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 Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 11:41 am
Isn't it weird that people say "Happy Holidays"? You KNOW they mean "Merry Christmas". Why dpn't we just say Merry Christmas? Are we gonna hurt someone's feelings? We called it Christmas before. Did anyone complain? Yeah, now they do, all because one person decided to complain to a friend saying "I don't believe in Christ." One person made Christmas be Xmas. One person made us start saying "Happy Holidays". If one person can do that, then one person can bring back "Merry Christmas". One person can bring back the true meaning of Christ mas. Capital "C"!2 Crazy Days of Christmas (Just for fun)
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Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 12:13 pm
I completely agree that we should say "Merry Christmas" but I have one thing to nit pick, Xmas was around long before someone was "offended" by Christmas, in Greek X stands for Christ, it's not taking Christ out of Christmas its a perfectly appropriate abbreviation, which is kinda funny for anyone deliberately using Xmas to not have have it refer to Christ, but I digress, X = Christ, so Xmas still means Christmas.
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Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:51 pm
haha, thats good. We should say Merry Christmas. or Xmas. Lost journeyer has made that clear... =D
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Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 7:07 pm
I’ll erase this feeling…
I still have a long life don’t I?
kono omoi wo keshiteshimau ni ha
mada jinsei nagai deshou? Except according to history Christmas is a vast cultivation of different pagan holidays and traditions roled into one holiday. Taking things like gift giving, bringing in shrubbery, closing of public offices from Saturnalia which was a week long festival. And then the celebration of the Birth or Rebirth of a Deity, ie Sol Invictus (however whether or not it was celebrated before Christianity, during the birth of Christianity or a little after the birth of Christianity, is debated by some scholars/people) However like I stated previously in another guild, do what Jesus would do. Do you honestly think he would be rude to the Jews who celebrated Hanuakah (yeah I can't spell razz ) or would he be respectful to him and religions preceding him. What people seem to forget and often neglect is that while Christ may try to proselytize or convert people but he had used a little tact when doing it. He was smart about it. In all honesty I call it Festivus. I’m missing the feeling…
so this pain is also welcomed!
natsukashiku naru
konna itami mo kangeijan
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whatagirlwants Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:42 pm
Jesus would say Merry Christmas because well look at his interactions with the jews who do not believe in the Gospels. He is not passive but more agitated, in their face. We see him has passive because that is how the Catholic church makes him out to be and many catholics beleive Anger is a sin even though Jesus God angry with the temple merchants. Jesus was actually a highly offensive indevidual because he understood that you can't make everyone happy. He even ticked them off to the point they crucified him because he proclaimed truth they didn't want to hear.
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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:31 am
froggymama89 Jesus would say Merry Christmas because well look at his interactions with the jews who do not believe in the Gospels. He is not passive but more agitated, in their face. We see him has passive because that is how the Catholic church makes him out to be and many catholics beleive Anger is a sin even though Jesus God angry with the temple merchants. Jesus was actually a highly offensive indevidual because he understood that you can't make everyone happy. He even ticked them off to the point they crucified him because he proclaimed truth they didn't want to hear. Except it's against Jewish law to celebrate your b-day. And he was a practicing Jew. However radical/liberal he was. And he wasn't offensive. And that's how Paul say him actually. And the apostles. Including Peter who was the first Pope.
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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:55 am
I am not sure too much on the backround or anything like that. But I believe it is good to say "Merry Christmas," even if the other person might get offended by it. I know it may sound harsh in that sense, but wouldn't people get offended if we are living for the Lord as well? Some people do get offended if we say "God bless you" or "Jesus loves you," which to most of us, is part of our daily conversations with each other.
For me personally, I hardly ever say, "Merry Christmas" or "Have a merry Christmas." I normally will say "Have a blessed Christmas." ^^
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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:53 am
Actually most people I know don't care what you do in your private lives as long as you keep it private. That includes me. Do what you want behind closed doors but leave me out of it. I also think religion regardless if you're Christian, Jewish, Pagan, etc should be a private and intimate matter. Not something you should make a public spectacle.
I believe even the word Merry have some sort of pagan connotation to it or it's a new twist on ritual language. In other words when neo-pagans say Merry Meet and Merry Part.
