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The thing that separates real Christians from Mormons, Jehovah witnesses, etc. is religion, they are all religions that miss the true meaning of being closer to God. True Christianity is not a religion, but a relationship with a living God.

I will admit that I am a hypocrite, and that I am glad God can forgive me in my moments of hypocrisy.

I’ll erase this feeling…
I still have a long life don’t I?
kono omoi wo keshiteshimau ni ha
mada jinsei nagai deshou?

If they accept Christ as their savior and lord then they are a Christian. To be a Christian means to be like Christ. Passing judgement on other Christian's is a) not being like Christ and b) what's known as a No True Scotsman fallacy.

I ask as a member of the Crew to keep such feelings to yourself. As a follower of Christ you are asked to follow the Law of Agape and love your neighbor. Saying such ill things about your Mormon, JW, and SDA brethern is not Christ-like nor is it loving your neighbor.

As a neo-pagan I actually have no qualms with mormons, JW, or SDAs. They are actually more of the good types of Christians I've seen. Some of them like to keep people alone. You get good people and bad people with any group. Hell Christians are no different. You get your elitist Evangelicals, your cool Catholics, and your understanding non-denominationals, etc. Every religion has it's good and bad. People like focusing on the negative and not the positive, that's human nature.

But people have more so of a problem with the "Moral Majority" or as we like to call them Evangelicals. They are the loudest, most obnoxius group (that and the Westboro Church). You can say they're like the SRW fluffy bunnies of neo-pagans but they have a nastier bark and bite.

I’m missing the feeling…
so this pain is also welcomed!
natsukashiku naru
konna itami mo kangeijan

I’ll erase this feeling…
I still have a long life don’t I?
kono omoi wo keshiteshimau ni ha
mada jinsei nagai deshou?

Since Love thy neighbor became a major part of the Bible. neutral Since the Law of Agape pretty much sums up the Ten Commandments. neutral

Jesus didn't really actually offend anyone. People had a problem with what he said however he was COURTEOUS, and RESPECTFUL and used TACT when he spoke. He didn't pull whatever he said out of his bum. He thought long and hard about it. He did unto others as they did to them...in other words he judged those who judged him.

Just because you accepted Christ does not give you the right to judge others. You are not sinless. You are not sinless. So drop your stones or I'll make you drop them.

The Church was built to be a uniting force for people in trouble. She was supposed to hear her children's cries. To console them for when the time came. Centuries past and the Protestant Reformation destroyed her and seperated her. It divided her children amongst each other and caused them to take up swords. Fighting over who is right and who is wrong like mere lost misguided children. Even today the Church weeps and prays for the day her children lay down their weapons and become a united force again.

Christ took the members of the 12 divided tribes and united them under him. Sure Christ may have divided some people but his sole goal was to unite him under God. That's the whole point of Christianity. Ever since the division of the Church, it has become perverted and corrupted. No one gets alone and no one realizes that they're on the same freaking side. Why do you think so many people leave Christianity? Because everyone's sick of the freaking fighting!

You would think after 400 years of fighting people would just kiss and make up...but noooo that never happens. neutral

I’m missing the feeling…
so this pain is also welcomed!
natsukashiku naru
konna itami mo kangeijan

Love does not equal tolerance. If I did not love, I would let them continue in their unbiblical practices and beliefs. But I do love. Agape is sacrificial love, and believe me, it is a sacrifice to stand against the unbiblical popular teachings. It is a sacrifice to go to someone I care about and say "You can't do this!" or "The Bible doesn't teach this! Why then do you believe it? Change!"

Jesus was respectful? Yes, but not all the time. Turn to the book of John with me, will you? Read Chapter 2, 13-25. He took made a scourge and beat the people out of his Father's house. He yelled at them. That was neither courteous, respectful, or tactful. He called them sons of the devil. Let's quote. John 8:44 "You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire." He said that to their faces.

See my hands? There are no stones. But there is a sword - The Word of God.



I do not rebuke out of hate. Neither am I unaware of my own sins and faults. The very sword I hold in my hands cuts me every bit as deep as it does any other.


