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Drakuli

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 2:04 pm


Quenya lessons


Ok here i am, and welcome to his lessons, if you want to be a student just tell me so i can remember you.

What is Quenya?


Quenya is one of the languages invented by J.R.R. Tolkien, the author of The Lord of The Rings. Quenya is one of the most complete languages maded by him, the other is Sindarin. The Tengwar are used to wirte them. If you want to learn Sindarin i highly recomend you to learn Quenya first, because Sindarin is part of it. Quenya is also known as High Elvish.

Students:


QuintesentialyNonsensical
FurysSIN
mizzexue
Miss Alva Nottle
frozennight
Phylex


Lesson 1: Pronunciaton.


Vowels


The vowels in Quenya are pronounced distinctly in all positions. The difference between long and short vowels lies mainly in the length, not the quality, of the sound. Long vowels are marked with an acute accent.

á = long "aaaah", as in "father"
a = short "ah", as the a in "aisle" (just a shorter version of the "ah" sound in "father")
é = long "e", as in German "Mehr" (no exact equivalent in English, but something between "ee" and "eh")
e = short "eh", as in "end"
í = long "ee", as in "machine" (or "see")
i = short "i", as in "pit"
ó = long "oooh", as in "sore"
o = short "o", as in "box"
ú = long "uuuh", as in "brute" (or "room")
u = short "u", as in "put"

A diphthong is a combination of vowels that represent a single sound. There are 6 diphtongs in Quenya: ai (as in "aisle"), au ("house"), eu (British "so"), iu ("yule"), oi ("oil"), ui ("ruin"). Vowels in all other combinations are to be pronounced separately. This, as well as final e, is often marked by dieresis (two dots). The use of dieresis is optional, and it is not used in Tengwar writing.


Consonants


Consonants
c = always pronounced as "k" ("come")
h = pronounced as "h" (hand) in the beginning of words, and as "ch" (German "Bach") between consonants. Not pronounced at all in the combinations hw, hy, hl, hr in the beginning of words.
l = always like in "let"
ng = both sounds are heard, as in "finger", not as in "singer"
r = trilled, as in Spanish, Italian, Russian and Scottish English. Not as in French.
s = always unvoiced as in "so"
y = always a consonant, pronounced like in "yes"
qu = "kw": the "u" in this combination does not count as a vowel; it is just another way to spell the "w" sound
A combination of consecutive consonants is called a consonant cluster.

Word stress


In words with two syllables, the stress falls on the first syllable.
In words with three or more syllables, the stress falls on the second to last syllable if it meets one of the following criteria:
- it contains a long vowel (long vowels are marked with an accent)
- it contains a diphthong
- it contains a short vowel followed by a consonant cluster
Otherwise, the stress falls on the third to last syllable.
Notice that, as a diphthong counts as one single sound, both vowels are stressed. This is the only case where more than one vowel can receive the stress.

Examples (names):
Manwë (2 syllables, stress on first: MAN-we)
Elerína (4 syllables, stress on second to last (long vowel): e-le-RI-na
Úlairi (3 syllables, stress on second to last (diphtong): u-LAI-ri)
Eärendur (4 syllables, stress on second to last (followed by cons. cluster): e-a-REND-ur)
Aratan (3 syllables, stress on third to last: A-ra-tan)
PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 2:10 pm


lesson 2

Plurals


The normal Quenya plural is formed by adding the ending "r" or "i" to the words.

Nouns ending in a vowel, except "ë", add "r". This also goes for words ending in the combination "ië".
Examples: orco + r > orcor (orcs), tië + r > tier (paths)

Nouns ending in just "ë" replace this final "ë" with "i".
Example: lótë > lóti (flowers)

Nouns ending in a consonant add "i".
Example: sairon + i > saironi (wizards)

The definite article

Quenya does not have any indefinite article that would correspond to "a" or "an" in English. There's only the definite article "i", meaning "the".
Example: orco ("an orc", or just "orc"), i orco ("the orc").

When translating from Quenya to English, we add the indefinite article "a" / "an" where we think it's needed!

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hazuinf

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:25 am


Is it too late to sign up? I'd love to learn this language.
It seems very interesting.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:15 am


Oh mon dieu! I am so in this class. To surprise the crap out of my friends when I can speak Quenya. Its not any geekier than Klingon.

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hazuinf

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:55 am


Lol. My friend knows Klingon.
Quenya is much less geekier than Klingon. In my opinion.
PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:14 pm


Guys tell me where i can send you a vacabulary list, i wont post it here because it is too large.

And wecome dear students.

Also here is a video of a guy singing in Quenya, i think he is the best Quenya singer in youtube.

Quenya song

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mizzexue

PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:09 pm


Ooh, I would like to learn too :3 if it's not too late to sign up ._.;
PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:55 pm


Um, can I sign up, perhaps?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:13 pm


also when you have finished this lessons just tell me so i can go on.

