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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 5:32 pm


So because there'll likely be several different "homosexuality" topics I've created a blanket one. Things you can discuss here:

Generally. Basically, homosexuality in general. What causes it, what you think about it, whether it's a sin or not.

Gay Marriage. Do you think gays should be allowed to marry? Why or why not? Also, the various issues regarding gay marriage right now such as prop 8 and whatnot.

Gay Adoption. Should gays be allowed to adopt children? Is it bad for the children for them to do so?

Gays in the Military. Should gays be allowed to serve in the military?

And anything else you can think of that falls under this topic. Basically, this is just a big gay debate. wink

I'll post my opinions soon once we get some posts here.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 7:21 am


Sockers
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Gay Marriage.
Gay Adoption.


I would never say that someone following their heart is sinful. I actually believe that America is in the wrong for trying to ban them. Since (to me) it kinda' falls under their beliefs, I think that it is more of an issue of religion rather than anything else... Even the anti-gays say they are trying to fight for the "sanctity" of marriage. To me, it's a breech of separation of church and state. I find it very sad that America still clings to a Victorian mindset all the while letting those that are within their own group flaunt everything they have.

I also get very annoyed with people who think making fun of transsexuals is funny. It's their lives, their choice, leave them alone.

People just try to find ways to be superior to others. It's not like they even know these people individually, so it can't endanger the 'sanctity' of their respective marriages. I think it's because of the way they live. Most Americans don't have nearly as much as they want or don't live as comfortably as they'd like. They really have nothing in some cases. What better an ego booster for some than to find ways to control and belittle another group? They did it with Slavery, Women's Rights, Ethnic Rights, and now their on to Gay and Lesbian because all the others are now protected by law. "I have nothing, I barely have a word in the government, so you know what? I'm going to attack this group over there because they're different. And you know what? It feels divine.

Sockers
Gays in the Military. Should gays be allowed to serve in the military?


Gays are allowed in the military. They're just not allowed to be open about it. I think that might be a good thing currently.... with as homophobic as a lot of those people are, the gays would probably be lynched in their sleep if they were out about it.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 7:25 am


Sockers
Generally. Basically, homosexuality in general. What causes it, what you think about it, whether it's a sin or not.
it is a sin as much as the next thing... we're all going to hell until we stop killing pigs... I bet swine flu is a hint 3nodding
Sockers
Gay Marriage. Do you think gays should be allowed to marry? Why or why not? Also, the various issues regarding gay marriage right now such as prop 8 and whatnot.
Yes... because marriage has social benefits other than a plain religious ritual... if the law can say two guys can't have an account in both their names because they both have a p***s, then it's only habit that allows a man and woman to have one...
Sockers
Gay Adoption. Should gays be allowed to adopt children? Is it bad for the children for them to do so?
having two dads/mothers is better than having none at all...
Sockers
Gays in the Military. Should gays be allowed to serve in the military?
yes... the military isn't about love or sex... it shouldn't matter who you're attracted to when doing orders...
PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 7:58 am


I think right now we're in transition. Just like the feminist movement, the gay movement will prevail in the end. They're on their way there, but it's not yet finished.
I think people who have a problem with homosexuality need to mind their own damn business. They deserve just the same rights as anybody else - if you don't think that's a good thing to do, well great for you, but keep it to yourself and let people do whatever it is they want to do with their lives - no one is hurt here. There's no reason they shouldn't get the same benefits straight people get.

What I actually don't like though, is some of the gay pride protest that's no more about striving for their rights, just about being a little too open about sexuality in public. I don't think dancing in the streets in your underwear is really protest, and as it might be fun, some people don't really like seeing it and I can understand that. This doesn't shed very good light on homosexuality in the eyes of many people.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 8:00 am


Generally. My general belief is that (1) the Earth is heavily overpopulated by humans and homosexuality is a peaceful alternative to genocide and things like China's population control laws and (2) most homosexuals don't choose to be so, they're born with it. Therefore discriminating against someone because of sexuality is no better than racism. I've found that most people that are against homosexuality are so because either (A) we were raised being taught that being gay is one of the worst things on the face of the Earth or (B) because of religion. I can understand point B though. And since I'm agnostic I don't think it's a sin razz

Gay Marriage. Of course I think they should be allowed to marry, for the reasons stated above. Besides that, an episode of Family Guy comes to mind where they say something along the lines of "So gays shouldn't be allowed to happily marry but men and women can miserably marry?"

