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DAVlD DUCHOVNY

Cyclops

PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:59 pm


I was reading Wage, Labour, and Capital and I wasn't quite sure about the difference between Labour and Labour-power. Would anyone explain in an example more consistent to our times please? Thank you.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:03 pm


Ooerr, I came along to ask a question too and it's somewhat related so I guess I'll pop it in here.
Can anyone clarify 'social labour' for me? D:

Comrade Kotka

Shirtless Fatcat


Intermundia

PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:53 pm


Okay. Labour is the process in which human regulates, starts and controls the material reactions between themselves and nature.

Labour-Power is the combination of of mental and physical labour capabilities existing in a human being whenever they produce something of use value.

yup...
PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:09 pm


Comrade Kotka
Ooerr, I came along to ask a question too and it's somewhat related so I guess I'll pop it in here.
Can anyone clarify 'social labour' for me? D:


Social labour is as its name suggests. Labour that takes place socially. Factory work, anything that requires social interaction for that particular labour to take place.


Though I will be honest I'm not 100% sure on this one, you might want to double check with Gracchvs.

Intermundia


Le Pere Duchesne
Captain

Beloved Prophet

PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:40 pm


Who deleted my post?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:06 am


I didn't see your post! Please rewrite if you can! (Can't you look up who deleted what in that little mod panel?)

Comrade Kotka

Shirtless Fatcat


anhaesj

PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 2:31 am


waah! I don't quite understand confused
I need more study..can anyone help me? sweatdrop
PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:06 am


07miaka
waah! I don't quite understand confused
I need more study..can anyone help me? sweatdrop


Absolutely. What is it that you're not understanding?

Intermundia


DAVlD DUCHOVNY

Cyclops

PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 2:31 pm


Comrade Rob
Okay. Labour is the process in which human regulates, starts and controls the material reactions between themselves and nature.

Labour-Power is the combination of of mental and physical labour capabilities existing in a human being whenever they produce something of use value.

yup...

Thanks a bunch, that really helps. : )
PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:46 pm


Comrade Rob
Comrade Kotka
Ooerr, I came along to ask a question too and it's somewhat related so I guess I'll pop it in here.
Can anyone clarify 'social labour' for me? D:


Social labour is as its name suggests. Labour that takes place socially. Factory work, anything that requires social interaction for that particular labour to take place.


Though I will be honest I'm not 100% sure on this one, you might want to double check with Gracchvs.


Thanks for the definition, by the way. :0 Since you're not sure, I'd like someone to confirm or deny this... *silence*

Comrade Kotka

Shirtless Fatcat


Le Pere Duchesne
Captain

Beloved Prophet

PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:59 am


Labour, in short, is productive work.
Labour-power is also known as 'capacity to labour'. I think that phrase is more clear than the term 'labour-power.'

Basically, a capitalist will buy your ability to labour for a given period of time. What they have bought is not the labour you do, but the ability to direct that labour.

Kot: Strictly speaking, it is what Rob said. However, if you are asking "what do you mean when you mention Social Labour in your increasingly incomprehensible rants?" well, I use it as a term referring to the whole of production in the economy.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:00 am


07miaka
waah! I don't quite understand confused
I need more study..can anyone help me? sweatdrop

Heya, what did you not get? Maybe it can be explained a different way.

Le Pere Duchesne
Captain

Beloved Prophet

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