And welcome new students.
PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 5:21 am


I have finished the lesson!
I think. Let me get it straight.
Nouns ending in a consonant or e are pluralized by:
-(e)Replacing the e with an i
-(cons.)Adding an i at the end
Got that part.
Nouns ending in any vowel, excluding e (though not exluding ie) are pluralized by adding r to the end.
I is added as the only definite article, meaning the. There is no indefinite article.
Yey. You are a very good teacher! Sorry for the summary, but I'm writing all the lessons down in a workbook (in a simpler words and stuff than you have used), and I just wanted to make sure I'm writing it correctly.
EDIT:
You can send the vocabulary list to my e-mail address, which I'll PM to you. Thank you.

hazuinf

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hazuinf

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:21 pm


I have a question about the sound 'h' makes when between two consonants. You said it's like the 'ch' as in german 'bach'.
Is there any example of this in English? I don't know what the 'ch' in bach is supposed to sound like.
Sorry.
PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 5:44 pm


QuintesentialyNonsensical
I have a question about the sound 'h' makes when between two consonants. You said it's like the 'ch' as in german 'bach'.
Is there any example of this in English? I don't know what the 'ch' in bach is supposed to sound like.
Sorry.


It sounds like Ba-j. And ill send you the vocabulary right away.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 5:45 pm


Quenya Phrases


Here are some Phrases so you can practice the pronunciaton.

Meeting
Aiya ..... Hello (lit. Hail)
Mana esselya? ..... What is your name?
Essenya **** ..... My name is ****
Vandë omentaina! ..... Well met!
Elen síla lúmenn' omentielvo ..... A star shines upon the hour of our meeting.
Coanya ná coalya. Hantanyel an tulielya. ..... My home is your home. Thank you for coming.


Parting
Man lúmë lelyuval? ..... When will you go/leave? (lit. What time...)
Namárië ..... Farewell!
Tenn' enquetielva. ..... Until we speak again. (lit. Until our next 'speaking')
Tenn' omentielva enta! ..... See you! (lit. Until our next meeting)
Cenuvanyel rato! ..... See you later! (lit. I will see you soon)
Nírë tulë i lumessë autielyo. ..... A tear comes on your going. (lit. A tear comes in the hour of your leaving.)
Á lorë vandë!..... Sleep well!
Nai cuilelya nauva mára! ..... Live well! (lit. May your life be good!)
Nai aurelya nauva mára! ..... Have a good day ! (lit. May your day be good!)
Nai i Valar nauvar as elyë. ..... May the Valar be with you.
Nai Anar caluva tielyanna. ..... May the sun shine on your path
Merin sa haryalyë alassë. ..... Best wishes! (lit. I wish that you shall have joy)
Mára mesta! ..... Have a good trip!


Going/Coming
Sinomë ..... here
Á tulë sinomenna! ..... Come here!
Á lelyat minyavë! ..... You go first!
Lelyuvan minyavë. ..... I will go first.
Ányë hilya! ..... Follow me!
Áva ranya! / Áva mista! ..... Do not stray!
Á hauta sinomë! ..... Stop for rest here!
Á pusta! ..... Stop / Halt!
I tië ná pahta. ..... The way is shut.
Á lelya Endorenna! ..... Go to Middle-earth!
Umis polë hirë tië. ..... He is lost. (lit. He is not able to find a way.)
Manna meril lelya? ..... Where do you want to go?
Manna mínal? ..... Where do you intend to go?
Manna lelyuval? ..... Where will you go?
Manna lendelyë? ..... Where did you go?
Manen lelyuval? ..... How will you go?
Man lúmessë lelyuval? ..... When will you leave? (lit. What time...)
Mana cáral sinomë? ..... What are you doing here?
Ma andavë eruval? ..... How long will you stay? (lit. "will you stay long?")
Man lúmëo andië eruval? (lit. “which length of time will you stay?”)


Communicating
Tancavë .....Yes (lit. Certainly)
Lá ..... No (lit. no, not)
Vá ..... "I will not!" / "Do not!"
Ma quetil i lambe Eldaiva? ..... Do you speak Elvish?
Mana quentel? ..... What did you say?
Hanyan. ..... I understand.
Umin hanya. ..... I do not understand.
Antan vandanya. ..... I swear. (lit: I give my solemn promise)
Á tecë! ..... Write!
Á nyarë i nyarna! ..... Tell/recite/sing the tale!
Merin quetë. ..... I wish to speak.
Á quetë! ..... Speak!
Á lasta! ..... Listen!
Mana nalyë? ..... Who are you?
Mana carnel? ..... What did you do?
Massë i omentië? ..... Where is the meeting?
Ma merilyë tulconya? ..... Do you want my help? (lit. support)
Ma istanyel? ..... Do I know you?
Ma hanyalyen? ..... Do you understand me?
Ma nal nessa? ..... Are you young?
Ma nal linyenwa? ..... Are you old?
Man ranta nosselyo? ..... Who is part of your family?
Manna lendel? / Massë lendel? ..... Where did you travel?(to which place/where did you travel around)
Man caril tyalien? ..... What do you do for fun (play)?
Man caril mótien? ..... What do you do for work (labor)?
Massë maril? ..... Where do you live (dwell)?
Massë maruval? ..... Where will you dwell?
Man mi nosselya? ..... Who is in your family?
Ma nal halla? ..... Are you tall?
Ma nal sinta? ..... Are you short?
Manna lelyuval lairë sinassë? ..... Where will you go this summer?
Man caruval tyalien tanomë? ..... What will you do for fun there?


