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 Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:26 pm
Velkommen hit!This site has audio for pronunciation among other thingsAnd if any of you were wondering, the textbook I'm copying out of is Norsk Nordmenn og Norge... Also, a Norsk teacher decided to make her own textbook also. You can buy her textbooks Here and apparently the audio files for that book set can be found Heresomewhere. Ready? Here we go! Norsk English God dag./Morn.. . . Good day/Morning Jeg heter ________.. . . My name is ________. Hva heter han?. . . What is HIS name? Hva heter hun?. . . What is HER name? han . . hun . . . he/him . . she/her Heter du Hans? . . .Is your name Hans? du . . .you Nei, jeg heter ikke Hans.. . . No, I am not called Hans. Nei . . ikke . . jeg. . . No . . not . .I Hvor er du fra?
Hvor han fra?
Hvor hun fra? . . .Where do you/he/she live? Jeg er fra _____.. . . I live in _____. Er hun fra Norge? . . .Does he live in Norway? Ja, hun er fra Norge. . . Yes, she lives in Norway. Nei, hun er ikke fra Norge.. . . No, she is not from Norway. It seems simple yes and no questions are like German In a simple statement it's subject and then verb ( Jeg er fra Amerika.) and with simple yes and no questions, the verb comes first followed by the subject ( Er hun fra Norge?) Things to really remember: jeg. . . I/me du. . .you han. . .him hun. . .her ..And that's probably enough for one post. xp
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Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 7:14 pm
A youtube playlist with good material on Norsk such as days of the week and simple sentences. Snakker du engelsk? . . . Speak/Chat you English? (do you speak English?) Ja, jeg snakker engelsk.
Ja, jeg snakker litt norsk. . . . Yes, I speak English/Yes, I speak a little English litt . . a little/a bit Nei, han snakker ikke norsk. . . . No, he speaks no (not) Norwegian. Hvordan har du det? . . . How are you? Bare bra, takk. . . . I'm good, thank you. (Only a good one, thanks.) Forstår du litt engelsk nå? . . . Understand you a little English, now? (you understand a little english, right?) Ja, jeg forstår litt engelsk nå. . . . Yes, I understand a little english now. Forstår du litt engelsk også? . . . Do you understand a little English also? Du snakker engelsk og du forstår engelsk. . . You speak English and you understand English. Jeg er lærer. . . . I am (a) student (this form is only for university students) Jeg er elev. . . . I am (a) student (this is used for such schools as high schools and grammar schools) Er du student? . . . Are you (a) student? Du er ikke student ennå. . . . You are not (a) student yet. Det stemmer. . . . That's right. Hva er spørsmålet? . . . Do you have a question? ************************ Other words ************************ det . . . It/that (pronoun) vi . . . We heter . . . name (verb) kommer . . . come (verb) leser . . . read (verb) skriver . . . write (verb) staver . . . spell (verb) bare . . . just (adverb) bra . . . good/well (adverb) ennå . . . yet/still (adverb) her . . . here (adverb) likeså . . . likewise (adverb) for . . . for (preposition) fra . . . from (preposition) i . . . in (preposition) og . . . and (conjunction) hva . . . what (interrogative) hvor . . . where (interrogative) hvordan . . . how (interrogative) ***************************** Phrases ***************************** det gleder megThat pleases me Hvordan har du detHow are you feeling Kunne du si det en gang tilCould you day it one more time takk for i dagthanks for today takk for nåthanks for now ha det braHave it good familien minmy family familien dinyour family det semmerthat's correct/right det er alt for i dagthat's all for today unnskuldexcuse me
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Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:29 am
Okay, today's link is for a flashcard program called BYKI. I've used this and rosetta stone both and I can tell you from experience, that this one is better. For one, it's free (at least the express version is). Two, it goes more indepth than RS, and it even has a community on their site where you can download more lists. The lists can contain words, phrases, sentences, or a mix. Most of them come with audio and some even have pictures. Parts of the exercises make you type out the English equivalent and another part makes you type out the word/phrase/ect in the target language. VERBSMost verbs in the infinitive (Non-conjugated) form end in a vowel. Usually an unstressed -e. snakke . . . Talk reise . . . Travel spørre . . . Ask fortelle . . . Tell synge . . . sing danse . . . dance gå . . . Go bo . . . live sy . . . sew Some verbs end in -s and take the -s in the infinitive also. trives . . . Thrive/do well møtes . . . meet each other treffes . . . meet up brukes . . . to be used To conjugate for the present tense: take the infinitive and add -r to the end (usually). snakke --> snakkerreise --> reiser fortelle --> fortellersynge --> synger danse --> danser gå --> går bo --> bor sy --> syr But there are exceptions: spør . . ask gjør . . do vet . . know sier . . say er . . am ....among others Also, those that end in -s do not take the -r: spises . . is eaten synes . . think møtes . . meet each other ...among others And modal auxiliaries do not take the -r: vil . . . will skal . . . shall må . . . must kan . . . can bør . . . ought tør . . . dare **Just remember that there are irregular verbs in Norsk also.
