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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:14 am


Note: I am no longer doing French lessons! S3bbysnorlax has taken over for me. Please contact him if you're interested in this language.

Introduction à Français

Introduction to French


Ah, French. The language of love. French is currently spoken in 29 different countries, with 467 million total speakers, being the 9th most spoken language in the world as a first language, and the 4th most spoken language overall. There is a certain undeniable mystique to French. At some point in history, it was the norm for the upper-class to speak a variety of old French (Norman French), while the lower-classes and peasants spoke an Anglo-Saxon language. This opinion hasn't changed much over the years, with most people viewing French as a very classy, mysterious and sensual language.

French is a Romance language, having roots in Latin and closely related to Spanish, Portuguese, Spanish, Romanian and Catalan and many minority languages. While French may seem a bit overwhelming at first for a native English speaker, many of our words have their roots in French; you will likely be surprised by how many words you recognise.

French is, obviously, the official language of France but also spoken in Canada, Belgium, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Monaco, Congo and many other parts of Africa, and an unofficial language of even more. France is an extremely beautiful country, most known for Paris. Paris is a city that's absolutely bustling with culture, and gets the most tourists out of any city in the world.

Une Note

A Note


I am not a native French speaker, and I do not speak it on a daily basis. I am still learning it myself. While I know enough to teach the basics, I am nowhere near perfection. Any native or advanced speakers that would like to help are more than willing to do so. Basically, feel free to correct me. sweatdrop Also, feel free to practice your newly learned French on this board, or PM me if you have any questions or what-have-you.

I repeat again:

I am not a native speaker, nor am I an expert.
Do not take what I say as 100% fact. In some cases, I may be a dirty liar. I'd also love it if people volunteered to help me teach French here, especially for the more advanced things.

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These are people also willing to help you with your French, so contact them if I'm not around/don't know the answer.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:25 am


Prononciation et L'alphabet

Pronunciation and Alphabet


French sounds and alphabet with their English sound counterparts. If you have any better examples of these, please let me know.

A - father
AI - pain
AU - taupe
B - baby
C - can or ceiling
Ç - façade
CH - champagne
D - dad
E, EU - kind of an "ew" sound. "De trop" is the example given on one website, and I can't find much better than that. Tell me if you have a better example of this.
É - fiancé
È, Ê, EI - bête noire (if you have a better English example, please tell me)
EAU - as in "eau de (smell)"
F - fat
G - gag, or mirage
H - Always silent
I, Ï, Î - naive
J - deja vu
K - keep
L - little
M - mom
N - noun
O - solo
OI - "foie gras" is the example this website gives, but if anyone has a better English example that'd be fantastic.
OU - soup
P - paper
PH - phone
Q - pique
R - Similar to spanish J or Arabic KH, sort of an "H" sound
S - sassy
SC - scold or science
T - tight
TH - tea
TI - silly
U - food*
UE - suede*
UI - cuisine*
V - verve
W - very
Y - yoghurt
Z - zone

*this is an approximation, and not exact. For a lesson on "U", go here.

Props to here for giving me many a good example, because I'm terrible of thinking of examples of sounds.

IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO CLICK THIS LINK. It helps explain nasal vowels, something we don't have in English that is unique to French and very, very much something you need to know if you want to pass the amateur stage. So please, please, please click if you're serious about it.
PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:18 am


Leçon Un: Salutations et Phrases Touristiques

Lesson One: Greetings and Tourist Phrases


Let's start with the easy stuff. "Bonjour"; a phrase everyone knows. It is a formal way of saying "hello", and if you are in France it is customary to say this to everyone you meet before speaking or even after entering a room. This is pronounced "bohnjorr". It should be said in a very fast manner, angling your tongue towards the top of your mouth and slightly pursing your lips.

So let's say you are in France on a lovely little European holiday (or "vacation", if you're a non-rebellious American). Someone comes up to you and starts speaking in French. The conversation should go as follows:

Person: Bonjour.
You: Bonjour !
Person: D'où venez vous ?
You: États-Unis. Vous ?
Person: France. Comment vous appellez-vous ?
You (or, rather, me): Je m'appelle Sock. Vous ?
Person: Enchante, Sock. Je m'apelle Pierre.

This is the formal way of carrying out this conversation. We'll get to the informal way in a moment.

Now, let's dissect this dialogue. We already know what Bonjour means. But what about "D'où venez vous"?

D'où venez vous means "where are you from" or more literally, "where do you come from". So vous is, obviously, "you". États-Unis is the United States. Of course, you may not be from the United States and can substitute it with any country of your choice (you can find a list here, and find pronunciations here). As always, you want to keep your tongue angled towards the roof of your mouth, so you don't appear like an ignorant foreigner. Comment vous appellez-vous is just asking what is your name. Simple enough. So the answer for me would be "Je m'appelle Sock" (I am Sock). Of course, you'd replace "Sock" with whatever your name is, and if you don't know your own name it's probably best we stop immediately. Enchante (or with an extra e, if you're a girl) means "nice to meet you". We'll get to pronunciation later.

And now, let's do an informal version of this same conversation:

Person: Salut.
You: Salut!
Person: D'où viens-tu?
You: États-Unis. Tu?
Person: France. Comment t'appelles-tu?
You (or, rather, me): Je m'appelle Sock. Tu?
Person: Enchante, Sock. Je m'apelle Pierre.

