federal Court since 1986, and now these cretins want to say “not really.” The WallBuilder’s brief claims that the definition of “religion” when used by the founding fathers was synonymous with “Christianity” or “monotheism” because they spoke of “the Creator” as a singular noun, and therefore McCollum can’t invoke the protection of the founding fathers. Inexplicably, they also argue at the same time that since the definition of religion has changed since then (yes, the definition has changed, but if anything I would argue that it’s broader now than it was back then), whatever definition of “religion” you apply, Paganism and witchcraft don’t fall under it. Incredible. If you’re troubled or outraged by this assault on the beliefs of millions of non-monotheists living in America, here’s what you can do, in Patrick’s words again: "We all need to write to Jerry Brown, the California Attorney General, Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Mathew L. Cate, the Secretary of the CDCR and let them all know our outrage. And if you are a Pagan or Heathen, then we must also demand equal treatment, equal accommodations, equal access to our religious items for institutionalized persons, including prison inmates, and equal access to paid Pagan chaplains." For the full enchilada, complete with links to Patrick’s full statement, and WallBuilder’s full amicus brief, please see the post on the Wild Hunt blog: Is the First Amendment for Monotheists Only?. Jason has summed up all the key points eloquently and has links to his previous posts about McCollum’s ongoing legal battle. Kids, it looks like now is the time to jump in. We’ve been letting Patrick fight for us, now is the time to make our voices heard on his behalf before this thing goes too far. Source: http://www.llewellyn.com/blog/2010/01/keep-your-1st-amendment-rights/
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:07 pm
that makes me want to pick up a sign a protest!!
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:57 pm
I know, right? I felt physically ill after I read this. Word's fail to accurately describe both the feelings and the intensity of the emotions this evokes. All the words in the English language fail convey not only my disappointment in other people, but also my disgust and the feeling of despair this brings to me (and I read the dictionary). :/
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:49 pm
that's the most absurd stuff i've ever heard, everyone in america should have the right to whatever religion they believe in. hell, it's why the country was started i recall having to be forced to learn in school. if they have no intentions of doing so then why state that it's a free country? if it's so free, then why is everyone living in it so oppressed? all the USA is is nothing but a bunch of stupid hypocrites, that say one thing and then turns around and does another! i could go on for hours probably about how ignorant they are. lets see, life, liberty, hmmm guess that's it. oh yeah, they pretty much don't have much liberty either. people are constantly looked down upon and ridiculed just because of who or what they are! anyways, i'm sorry for exploding like this. got dumped and i'm just in a really upset mood, and well i guess it's easy to see i'm scary when mad. sweatdrop
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Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 1:00 am
I'm so sorry to hear you got dumped. It's a hard thing to deal with even in the best of moods, it's no wonder you're so upset. I could fill books on why things like this happen and how it affects everyone it touches and not even scratch the surface of the whole subject. And it wouldn't take the frustration and hurt of it away either.
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Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:51 am
I sat here for a few minutes. Trying to think of something to type. I can't help but think this most recent contemplation I've been having and this issue are connected. In a perfect world, everyone would weight cause vs. effect in there actions. But, unfortunately this is not the case. Instead, your average person weighs there own personal intent. Not even caring about the consequences of there actions. Only if they feel remorse for there actions. Will they actually own up to them.
I've been noticing an overall decline in morality in just this last decade alone. More unscrupulous actions, more vulgarity which I suspect is related to the vulgarity of action I've been seeing. I've even caught myself swearing more often now a days. While, I used to only swear on occasion. Most of the time I was more consciousness of this.
Even one of my favorite hobbies has been corrupted in this last decade. Video Games used to be geared for family friendly entertainment. I recall the outrage when the Sega Genesis was new. At the blood filled game of Mortal Kombat. I remember many of my friends not being able to own the game. Because there parents were caught up in the ban of content. It seems kind of silly by today's standards. But, this Grand Theft Auto has people performing just about every deplorable action you an perform. Destruction of Private Property, Murder, Sex, Violence.
It seems like the bar just keeps getting pushed more and more into the negative. I even own this one game. Which depicts very realistic Sexual acts. Now that is just plain deplorable and luckily it is only optional content so I stay away from it. That 17+ label on a game. Doesn't change the fact. That the bulk of gamers are in fact teenagers. Or, more accurately there parents.
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Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 1:35 pm
I agree with a lot of what Lance said. I don't cuss much at all nor do I use over exaggerations, I feel like if I watch my words my words have more power, when I need them. Most people think I am a prude because they notice my language, which I am so not.
People just expect a certain level of debasedness. I think violence should be restricted to necessity or to show the wrongness of it. I think any sex that is not portrayed in a healthy manner NEEDS again to be done to show the horror of it and certainly not for glorification purposes.
I am tired tired tired of unhealthy sex and violence being portrayed in a way that immunizes us to the wrongness of it.
I am surprised to see California going through this. I miss the days when California could be counted on to be the most tolerant state. Even here in OH there are pagan churches and the military at least accepts Wicca, who are the prisons to differ. It just seems there should be a law somewhere. And THE founding fathers were not even Christian!!!!! Weren't they Quakers? You know those wacky guys who believed in living in accordance with the Earth?
Hopefully its just another wall that Christians are putting up that will be torn down when people see the sense.
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Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:24 pm
wonderful. the religion rape by american government continues.
liberty and justice for all, my foot.
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Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 5:48 pm
Honestly, I don't think violence and sex are what is leading to the moral degradation of society, so much as it's what people blame. Studies have been done showing that aggression and violence release dopamine, which makes you feel good. It's designed to encourage us to protect that which is ours, or take that which we need to survive. It's a survival mechanism, and eons of human evolution have not gotten rid of the drive to survive. Same with desire for sex; we desire sex so that we may procreate, so our genetic material can go on. I think the real problem is people either forget or refuse to see that our actions impact everyone, and not just us. Also, fear that we might be wrong can drive us to do things that hurt others. Even if we were to censor everything, this would still be a problem because it's ultimately not the root of the issue. It's a basic human drive that has gotten blown way out of proportion.