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Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:33 pm
Here's another site with a lot of links for those learning NorskWord OrderWord order is usually subject and then verb: Mannen reiser. The man travels.Subject can also be followed by verb and an object: Han leser boken.He reads the book.Further along, subject can be followed by verb, indirect object, and object: Gutten lånte min far boken.The boy lent my father the book.And finally, a subject can also be followed by verb, indirect object, object, and a prepositional phrase: (and if I selected the wrong things, tell me... I'm terrible with linguistics lingo) Jeg likte han sendte meg et brev fra min far.NegationTo make sentences (or parts of a sentence) negative. Usually, we'll use the adverb ikke or not. In main clauses, ikke comes right after the verb: Mannen kommer ikke.The man does not come. In compound sentences, ikke comes in between the auxiliary and principal verb: Jeg har ikke sett deg på mange år.I have not seen you for many years. When a personal pronoun serves as an indirect object, then ikke goes right after the personal pronoun: Han leverte henne ikke sin bok.He did n't give her his book. There's a few more examples and little rules to negation yet, but I'll save those for later. NUMBERS0 null1 en2 to3 tre4 fire5 fem6 seks7 sju8 åtte9 ni10 ti11 elleve12 tolv13 tretten14 fjorten15 femten16 seksten17 sytten18 atten19 nitten20 tjue21 tjueen22 tjueto. . . . Notice the pattern here? 20+2=22 30 tretti40 førti50 femti60 seksti70 sytti80 åtti90 nitti100 (et) hundre300 tre hundre110 hundre og ti . . . Hundred and ten 1000 (et) tusen5000 fem tusen*********************** END for now.
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Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:52 pm
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Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:44 pm
Yay! Er.. takk! ..? (not sure how to say thank you properly, so I just took the takk out of takk for i dag)
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Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:53 pm
mizzexue Yay! Er.. takk! ..? (not sure how to say thank you properly, so I just took the takk out of takk for i dag) Takk is correct :3
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Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 8:04 pm
No link for this lesson.
God dag! Er du student? . . . Good day! Are you (a) (university) student?
Nei, jeg er elev, men Jimmy er student. Han studerer ved et universitet. . . . No, I am (a) (high school) student, but Jimmy is (a) student. He studies at the university.
Hva studerer han? . . . What does he study?
Han studerer kjemi og biologi. . . He studies chemistry and biology.
Og hva lærer du her på skolen? . . And what do you study here at school? (notice that this is different than the verb used for university study)
Jeg lærer norsk, engelsk og historie. . . I study Norwegian, English, and History.
En elev går på skolen. A (high school or lower) student goes to school.
En student studerer ved universitetet. . . A (university) student studies at (a/the) university.
Norsk has three genders for nouns, masculine, neuter, and feminine. Memorize them as you come to them.
Some Masculine nouns are 'en' words, such as en skole.
Some Neuter nouns are 'et' words, such as et kontor (an office).
Some Feminine nouns are 'ei' words, such as ei bløtkake (cream layer cake).
Har du en jobb? . . . Do you have a job?
Nei, jeg har ikke det. . . . No, I don't have (a job).
Unnskyld, jeg forstår ikke. . . . Excuse me, I don't understand.
Kunne du si det en gang til? . . . Could you say it one more time?
