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 Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:01 am
What would happen if we set the the Ring Wraith (LOTR) against the Dementers (HP)?
I'm actually curious there, they're similar in style but also different. The ring wraiths are more... human (well they used to be men). By that I mean Dementers seem to be... sort of like animals/monsters, working from instincts and marshalled by force (wizards with patronus's can control them). Where as the ring wraith seem to be more... like people bad-guys in dark cloaks.
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:00 am
Well, seeing as how I am biased, and I hate Harry Potter, and all things related to it, I'm going to automatically say Nazgul.
As for reasons why, well, lets see...
(Silly) Reasons Why:
1. Nazgul is a cooler name.
2. Though similar, it is specifically said that the Nazgul come from the spirits of men, whereas I don't think they say where the Dementors came from. Being as such, I know where the Nazgul came from, and can find a common ground with them. They are angry spirits of humans, enslaved. If I were in their situation, I'd feel the same way, and do the same things.
3. A Nazgul actually comes within inches of killing Frodo, the main character. He is stabbed. Does anything like this ever happen to Harry in regards to a Dementor?
4. The Nazgul looked cooler in the movie. Sorry, but I had to say it.
I guess that's it. I have to say, there really isn't a comparison. Rowling is nowhere near as good a writer as Tolkien was, and I can't really take this topic seriously.
But I do seriously love your Nazgul avatar. That's what you are, right?
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:06 am
(( Yes, I am currently a Nazgul. 3nodding "Shire... Baggins..." ))
And I agree, a Nazgul would win, but I have different reasons:
The Nazgul did used to be men but have lost their humanity and have become wraiths (which in the Tolken verse is a "solid ghost" or a lingering spirit which possesses a physical form.
I believe that the Nazgul would win against a Dementor on the simple grounds that the Dementor only has power over creatures which posses emotions. The Nazgul have lost their humanity and their human emotions, ergo the Dementors won't have any effect on them.
While the Nazgul as both a physical being and a cursed spirit can inflict damage on a Dememtor.
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:15 am
See, but I'm not taking the topic seriously. Hehe. Plus, I didn't know that. I hate Harry Potter. The only actual knowledge I have on the Dementors comes from the movies, and I was not paying attention to those at all, because I was forced to watch them by people who don't understand the meaning of "I violently dislike Harry Potter." I won't touch the books, I hate the way Rowling writes, I hate the characters, I hate the storyline, and I hate the setting. I don't care if the further you get into the series, the less it is for kids. I hate the author, and I hate the aforementioned things. I won't touch (and haven't) anything past book one. I can't, on general principal. Nor do I want to.
((Hehehe... He puts on the Ring and everything goes to hell...))
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:26 am
See, I liked them both equally but for very different reasons. LotR is the kind of epic you read when you're depressed or unhappy with the world to remind that A.) it could be much much worse, and B.) that it'll always turn out alright in the end. Sam actually had a very lovely monologue that illustrates this very well and if I remembered it by heart I would quote it here, but sadly I do not. (The whole thing is full of great monologues. ) --> EDIT: I have found the Sam quote of which I spoke: Quote: I know. It's all wrong. By rights we shouldn't even be here. But we are. It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger, they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it's only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you. That meant something, even if you were too small to understand why. But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now. Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back, only they didn't. They kept going. Because they were holding on to something. <-- End EDIT HP is cute, light and fluffy (all except for three chapters in the middle of the final book). Its the kind of thing you wanna read when you want so innocent, family friendly fun. The kind of book you can read to you kids but still enjoy yourself (well, perhaps not you specifically since you seem to hate it with a venomous passion, but "you" as in a general sense). ((And now I do believe we're strayed off topic. )) xd
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:47 am