Gay Adoption. Since homosexuality is such a taboo right now I'd say that it's not a good idea. In an ideal world where gays weren't discriminated against it would be fine though, of course. Just saying that the kids will probably live miserable lives because they'll always be being made fun of.

Gays in the Military. Yeah why not o_0 It's your decision to join the military. And if you join the military flaunting how gay you are, that's your own foolish decision. I mean, it's not like they're going to try to rape other guys or anything like that. o_0
PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 7:01 pm


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Gays are allowed in the military. They're just not allowed to be open about it. I think that might be a good thing currently.... with as homophobic as a lot of those people are, the gays would probably be lynched in their sleep if they were out about it.


It's silly to not allow people to be in the military because they might be discriminated against. We could say the same thing about minorities or women.

I don't mind the idea of DADT, but the fact that people have been kicked out of the military just for being open about something they can't help makes my stomach churn a bit.

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Since homosexuality is such a taboo right now I'd say that it's not a good idea. In an ideal world where gays weren't discriminated against it would be fine though, of course. Just saying that the kids will probably live miserable lives because they'll always be being made fun of.


Kids are gonna get made fun of regardless of who their parents are. Kids are cruel and will find just about any reason to pick on someone. Denying a child good, stable parents because of they may or may not get picked on is just plain silly. As someone else said, two dads/moms is better than none at all.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:42 pm


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Generally. Basically, homosexuality in general. What causes it, what you think about it, whether it's a sin or not.


Fine.

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Gay Marriage. Do you think gays should be allowed to marry? Why or why not? Also, the various issues regarding gay marriage right now such as prop 8 and whatnot.


Should be legal. My husband's mum is gay and her partner lives with their family.

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Gay Adoption. Should gays be allowed to adopt children? Is it bad for the children for them to do so?


They're as fine as straight parents.

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Gays in the Military. Should gays be allowed to serve in the military?


Should be legal.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 1:10 am


All kids are made fun of for something. Your life isn't ruined because some stupid kid makes fun of you in kindergarten. If the child learns to stand up for him or her self, they won't be picked on. It's not about your background or parents, it's just about how confident you are.
On adoption - I don't know if it causes any psychological 'damage' to have two mothers or two fathers. But I don't think it should - so kids won't be socialized to become the 'conservative' male and female figures. So what? When a couple is adopting a child they're inspected to make sure they have a steady income, that they're mentally stable and can handle having a child. At least you can make sure those children can be taken care of. They'll grow up way better than some children of straight couples for sure.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 8:42 pm


It's actually been proven that psychologically, there's no difference between people with two dads/moms and people with one of each. So basically, people with gay parents are just like anyone else.
PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:10 pm


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Gay Marriage. Do you think gays should be allowed to marry? Why or why not? Also, the various issues regarding gay marriage right now such as prop 8 and whatnot.
Sure. They're human people too, and have just as much a right to marry as heterosexual couples.

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Gay Adoption. Should gays be allowed to adopt children? Is it bad for the children for them to do so?
Yes. I really don't see why they shouldn't. A gay couple can raise a child just as well as straight couples can. (I haven't seen any convincing arguments as to why they couldn't.)

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Gays in the Military. Should gays be allowed to serve in the military?
Of course! Denying them the right to serve based off of their sexual preference doesn't make any logical sense to me, plus it's messed up. You shouldn't be required to divulge any information about your sexuality though, and if you do, it shouldn't affect whether or not you are accepted. If you want to come out about it yourself you should be able to, but you shouldn't be required to tell anyone, like if you're worried that you might be harassed for it.

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