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whatagirlwants Vice Captain
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 Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:12 pm
So this is where we discuss gay marriage and homosexuality. please be civil what the bible says Quote: lev 18:23 “A man must not defile himself by having sex with an animal. And a woman must not offer herself to a male animal to have intercourse with it. This is a perverse act. Now that's clear I will say this I do not think homosexuality is right. It is a sin and very clear one at that. I would however vote for gay marriage because most homosexuals are not believers. They need the love of God just as much if not more than anyone else. And while I would absolutely never say you could practice homosexuality and be a Christian I would not subject those who do not believe to our law. It is like saying someone cannot graduate high school because they disrespect their parents when they do not know/ believe that what they do to disrespect them is wrong. To say that homosexuals do not have the same rights as heterosexuals would turn them away from rather than to the Lord. I believe that homosexuality like most sin is an illness that with the Lords hep and only with the Lords help can be defeated.
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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:44 am
Well.... I don't know. Homosexuality is a sin, clearly described in the Bible. However, we are not discussing that Homosexuality is a sin or not; but to vote for the marriage of it. In my own opinion, I believe it is not a good idea to vote for Gay marriages because it makes us seem like we are actually supporting them. In the Bible, it says that we need to make a solid line on where we stand and always stand on the truth, and the truth cometh by the Word of God.
Does this mean that we should not do anything about gay marriages? No, absolutely not. There are many things, like prayer and encouraging that person to seek the heart of the Lord 1st. But I am not so sure on voting though. But the way I feel it if we do vote for it, we are actually supporting the sin they are actually committing.
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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:01 am
Moved to the Discussion/Light Debates
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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 10:45 am
I will not vote for it, should the vote come to my state. (Texas.) It may or may not pass. I suspect it will, but it will be state by state. Sex and sexuality is something that is very hard to overcome. I believe that the Bible teaches that the Father will not send any trial our way that we cannot overcome with His help. In a way, I envy homosexuals, because it is a strong testament as to what kind of Christian they could be. Not everyone can overcome something like that. If they would pursue it, they could be powerful men and women, my brothers and sisters, for Christ. Quote: 24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. 26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them. Romans 1:18-32 (NKJV) There is no excuse for us, especially as children of God, not to know the Truth. Homosexuality is a sin, yes. Not only is the practice of it a sin, but the approval of it is a sin. But there are many sins, many of which from the above list I am myself guilty of, and the approval of them is also sin. Quote: 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. 1 Cor 6:9-11 (NKJV) Do not be deceived. It is not our human desires and thinkings and understandings which will get us into Heaven or please God. I am thankful that God has given us the opportunity to be washed. Otherwise, every person from time's beginning to end would be bound for Hell. Homosexuals are people too, yes. I love them and respect them because they are God's creation and might one day be a fellow brother or sister in Christ, our Lord. One can never have too many brothers and sisters. Our understanding of morality is unimportant. It only matters what God thinks. I know that homosexuality does not hurt me or cause me any harm. However, like any other false teaching, teaching that is acceptable when the scriptures say otherwise makes a mockery of my God. It insults the Lord ( not just "the Lord" but "my Lord" ) and that does anger me.
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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:12 am
VK Fox I will not vote for it, should the vote come to my state. (Texas.) It may or may not pass. I suspect it will, but it will be state by state. Sex and sexuality is something that is very hard to overcome. I believe that the Bible teaches that the Father will not send any trial our way that we cannot overcome with His help. In a way, I envy homosexuals, because it is a strong testament as to what kind of Christian they could be. Not everyone can overcome something like that. If they would pursue it, they could be powerful men and women, my brothers and sisters, for Christ. Quote: 24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. 26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them. Romans 1:18-32 (NKJV) There is no excuse for us, especially as children of God, not to know the Truth. Homosexuality is a sin, yes. Not only is the practice of it a sin, but the approval of it is a sin. But there are many sins, many of which from the above list I am myself guilty of, and the approval of them is also sin. Quote: 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. 1 Cor 6:9-11 (NKJV) Do not be deceived. It is not our human desires and thinkings and understandings which will get us into Heaven or please God. I am thankful that God has given us the opportunity to be washed. Otherwise, every person from time's beginning to end would be bound for Hell. Homosexuals are people too, yes. I love them and respect them because they are God's creation and might one day be a fellow brother or sister in Christ, our Lord. One can never have too many brothers and sisters. Our understanding of morality is unimportant. It only matters what God thinks. I know that homosexuality does not hurt me or cause me any harm. However, like any other false teaching, teaching that is acceptable when the scriptures say otherwise makes a mockery of my God. It insults the Lord ( not just "the Lord" but "my Lord" ) and that does anger me. Very well put. I don't think I have ever seen it that clear in a long time. God bless you for stating that. I also want to make a small comment about sin. Why are many people are afraid of it? Like for example "Is Homosexuality a sin?" Even when we go through the Word of God and it says clearly that it is indeed a sin, a lot of people often twist it unto their own liking. If one of the 10 commandments says "Thou shalt not be Homosexuals or to commit Homosexuality," how many would abide by the rule? They would try to argue and say that it is for that time period and it is not for us today. From my own perspective, a lot of times when the Bible says against something, people do it anyways. I believe many are over expressing the freedom that we have in Christ to do whatever they want to do. Freedom in Christ doesn't mean to have our way, but being free in Christ means to be free from sin. In my own personal testimony, I used to do that a few years ago. I was on the border between the Christian realm and the World. But I found out that I have to be either in the Kingdom of God or I will be in the World. Cannot be in both. So I stop trying to see how much liberty I have so I can make to Heaven, but I am going to do what pleases my Lord the best.
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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:42 am
Quote: For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. Gal 5:13 (NKJV) Our freedom in Christ is not a freedom to do whatever we want. The freedom that the Lord has granted us it to be used to bind ourselves to one another in love. People want to be able to do what they want to do. Sin is fun. The Bible calls us to account. It holds us responsible. It shows people what they have been doing is wrong, and they need to stop. They don't want to stop. I struggle every day with my sin, and I'll be honest, I don't want to give it up. I do want to.. well, you know what I mean. I like it too much. Because the Bible holds us responsible, they want to change what it says, or convince you it says otherwise, so that they can have justification for what they know is wrong.
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Rigormortis Metamorphosis
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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:49 am
I don't mind homosexuality. I just look at it as a test from God for the person to overcome to become stronger for God's kingdom. I have a lot of friends that are homosexual/bisexual and really I don't mind it. In fact during a drama class final my friend Cole was so nervous it was sweet to see his boyfriend just supporting him and giving him a hug letting him know that it was okay.
But even though I'm okay for it I don't think that I would vote for the marriage of same gender couples because as I said it is a test from God. Granted I know they will be so much stronger if they could just over come the sin, but I know that saying, you know what, "I'm Gay." I see that as taking so much strength because your admitting something that like religion can get you persecuted by so many.
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