This is a much more relaxed way of going about it. As in English, know when to be formal and when to be informal. If you are at a party, it is likely fine to use informal language. However, if you are with your co-workers, using formal language is probably best. This doesn't apply to all situations, and also a sweeping generalisation, but in general just use your common sense. Please note that "salut" can also mean "bye".

Here's another small conversation:

A: Salut !
B: Salut.
A: Ça va ?
B: Ça va. Ça va ?
A: Ça va. Tu parles anglais ?
B: Oui.

Now, we know what Salut means. "Ça va?" is an informal way of saying how are you. "Ça va" is an answer to it, meaning "not bad" or "I'm fine". The next question, "Tu parles anglais ?" is "Do you speak English?". The answer, "oui", is something we all know, and the butt of the joke for many immature Americans. Now, let's go to the formal way of carrying this conversation out:

A: Bonjour !
B: Bonjour.
A: Comment allez-vous ?
B: Pas mal. Vous?
A: Pas mal. Parlez-vous anglais ?
B: Oui.

Same conversation, but with the tone changed slightly. Other helpful phrases are "merci (beaucoup)" meaning thank you (very much), and "excusez-moi" (excuse me), "de rien" (you're welcome), and "S'il vous plaît / S'il te plaît" (please, formal/informal). There are tons I could cover, but instead check the resources for more info. Any questions or improvements you might have should be left in the comments.

Also, an index of all the things we've learned this time around, as well as helpful links:
bonjour - hello
D'où venez vous ? - where are you from (formal)
États-Unis - United States
Comment vous appellez-vous ? - what is your name (formal)
Enchante(e) - nice to meet you
Je m'appelle ___ - my name is ____
salut - hi/bye (informal)
D'où viens-tu? - where are you from (informal)
Comment t'appelles-tu? - what's your name (informal)
Ça va ? - how are you (informal)
Ça va - I'm fine (informal, when answering the above)
Tu parles anglais ? - do you speak english? (informal)
oui - yes
Comment allez-vous ? - how are you (formal)
pas mal - not bad
Parlez-vous anglais ? - do you speak english? (formal)
merci (beaucoup) - thank you (very much)
excusez-moi - excuse me
de rien - you're welcome
"S'il vous plaît - please (formal)
S'il te plaît - please (informal)

And now, resources and links to check out:
http://www.ielanguages.com/french1.html - A list of basic French day-to-day phrases.
http://french.about.com/library/listening/bl-begdialogue1-transcript.htm - beginning french dialogue transcript. Go to the bottom and you can translate or listen.
http://french.about.com/library/vocab/pays/bl-countries.htm - countries
http://www.forvo.com - language pronunciation; good for any language, not just french
http://www.smart.fm - online flashcard website. Requires sign-up. Mostly for Japanese, but has a lot of great french lessons.
http://docs.google.com/View?id=dczfq5r9_422sc2bdfm - Wraith Lord's french lesson for absolute beginners

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:43 pm


I could help teach if you want, I'm not native but I've studied it for 3 1/2 years.

...and I can give the secrets of Belgian French numbers too....muahaha
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One great resource for pronunciation is Forvo. It's a site where people record themselves pronouncing words in their native language, so if you want to know how to pronounce something in say French, you can just look it up. It's also good because you can hear more than one pronunciation for each word to see how people from different places pronounce the same words or sound sets.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:58 pm


I'd gladly let you help teach. biggrin It'd be nice to have another set of eyes in case I mess up somehow.

And yes, I linked to Forvo in my last lesson post. 3nodding

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:33 am


I r first student!

My french is basic. I can conjugate present tense verbs, and write basic sentences, for example: Le chat est noir.

I also would like to post some voice samples (no downloading necessary) As this progresses :3 Since I dont know many sounds sweatdrop
PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:59 pm


Awesome! Tell me if you'd like any help with sounds and whatnot (if you have Skype, that'd be great). I'll have another lesson up here soon, hopefully, as well. ^^

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:52 am


If I have free time, I can record a sample dialogue if you want, for teaching purposes. smile
PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:29 am


That'd be perfect! I'd really appreciate that.

Hopefully soon I'll have another lesson up, I've been a spread a bit thin with NaNo and all. Thanks for your patience sweatdrop

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:44 am


TheFluffyElf
That'd be perfect! I'd really appreciate that.

Hopefully soon I'll have another lesson up, I've been a spread a bit thin with NaNo and all. Thanks for your patience sweatdrop


Isnt NaNoWriMo drawing to an end soon?
Take your time biggrin Im not rushed at alllllll x3
PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:58 am


Uh, in a couple of weeks, give or take, on the 30th of the month. Then I'll be free again and there'll probably be a surplus of lessons up. xD

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:21 pm


This is another good website for pronunciation. ^^

http://www.languageguide.org/francais/grammar/pronunciation/
PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:27 pm


Thank you Tea! That helps a lot. Would you like to be a helper?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:32 pm


Of course! ^^

Although I only have one year of French. redface But I use it every day, and any grammatical questions I can answer with the help of my grammar book. ^^;

By the way, if anyone is looking for a French grammar book or reference, I recommend this one:

http://www.amazon.com/Comprehensive-Grammar-Blackwell-Reference-Grammars/dp/1405153857/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1258500664&sr=8-16

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