The two ways to say yes. When saying yes to a positive question (Snakker du norsk?) you say Ja. But, when you are saying yes to a negative question (Snakker du ikke norsk?) you use Jo. To say no to either type of question, you just use Nei.
And now for a reading exercise....
Bjørn, Frank og Anne
Bjørg er student. Han kommer fra Bergen, men han har vært i Amerika; han var i Chicago. Han studerer norsk og engelsk, og han liker å være student. Han er tjuefire år gammel.
Frank kommer fra Minnesota, men han er i Norge nå. Han liker å være der. Han er ikke student, han arbeider på et kontor. Han er tjueto år gammel.
Anne er tjuetre år gammel. Hun kommer fra Amerika og hun er i Amerika nå. Hun var student før, men hun har en jobb nå. Hun arbeider på en fabrikk. Hun har ikke vært i Norge... ennå.
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Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 8:25 pm
Could you put up alphabet and pronunciation? That'd be great. biggrin
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Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 10:07 pm
Sockers Could you put up alphabet and pronunciation? That'd be great. biggrin Oh, I had that link in the first post to Omniglot that has the pronunciation. I like to use them because they also have audio with it. This is the linkbut.... I can post here too. just know that Omniglot does it better and has audio. Æ .. . . . like w oah without the w sound Ø . . . . . like the u in under Å . . . .. like the -a in at (Thank you youtube)A . . . . ah as in wh at B . . . . . . The usual b sound... bat, bug, better C . . . . . . (I'm having a really hard time finding this pronunciation) D . . . . . . simple D sound... not as pronounced though.. good, would E . . . . . . . eh as in bed, wedding, medical F . . . . . . . simple f sound, find, flood, finkle G . . . . . . . g sound. giggle, give, grave H . . . . . . . lots of times, it's hardly (or not) pronounced. Like hour. when pronounced, like ha, help I . . . . . . . . -ee like... we or seed J . . . . .. . . y sound like in yes K . . . . . . . . simple k sound. kipper, king L . . . . . . . . . light L sound. almost sounds like hl. M . . . . . . . . .m sound. mom, movie, milk N .. . . . . . . .N sound. nice, noble, new O . . . . . . . . ooo sound... oew... doesn't have an english equivelent Take a listenP . . . . . . . . . . p sound. part, plow Q . . . . . . . . . K sound. quarter (yes, there's a k sound in that), qntal R . . . . . . . . . . rolled R sound.. very hard to describe in English. Take a listenS . . . . . . . . . s sound. silver, silly, slum T . . . . . . . . . . T sound. not, what, time U . . . . . . . . . . true oo sound. food, wood, book V . . . . . . . . . . v sound. Vader vault, vandal W . . . . . . . . . . v sound. ^ ^^ ^ X . . . . . . . . . s, sk. kinda' like in six Y . . . . . . . . . . y sound... (yard, yolk) this is a little harsher than the ja sound. Z . . . . . . . . . not like the english z sound. more like the german one. -ts sound whats, wits, fits ~End~
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Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:36 pm
Sorry for anyone waiting for the next Norsk lesson. I'll try and put one up tomorrow... I'm in the middle of finals week and I work in retail... I'm hardly ever home!
...And this will also be posted in the Finnish thread..
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Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:56 am
Arbeider du her? . . . .. . . Do you work here?
her . . . . . . .. here
Går du på skole? . . . . . . . .Yesterday,(where) you at school?
Går. . . . . . . . . yesterday
Hvor gammel er du? . . . . . . . How old are you?
gammel . . . . . . old
Jeg er sytten år gammel. . . . . . . I am 17 year(s) old.
år . . . . . . . year
Sover du? . . . . . (are) you sleeping?
Sove. . . . .. . . . . sleep
Ickky grammar stuff
Verbs.... ick.
The principal parts of verbs are infinitive, present tense, past tense, and participle.
The participle combines with har to make the present perfect tense.
The principal parts of å være translate to these:
å være . . . . .to be
er . . . . . . .is, am, are
var . . . . . . was, were
har vært . . . . . have, has been
When dealing with phrases that have more than one verb, only the one that comes first after the subject (the conjugated one) that is moved to make a question:
Du har vært her.
Har du vært her?
When dealing with ikke and multiple verbs, ikke goes after the conjugated verb:
Jeg har ikke vært student.