RenkonNairu See, I liked them both equally but for very different reasons. LotR is the kind of epic you read when you're depressed or unhappy with the world to remind that A.) it could be much much worse, and B.) that it'll always turn out alright in the end. Sam actually had a very lovely monologue that illustrates this very well and if I remembered it by heart I would quote it here, but sadly I do not. (The whole thing is full of great monologues. ) LotR is the kind of Epic I read when I've forgotten who I really am. LotR and The Dark Tower; two great epic series' in literature. The kind of stories I read when I need to remember my roots; when I need to be reminded of all the reasons that Life is a grand joke to be laughed at, especially when the joke is on you. The kind of Epic I need to remind me why I write, and why I, myself, adventure. Sam's monologue was, indeed, quite lovely. I wish I could remember all of it, too. It is the kind of thing that tugs at ones heartstrings in all the right places, and plays the soul a wondrous melody. There is nothing like this in Rowling's writing, there is nothing like this in many other writers works. I've always been picky as all hell, particularly about what I consider great literature, or even good. LotR is great. TDT is great. The Secret Garden is great. Hell, even the Kushiel's Legacy series is great. Narnia is great. Wild Magic and Wild Magic 2 (Wildfire) are great books. Then, in the middle, you have books by the likes of Jack Whyte, Kate Mosse, Jostien Gaarder. Good books. These are followed by books like Eragon, Harry Potter, Twilight. Books that I absolutely did not like right from sentence one, but read the whole way through because I wanted to give it a fair chance. Well, the chance was given, and the book disappointed right to the end. This is why I don't like, or in some cases violently dislike, those books. RenkonNairu HP is cute, light and fluffy (all except for three chapters in the middle of the final book). Its the kind of thing you wanna read when you want so innocent, family friendly fun. The kind of book you can read to you kids but still enjoy yourself (well, perhaps not you specifically since you seem to hate it with a venomous passion, but "you" as in a general sense). ((And now I do believe we're strayed off topic. )) xd Well, like I said, I usually say I "violently dislike" Harry Potter. I never liked the characters (with two exceptions, Sirius and Lupin), I never liked the storyline, I never liked Harry's history, I never liked the idea of the "muggles" and the "magic" being in like, separate realms of existence that are like, side by side. I never liked the main antagonist (normally, even in a horror or a thriller, I like the main antagonist. Even in LotR I liked Sauron), and I certainly never liked any of the lesser antagonists (except movie!Snape because he is Alan Rickman, and I like any character he plays by default). I never liked the lesser protagonists, the way mythical beings were protrayed was tired and over-done, the "laws" of the magic world were ridiculous, Draco is a spoiled, rotten, insolent, over-done, petty, and all together redundant character. The writing style was dry, humorless (even when trying to be the opposite), boring, and voiceless. The only thing I learned about writing from it was how not to write. I could keep going, but I think you get the point. As the girl who grew up on Goosebumps, Narnia, Tolkien, and The Secret Garden, then graduated to Stephen King at the tender age of eight, Harry Potter just doesn't do it for me. ((We-ell, technically not. We are discussing the two works involved in the original topic.))
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:55 am
Tommy Dionysus ((We-ell, technically not. We are discussing the two works involved in the original topic.)) Fair enough. We are. But I'm not going to change the thread topic because of it. In all honesty there is no real comparison between the two. They are, in fact, two completely different genres.
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:57 am
RenkonNairu Tommy Dionysus ((We-ell, technically not. We are discussing the two works involved in the original topic.)) Fair enough. We are. But I'm not going to change the thread topic because of it. In all honesty there is no real comparison between the two. They are, in fact, two completely different genres. Of course. I never suggested it, even for a second. There could never be a comparison of the two works that I would not laugh at, heartily. I merely meant that if we were off topic, it was only by an inch or so. blaugh
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:00 am
Of course, of course.
Ya know, Gollum sometimes reminds me of Voldermort. They're both selfish, treacherous, scheming and balding. xp
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:05 am
RenkonNairu Of course, of course. Ya know, Gollum sometimes reminds me of Voldermort. They're both selfish, treacherous, scheming and balding. xp Nah. He's more like a balding Lindsay Lohan. 
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:17 am
Oh my freaking gosh! You're right!! xd
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:21 am
Are you as amused and horrified by that picture as I am? - xd
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:22 am
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:31 am
Good, so it's not just me. lol
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:28 am
Nazgul win, no contest. At least it takes an epic fight and a sword through the face to defeat a Nazgul, and not a magical pretty animal made of happiness and joy or whatever.
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