I don't get offended when people say Merry Christmas to me. We used to celebrate Christmas, but never the religious aspect. It was always the secular, consumerist version. That's just how we did things. Until last year when our dog died in Nov. We stopped celebrating, though we still give gifts. (It's also kinda hard to celebrate Christmas when there is no snow to cover all the dead stuff. emo )
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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:56 am
Also, Jesus wasn't crucifed for what he was saying. He was crucified because he broke many Jewish and Roman laws. The Jews went to Pilate to try him in court and punish him. However Pilate did cordially decline, but the Jews stated they couldn't do it because it went against their laws, so Pilate had no choice to accept. Christ's Trial and Sentence
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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:41 am
xLady Tsukiyox Actually most people I know don't care what you do in your private lives as long as you keep it private. That includes me. Do what you want behind closed doors but leave me out of it. I also think religion regardless if you're Christian, Jewish, Pagan, etc should be a private and intimate matter. Not something you should make a public spectacle. I believe even the word Merry have some sort of pagan connotation to it or it's a new twist on ritual language. In other words when neo-pagans say Merry Meet and Merry Part. I don't get offended when people say Merry Christmas to me. We used to celebrate Christmas, but never the religious aspect. It was always the secular, consumerist version. That's just how we did things. Until last year when our dog died in Nov. We stopped celebrating, though we still give gifts. (It's also kinda hard to celebrate Christmas when there is no snow to cover all the dead stuff. emo ) I am not so sure if I agree with keeping religion private. Because if that the case, there wouldn't be any great upsettings, like the welsh (sp) revival, missionaries, and even less Christians. As for my experience, my faith cannot be kept to myself. It is how I live. So this light that is in me shines out to the lost and dying world. Sure, we must not shove the Gospel down everyone's throats. But if they see our lives and the way that God wants us to live, we would draw many to Him.
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whatagirlwants Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:37 pm
xLady Tsukiyox froggymama89 Jesus would say Merry Christmas because well look at his interactions with the jews who do not believe in the Gospels. He is not passive but more agitated, in their face. We see him has passive because that is how the Catholic church makes him out to be and many catholics beleive Anger is a sin even though Jesus God angry with the temple merchants. Jesus was actually a highly offensive indevidual because he understood that you can't make everyone happy. He even ticked them off to the point they crucified him because he proclaimed truth they didn't want to hear. Except it's against Jewish law to celebrate your b-day. And he was a practicing Jew. However radical/liberal he was. And he wasn't offensive. And that's how Paul say him actually. And the apostles. Including Peter who was the first Pope.[/quote not with the intent of being rude. But he did not shut up about the truth even when it offended people. In John...I think its 5 or 6 he is telling some people that basically he is better than Abraham and they tried to stone him. However there are like another 20-30 chapters before he is crucified and in that time he proclaimed truth. So no he did not hide the truth so as not to offend. Saying Happy Holidays because you are afraid you will offend someone with Christ is sad. Would you deny him altogether so as not to offend anyone? Also Jewish law said not to work on the Sabbath but he did. He broke a lot of Jewish laws. He also stated that all law falls into two catorgories "love God" and "Love others" not celebrating your birthday falls into neither unless you are worshiping yourself above God
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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:44 pm
xLady Tsukiyox Actually most people I know don't care what you do in your private lives as long as you keep it private. That includes me. Do what you want behind closed doors but leave me out of it. I also think religion regardless if you're Christian, Jewish, Pagan, etc should be a private and intimate matter. Not something you should make a public spectacle. I believe even the word Merry have some sort of pagan connotation to it or it's a new twist on ritual language. In other words when neo-pagans say Merry Meet and Merry Part. I don't get offended when people say Merry Christmas to me. We used to celebrate Christmas, but never the religious aspect. It was always the secular, consumerist version. That's just how we did things. Until last year when our dog died in Nov. We stopped celebrating, though we still give gifts. (It's also kinda hard to celebrate Christmas when there is no snow to cover all the dead stuff. emo ) I get the feeling you are not a believer and if you are I am sorry. I know my faith is very strong...it even offends my MIL who is a Christian also. But I cannot keep my Lord and Father secret. He is an intertwined part of my life. It like keeping secret that I am a mother or wife. Christ defines who I am as a person. So it is not private but out there in the open for all to see. And I am sorry if the truth offends you but it would offend my Lord not to proclaim it.
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whatagirlwants Vice Captain
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whatagirlwants Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:47 pm
xLady Tsukiyox Also, Jesus wasn't crucifed for what he was saying. He was crucified because he broke many Jewish and Roman laws. The Jews went to Pilate to try him in court and punish him. However Pilate did cordially decline, but the Jews stated they couldn't do it because it went against their laws, so Pilate had no choice to accept. Christ's Trial and Sentenceyes but he only "broke" one law that was worthy of the death sentence. Sure he broke minor laws too but he was put to death for claiming to be God...which was the truth. It i like saying that a murderer got the death sentence for all the laws he broke since he broke into a house and stole some stuff as well as brutally slaughtering the whole family. But in actuality he is getting the death sentence for killing the whole family would receive it regardless of his other crimes.