Nouns .... this time with the indefinite articles Abstract nouns have their article in parentheses.
(en) biologi
en dag
en elev
en fabrikk
(en) historie
en jobb
(en) kjemi
en skole
en student
et kontor . . . . . office
et spøsmål . . . . . . question
et universitet
et år . . . . year
jaså . . . . . . (phrase) is that so
Now for some hard practice
I'm going to post an exert from a book. There will be no translation. Many words have not been covered either. This was a book written in Norsk for Nordmenn (or at least I think it is... it was printed in Oslo razz ). So, if you feel up to the challenge, find yourself a dictionary, and try reading this opening part. The book is a biography for the composer Franz Liszt.
Neppe nogen kunstner har utøvd slikt trylleri over sin samtid som Franz Liszt, over menn som over kvinner. Han er næsten blitt en sagnhelt; der er hundreder av anekdoter og historier om ham. Det var ikke alene kunstneren, pianisten, virtuosen med den fabelaktige teknikk som tryllebandt menneskene; hele hans strålende, geniale personlighet lyste i eventyrets glans. I alle land og i alle kretser.
Som en konge blev han hyldet av tusener hvor han drog frem, og til hans hjem strømmet kunstnere fra alle land for å få spille for ham og frå nyte godt av hans verdifulle råd. Å kunne sette ved sitt navn: elev av Liszt var høidepunktet av lykke for en pianist.
~End razz
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Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 12:22 pm
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Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:44 pm
en avis . . . . . .newspaper
en blyant . . . . . . .pencil
en butikk . . . . . . . .shop/store
en ekspeditør . . . . . . . salesman/clerk
en krone . . . . . . . . crown (currency)
en linjal . . . . . . . . ruler (as in the stick you measure with)
en penn . . . . . . . . . pen
(et) papir . . . . . . . . . paper
(et) skrivepapir . . . . . writing paper
et viskelær . . . . . . . . eraser
penger . . . . . . . . .. money
øre . . . . . . . . . . coin (currency)
Here's some new ways to say hello.
God dag. Takk for sist.
Good day. Thanks for the last time. (as in the last time you were together)
God dag. Takk for i går.
good day. Thanks for yesterday.
And some other phrases now.
Jeg har en penn.
I have a pen.
Hva trenger du?
What do you need?
å jaså
oh really
vær så god
would you be so kind
mange takk
many thanks
Hvor mye blir det?
How much will that be?
det blir...
that comes to....
et øyeblikk
just a moment
alt dette
all this
ha det
bye, so long
i går
yesterday
i butikken
at the store
hva betyr det
what means that
Yes, this lesson is mainly a large vocab dump...
But I'll still explain some of that ikky grammar stuff...
Ikky Grammar stuff
Nouns have definite and indefinite forms. Indefinite articles in English are words like 'a' or 'an' and the definite article is 'the'. In Norsk, it depends on gender. The three definite articles are 'en', 'ei'. and 'et' (masculine, feminine, and neutral) and the definite article is actually an ending.
en penn becomes pennen
en blyant becomes blyanten
en avis becomes avisen
et spørsmål becomes spørsmålet
et viskelær becomes viskelæret
et kontor becomes kontoret
Feminine will be taken up later.
Another thing
This has to to with the words hva, hvor, hvordan.
Hva means what, and it is always that definition.
Hvor has two different definitions, depending on what it is in front of.
When in front of a verb hvor means WHERE.
When in front of an adjective or adverb hvor means HOW.
Hvordan is used in front of verbs when you want to ask HOW.
And now a small list of new verbs
betyr. . . . . . means (definition)
kjøper . . . . . .buy
koster . . . . . . cost
trenger . . . ... need
And now for some more hard practice
This is from the same book.
Det var ute på de ungarske stepper at Franz Liszt levet sin første barndom. Hans far, Adam Liszt, var forvalter for nogen av den store magnat Esterhazys umåtelige godser. Han hadde tidligere levet i en liten by, Eisenstadt, men var flyttet til den lille landsby Raiding som lå flere mil borte fra nogen større by, var bare bebodd av fattige bønder.