Polite Expressions
Hantanyel. ..... I thank thee.
Hantalë! ..... Thank/Thanks! (lit. thanksgiving)
Carna nilmen. ..... Done for friendship.
Nan alassëa núrolya. ..... I serve with joy. (lit. I am your joyful servant.)
Er titta nat. ..... Just a little thing.
Nal mára núro. Well served! ..... (lit. You are a good servant!)
Áni apsenë! ..... Forgive me!
Lá mauya nin apsene. ..... It is not necessary to forgive!
Nanyë nyérinqua. ..... I'm sad/sorry. (lit. I'm sorrowful.)
Ai, haryal nyérenya. ..... Alas, you have my expression of deep regret. (lit. You have my grief.)
Vandë carna!..... Well done!
Sailavë quétina! ..... Well said! (lit. Wisely said)
Herunya ..... My lord
Herinya ..... My lady


Mealtime
Á tulë, á matë as inyë! ..... Come and dine with me!
Á tulë, á matë ar á sucë merendo! ..... Come, eat and drink of the feast!
Apsa sina ná mára! ..... This food is delicious!
Ma merilyë yulma neno? ..... Do you want a cup of water?
Á quanta yulmanya! ..... Fill my cup!
Almiën! ..... Cheers! (lit. to good fortune)


Expressions of Love
Melinyel ..... I love you
Melmenya ..... My love
Meldanya ..... My dear


Celebrations / Holidays / Anniversaries
Alassëa nosta! ..... Happy birthday!
Alassëa merendë! ..... Season's greetings! (lit. Joyous feast!)
Alassëa Vinyarië! ..... Happy New Year!
Alassëa Melmeré! ..... Happy Valentine's Day! (lit. Joyous Day of Love)
Alassëa Hristomerendë! ..... Merry Christmas! (lit. Joyous Feast of Christ)


Inspiration
Á carë tittë nati alta melmenen. ..... Do small things with great love.
Na i ahië ya meril cenë Ambaressë. ..... Be the change you wish to see in the world.
Ánin anta estelya. ..... Trust me (lit. Give your trust to me.)
Nilmë ná ve lótë ya losta tennoio. ..... Friendship is like a flower that blooms forever.


Arguing / Debate
Áva quetë! ..... Do not speak!
Áva tinta ormë ilfirin óressë! ..... Do not kindle anger in an immortal heart!
Ai merin carna qua, inyë caruva. ..... If I want something done, I'll do it myself.
Haryal úruva fëa! ..... You have a fiery spirit!


Insults
Á lasta lalienya! ..... Listen to my laughter!
Holmelya ná ve orco! ..... Your smell is like an orc!


Time
Eru cuilessë ..... Once in a lifetime
Andavë yá ..... Long ago
Sí ..... Now


Questions
Man? ..... Who?
Massë? ..... Where?
Man? / Mana? ..... What?
Manen? ..... How?
Man lúmessë? ..... When? (lit. At what time?)
As man? ..... With whom?


Exclamations
Yallumë! ..... At last!
Ela! ..... Look!
Ai! ..... Ah! / Alas!


Fear & Danger
Á pusta! ..... Stop / Halt!
Áva rucë! ..... Fear not! / Don't worry!
Á rucë! ..... Flee!
Á nurta! ..... Hide!


Fighting / Battle
Urqui túlar! ..... Orcs are coming!
Á mahta tenna qualmë!..... Fight to the death!
Haryuvalvë túrë! ..... We will defeat them! (lit. we will have victory)
Qualmë cotumonyain! ..... Death to our foes!
Qualmë urquin! ..... Death to the orcs!
Qualmë cotumoin Eldaliéva! ..... Death to the foes of the elves!
Á urya cálë! Á rucë mórë! ..... Flame light! Flee night!
Auta i lóme! Aurë entuluva! ..... The night is passing! Day shall come again!
Á nehta te! ..... Kill them!
Á mapa te! ..... Sieze them!
Á nutë te! ..... Bind them !
Áva nehta ta. ..... Don't kill it!


Miscellaneous
Heru i Million ..... Lord of the Rings
Á norë roccolya...... Ride your horse.
Sinomë mettassë, i metta ilyë nation...... Here at the end, the end of all things.
Úmin merë ta. ..... I don't want it.
Á hára! ..... Sit down!
Nárendur ..... Servant of Fire
Á tíra cotumolya. ..... Face your foe.
Á tulta tuolya. ..... Summon forth your strength
An mauya mahta ..... For you must fight
PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 11:31 am


I want to be a Quenya student.
I was going to teach myself a long time ago, but I quit.
Now all I remember is the imperative.

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