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:52 pm
people that use violence and sex and video games and whatnot as excuses for the degredation of society are part of the problem.
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 5:10 pm
Rizu-Sensei people that use violence and sex and video games and whatnot as excuses for the degredation of society are part of the problem. Intolerance like this. Falls into the category of the Degradation of mortality. Though, statements like this. Hardly match up to the mass of intolerant Aethiests attacking religion. Which, I've seen a quite excessive increase in as of late.
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 5:33 pm
i was so shocked when i found out about this. i mean, free country right? unless you dont follow social norms, then youre a modern day leper.....
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Dsay Valentine Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:16 am
LanceCalvis Rizu-Sensei people that use violence and sex and video games and whatnot as excuses for the degredation of society are part of the problem. Intolerance like this. Falls into the category of the Degradation of mortality. Though, statements like this. Hardly match up to the mass of intolerant Aethiests attacking religion. Which, I've seen a quite excessive increase in as of late. There are just as many religious nuts attacking other religious views as there are Atheists attacking religion itself. It's always been like that, and it will probably be like that for a long time. It's because people on the whole have a hard time understanding others points of view. Not to say everyone is like that, or that it will never change, so much as that is how it has been for a long time, and given how long it's taken us to get this far, we should probably expect it to stay relatively the same. Intolerance is intolerance, no matter the flavor. Intolerance is typically caused by uncertainty, and typically that is due to uncertainty in one's own beliefs. Be they religious or otherwise (such as the belief that you are better due to ) it's usually the backbone of intolerance, along with something just being different (which goes hand in hand with the belief thing usually). Then you have those that have suffered for so long at the hands of intolerance that they themselves become what made them suffer, continuing the cycle (and it's a hard one to see, let alone break).
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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:03 am
Sanity is an illusion...So many things running through my head as I see this. Anger, outrage, fury. Horror. And oddly, amusement.
I'm obviously outraged at this blatant attempt to SEGREGATE the religions ... I mean, first tier? Second tier? It's the 1960s all over again, except that it's not the color of our skin under attack, but ... well, to plagarize Dr. King, the content of our character. Honestly, who are these people to say that, because I believe a different way than they do (and I can't say, honestly, that it's completely by choice; Christianity was what I was raised with, and it didn't ring true! Still doesn't. But the first time I read a book describing Greek Mythology, it sang to a starved part of me) that I am a SECOND-CLASS citizen, and don't deserve to be as protected or respected as they do? By this, the laws that the government has put into place saying that employers, loan-officers, landlords, sellers, police, etc cannot discriminate against someone who holds a different belief. In fact, it's not even legal to INQUIRE as to what someone believes in the course of ... well, much of anything, outside polite conversation.
So this means that they can now create a little checkbox on an employment application, on a rental application, on a loan application ... on any application, saying "Christian? Monotheist? Other?" And if you check other, they have cause to turn you down for whatever it is? That's what I'm seeing, messed up as it sounds, when they say that. "Well, I arrested him because he was a Pagan riding in the front of the bus." "I didn't stop my cab for him because he was clearly a Buddhist." "We don't hire YOUR faith here, sorry."
Yeah, that's gonna happen.
My amusement stems from the fact that someone would even attempt to USE such an argument, given how successfully it's worked for others in the past, given how hard EVERYONE with even a fraction of a brain has worked to prevent just that over the past 200+ years. And I love how these freaking morons can even PRESUME to know that THEY, and THEY ALONE, have a direct line to exactly what the Founding Fathers intended to mean when they wrote about "freedom of religion." Where's the time machine? Or have they been downing immortality elixir? Because the only way I can think of to know what was in the minds of the men who wrote the Constitution and included clauses to protect us from this BS is to have been there to ask them ...
I'm also amused at the concept of the "five faiths" there anyway. Because even within Protestantism, there are WAY more than five different faiths, depending on which branch you're talking about. After all, a Seventh-Day Adventist (which is a form of Protestantism, right?) believes very very differently than say an Episcopal (although, I've heard some argue that Episcopals are closer to Catholics than Protestants) ... who in turn has a different set of beliefs than a Quaker, who is also a Protestant. And that's just the EASY argument ... considering that they lump Native Americans into just ONE FAITH!! I've studied enough World Religion to know that a) there isn't just one Native American faith ... there are as many as there are peoples! The Cherokee believed far differently than the Navajo, who had very different beliefs than the Lakota, who believed differently than the Seminole ... and even if we're only considering those native to California, how many different faiths is THAT?! And point b: um, last time I checked, a LARGE NUMBER of Native American peoples were very definitely polytheistic, although a lot of them may have believe in one SUPREME deity over all the others ... but that's nothing new in polytheism, is it? I mean, even in Greco-Roman beliefs, there was one King of the Gods: Zeus/Jupiter. The Norse: Odin. Um, I'm tired and have a backache, so my mind isn't working to remember fully all of my other World Religions, nor am I in the mood to either hit Wiki or go locate my books on them (I think they're packed right now; in the middle of a move ... ) to demonstrate all of the other examples to that argument. But you get the idea.
All right, I'm wrapping up this tl;dr, but yeah ... these guys are idiots, is my major belief at the moment! And given precedent, I don't see that they have a leg to stand on, especially considering how they seem to be contradicting themselves!!! ...created by the truly insane!
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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:10 am
Ignorant fools. When this gets to the Supreme Court they will all feel SO stupid. If they win though, I'm not going to say I won't 'forget' the Law of Return.
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