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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:22 pm
froggymama89 xLady Tsukiyox Also, Jesus wasn't crucifed for what he was saying. He was crucified because he broke many Jewish and Roman laws. The Jews went to Pilate to try him in court and punish him. However Pilate did cordially decline, but the Jews stated they couldn't do it because it went against their laws, so Pilate had no choice to accept. Christ's Trial and Sentenceyes but he only "broke" one law that was worthy of the death sentence. Sure he broke minor laws too but he was put to death for claiming to be God...which was the truth. It i like saying that a murderer got the death sentence for all the laws he broke since he broke into a house and stole some stuff as well as brutally slaughtering the whole family. But in actuality he is getting the death sentence for killing the whole family would receive it regardless of his other crimes. I’ll erase this feeling…
I still have a long life don’t I?
kono omoi wo keshiteshimau ni ha
mada jinsei nagai deshou? Actually it seems impossible to have died by being nailed to the cross. Depending on how much blood he lost from his previous lashings could be a factor, as infection can spread and even cause organ damage, etc if left untreated. Or he could've at least contracted tetnus from the iron nails. In other words, he more than likely died due to complications, not necessarily being nailed to the cross. And killing a family is broken up into different murder statues. In other words there are different laws for homicide. There's manslaughter, 3rd degree, 2nd degree, 1st degree, negligence, abuse, etc. The death sentence isn't because the person in question killed a family, however it's because of the weight of his crimes. That and the death sentence is nothing more than revenge. (In other words, we as a modern day society are just like the Pharisees) Of course to make a point regarding Roman history, he wouldn't be the only person to say he was God or descended from God or rather a deity even. Julius Gaius Caesar was to be descended from the Goddess Venus and people associated epilepsy to a divine calling. biggrin So the reason why Pilate was apprehensive was because of his own culture's mythos regarding divinity. And don't be sorry for me because I've found my own path. I was a Christian however I felt a fake sense of happiness and I was more suicidal, and depressed as one. As a studious neo-pagan I am much happier on my path. :3 I’m missing the feeling…
so this pain is also welcomed!
natsukashiku naru
konna itami mo kangeijan
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whatagirlwants Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:35 pm
xLady Tsukiyox froggymama89 xLady Tsukiyox Also, Jesus wasn't crucifed for what he was saying. He was crucified because he broke many Jewish and Roman laws. The Jews went to Pilate to try him in court and punish him. However Pilate did cordially decline, but the Jews stated they couldn't do it because it went against their laws, so Pilate had no choice to accept. Christ's Trial and Sentenceyes but he only "broke" one law that was worthy of the death sentence. Sure he broke minor laws too but he was put to death for claiming to be God...which was the truth. It i like saying that a murderer got the death sentence for all the laws he broke since he broke into a house and stole some stuff as well as brutally slaughtering the whole family. But in actuality he is getting the death sentence for killing the whole family would receive it regardless of his other crimes. I’ll erase this feeling…
I still have a long life don’t I?
kono omoi wo keshiteshimau ni ha
mada jinsei nagai deshou? Actually it seems impossible to have died by being nailed to the cross. Depending on how much blood he lost from his previous lashings could be a factor, as infection can spread and even cause organ damage, etc if left untreated. Or he could've at least contracted tetnus from the iron nails. In other words, he more than likely died due to complications, not necessarily being nailed to the cross. And killing a family is broken up into different murder statues. In other words there are different laws for homicide. There's manslaughter, 3rd degree, 2nd degree, 1st degree, negligence, abuse, etc. The death sentence isn't because the person in question killed a family, however it's because of the weight of his crimes. That and the death sentence is nothing more than revenge. (In other words, we as a modern day society are just like the Pharisees) Of course to make a point regarding Roman history, he wouldn't be the only person to say he was God or descended from God or rather a deity even. Julius Gaius Caesar was to be descended from the Goddess Venus and people associated epilepsy to a divine calling. biggrin So the reason why Pilate was apprehensive was because of his own culture's mythos regarding divinity. And don't be sorry for me because I've found my own path. I was a Christian however I felt a fake sense of happiness and I was more suicidal, and depressed as one. As a studious neo-pagan I am much happier on my path. :3 I’m missing the feeling…
so this pain is also welcomed!
natsukashiku naru
konna itami mo kangeijan I do not believe you were truly a Christian all those who claim they were unhappy as Christians merely grew up in the church and with its rituals but never accepted Christ in their hearts but that is another topic. Crucifixion was actually a way of killing criminals, a very painful way. What kills them exactly I believe is exastion since they break the shoulders and bound the wrists. By Jewish law Jesus would be put to death because he claimed to be the newish messiah and for no other reason. The details were to nit pick. Also Pilot refused to kill Jesus because he knew he was a good man. So he had the people choose between a murderer and Jesus assuming they would let Jesus go but they chose the murderer. Also in my example I was stating under the hypothetical that he did receive the death sentence. Also here in Texas killing a whole family would get you on death row it just wouldn't get you a speed pass.
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