I am not a son of the Church! I am a son of God. If that church would teach the scriptures and renounce its unbiblical traditions, I would join it. We're not all on the same side. Not all who cry "Abba! Father!" will be allowed into Heaven. There will be some who will say "Did we not cast out demons in your Name? Did we not perform miracles in your name?" He will say to them "I never knew you."

A pastor is a shephard too. Some men have indeed been called to care for the flock, and care I will. Even if it means offending. Even if it means being hated. Even if it means I have to stand before you all and preach against my own sin! The sins I have comitted are the ones I can speak best about, because I know them. I know what it is like to fight them and live with them and suffer through them. Yeah, I did it. But Christ has forgiven me. When the day comes, I will be able to stand before Him as if I had never sinned. The same is true for many Christians, but is not true for all who claim to be Christian.

Do you know my pastor? Do you know he is corrupt? Do you know all pastors are corrupt? Hell, while we're at it, Paul was a sinner too. Maybe we should disregard everything he said. Oh, and Peter was too. Betrayed Christ, committed the hypocracy of refusing to eat with Gentile Christians while the Jewish Christians were around.

The very word pastor means shephard! It is a Biblically established position of authority in the Church. Some are bad, for sure. But there are many who are not, and these men do God's work. They teach the Word, as they are supposed to do. They can use the scriptures to rebuke and guide erring Christians back to the right path. I've provided two passages supporting this. It is my duty to my brothers and sisters in Christ to correct them with they sin, and their duty to correct me when I sin.

Jesus is the ultimate pastor and judge. I'll not argue on that. But there are men that he has intrusted the flock to. Would you rather I shut my mouth and let people go to Hell for their unbiblical beliefs and practices? Just let them clap their hands happily as they rush on to Hell? There would be nothing more contrary to the nature of a shephard, or a loving person, than that. The Bible does not call me to be tolerant. It calls me to take a stand.

Being forgiven makes me more suspectible to sin? How so? Being forgiven, dying with Christ in baptism frees me from that sin. I can speak about sin. I've been commanded to speak about sin. Did not Saul hunt down Christians and kill them and jail them before he was Paul? What makes him any different from us? He sinned, I sinned, and yet God, in His infinite grace and mercy, still grants it to us to be called servants of the Host High.

Go ahead. Prove, Biblically, that men shouldn't be shephards. Prove, Biblically, that we can't use our knowledge of scriptures to rebuke and help our brothers back to God.

The problem here is simple; Lady Tsukiyo, you are judging us on our behavior towards JWs, mormans, and SDAs. Simply stated you are outside the church, you have no right to judge us inside, but God told us not to judge those outside, but told us specifically to correct the people who claim to be Christian.



You shouldn't be so fast to judge, especially if that accusation is that we are judging others wrongfully.

I’ll erase this feeling…
I still have a long life don’t I?
kono omoi wo keshiteshimau ni ha
mada jinsei nagai deshou?

I don't know much about them honestly. I can't really make a call about them because I have observed them like I've observed Catholics, Evangelicals, etc. The couple Mormons I do know haven't really made the claim that their religion is the true one. It hasn't been brought to my attention (which can be usually on everything but the task at hand razz )

But being brought up Catholic, and even exclaiming Catholic (which now I realize I can't do because I never did my confirmation) that people would claim I'm a lost soul and would go to hell if I didn't become an Evangelical. I can sympathize and empathize with other "lost souls" because of how I was then because hearing those words that you're in the wrong crowd right really does hurt and does impact you in a big negative way. I was really crushed hearing that because I did accept Jesus that I was some evil thing. I wanted to actually commit suicide. I was not my best then. (I was also going through a bad relationship not a combination). It made my already low self-esteem crumble.

It's great you notice some not so kosher things with them. But you have to realize that everyone does things differently. Catholics are more practice orientated. Baptists are more belief orientated. What we practice is different than what really believe. Which is what I'm stressing in my last couple posts. It doesn't matter what you do with your faith, it doesn't matter what you call yourself. All that matters in an orthodoxic faith (Right to believe) is what you believe. If they all believe in YHVH and Yeshua (Jesus) then they're Christian. And that's all that should really matter.

I’m missing the feeling…
so this pain is also welcomed!
natsukashiku naru
konna itami mo kangeijan