I Eisenstadt hadde det vært livlig, der var han blitt invitert til den meget musilalske fyrst Esterhazys soiréer hvor tidens berømteste musiker, Haydn, og pianisten Hummel -- Mozarts yndlingselev -- kastet glans over aftenen.
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Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:11 am
noen . . . . . any
med. . . . . . . with
til . . . . . . . to/for/of
på. . . . . . . . at
andre . . . . . . other
javel . . . . . . . okay/I see
alltid . . . . . . .always
best . . . . . . . best
sammen . . . . . . . together
videre . . . . . . . . further
de . . . . . . . . .they
dem . . . . . . . them
en familie . . . . . . . family
en gutt . . . . . . . . . boy
en pike . . . . . . . . girl
ei jente . . . . . . . . girl
en gang . . . . . . . . time
en klasse . . . . . .. class
en time . . . . . . .class period
en norsktime . . . . . Norwegian period
i dag . . . . . . . today
i går . . . . . . . .yesterday
i morgen . . . . . . tomorrow
et værelse. . . . . . . room
et klasseværelse . . . . . classroom
en vegg . . . . . .. wall
et vindu . . . . . . . window
ei dør . . . . . . . .door
et golv . . . . . . . . floor
et tak . . . . . . . . ceiling
et taklys . . . . . . ceiling lights
en pult . . . . . . . .student desk
en stol . . . . . . . .chair
et bilde . . . . . . . picture
et kritt . . . . . . . . chalk
et skrivebord . . . . . . computer desk
ei klokke . . . . . . . clock
ei tavle . . . . . . . . . blackboard
et bord . . . . . . . . table
første . . . . . . . first
annen . . . . . . . second
tredje . . . . . . . . third
fjerde . . . . . . . fourth
femte . . . . . . . .fifth
timen er ikke slutt ennå
Class is not over yet
ikke sant
not time?
vi leser sammen
we read together
det var bra
that is good
det er
it is/ that is/ there is (are)
Now that we have the major vocab dump out of the way...
Grammar stuff
This time we'll go over plurals and finally those feminine nouns.... and hopefully Gaia lets me post this whole thing in one post!
Plurals are not that difficult.... But there is some different forms, so pay attention.
en gutt is 'a boy'. The plural of 'boy' is 'boys' or gutten
BUT
gutter is 'the boy'. The plural would then be 'the boys' or guttene
See the difference?
The first word for girl (en pike) will follow this rule...
en pike ----> piken
piker ------> pikene
This word, while taking of a feminine entity, is not a feminine noun and so follows the non-feminine rule.
So, the main point is:
*the main plural ending for indefinite nouns (masculine and neutral) is -er
*the main plural ending for definite nouns(masculine and neutral) is -ene
*Nouns ending with an unstressed '-e' drop it before adding the ending as seen in the word pikene... meaning that it dropped an 'e' before adding an '-ene'. Don't try to write it as pikeene because that is wrong.
Feminine Nouns
Feminine act a little differently than the masculine and neutral nouns. The first difference is when you go from indefinite article to definite ending (going from 'a thing' to 'the thing').
ei dør is a door. The definite is døra.
see? you add an '-a] to the end to make the definite (singular) form of the word.
This is a fun example if you know any little kids that love Dora the Explorer and it is driving you nuts. Just remember that you'd like to slam the door in døra's face.
Pluraling isn't actually that different for feminine nouns.
We'll use 'door' as an example again.
ei dør ----> dører
døra ----> dørene
or another example:
(clock)
ei klokke -----> klokker
klokka -------> klokkene
Notice though, they drop the definite suffix to make the definite plural ('the door' to 'the doors').
One last grammar note
der er and det er may both mean 'there is' or 'there are' in English, but they have two different meanings in norsk. Det er establishes the existance of something (det er tre stoler i værelset meaning that chairs actually exist somewhere in the room) and der er points to an exact location (der er stolene shows that the chairs are there, that exact point).
Reading Practice
Det er fire vegger, to vinduer, et tak og et golv i klasseværelset. Det er også er dør og ei tavle der. Læreren skriver på tavla med kritt, og elevene leser ei bok. Boka er på norsk. Det er åtte gutter og fjorten jenter i klassen. Elevene ser på klokka, men timen er ikke slutt ennå. Læreren skriver videre. Elevene sukker og leser videre.
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