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 Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:22 pm
In the past, there was a debate in this guild that women should not be pastors of any church. In those days I said that I differ and I still do ^_^. Now, I want to post something that I found in a study page from my church. The topic of this study is called "Women as leader of a church". Reality is that God does use women for his glory and to lead His sheep just like he uses men because we are all equal in His eyes and prescense ^_^. Acts 2:18 says, "Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy." Hallelujah, praise the LORD... Like we, men, use our talents for the glory of God, women should too ^_^. Why would God not let someone glorify him or do his work if he can? We know, I think (and I hope or something like that) that 1Corinthians 14:34, 35 is a passage written by Paul, but it can be a little controversial because Paul's days were a little different than ours because in those times if a women was caught talking to men it would be like a disaster and a disaster isn't something really good, isn't it? ^_^ Also, I think women could not manage a reunion normally. Another verse that can talk about women is 1Timothy 2:11-15 talks about Paul's prohibition for the women to teach, but apparently, this was to the women who taught heresy (according to the study page). Almost all the debates according to women are sustained by this verses, I think... ^_^ What do you fellow brothers and sisters think? (please, please no harsh comments or fighting, keep this at christian terms and no foul vocabulary
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:56 pm
Women aren't supposed to lead men. They can still do work within the Church and glorify God while doing that work. But they are not supposed to hold the priesthood, nor be pastors. For remember that it was the women that listened to Satan, not the man. Plus, the Bible teaches that man is the head of the woman, as Christ is the Head of His Church. The Bible also teaches that the woman is the glory of the man as man is the glory of God.
Women do work that is glorifying to God. Like being good wives and mothers. They also can use their talents to help other sisters within the Church, they don't need to be pastors or hold the priesthood to do that.
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:55 am
I agree with Black Dize.
It also says in the Bible that in Christ there's no Jew or gentile, man or woman etc., meaning that God sees all of his children as equals.
Because a woman was the first one to sin, how is that in any way related to other generations of people born as females? Since the fall of humanity, all humans - as children of those who first sinned - are sinful by default, but females aren't more sinful than males.
I know that everyone can and should glorify God with their life outside of the church too - in your job, family, all aspects of life, but it irks me that E.G. mentions here primarily wives and mothers confused This way of life is not for everyone. How about, being good students, accountants, teachers, doctors, hair dresser, writers, politicians, pastors... whatever they choose and find fullfulling as their job.
And now we wonder why some unbelievers find Christianity sexist.
The cultures of the biblical times - not only the Hebrew one but also others - were very sexist. But we should not continue in that. Actually Jesus was the first one in the biblical culture who didn't conform to sexist rules against women.
[I am in the Methodist church btw; we have female pastors although not the community in my city.]
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:27 am
I don't think women should be able to be leaders in the Church congregation(i.e. being pastors, holding the priesthood). I am a Young Women's leader in my church, but I do not teach or lead the men. I specifically take care of the women. Just like in Relief Society, it is an organization of women. They are able to do charity work etc. But they do not lead the priesthood holders. That is for the males only. Being a bishop, pastor, deacon, etc. is for a male.
Yea we are all equal in God's eyes, but that doesn't mean that we, as women, are just allowed to take some thing that was meant to be the man's position, holding the priesthood.
E.G. was just examples about how women can be glorifying God. Not that being a wife and mother are the only things that women can do. You don't necessarily have to be a wife and a mother. That's not what was meant. Also that's not what was meant when it was stated that females were the first ones that sinned.
And no, humans are not sinful by default because of what Adam and Eve did in the Garden of Eden. They are sinful because of bad choices that they, themselves have made.
I doubt that biblical times were very sexist. If the bible is meant to speak to us today and God doesn't change, then shouldn't we still follow the counsel of what it says about women not having authority over the Church congregation.
And no where did Jesus say that because He came that women were allowed to hold the priesthood. He bestowed the priesthood on the 12 apostles, who were all males, and He also bestowed it on 70 other men. No where does the bible say that Christ gave women that priesthood or authority. I also am a believer in modern revelation, as with the whole of my Church, and God still hasn't revealed that women are allowed to hold the priesthood.
And I have never met an unbeliever that thought the Christianity was sexist.
But hey, if you feel that it's okay to be a pastor, whatever, that's 100% your business, but I don't agree with it, and the Bible does speak against it.
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 7:06 am
I went to a church once where there was a female pastor. NEVER AGAIN. She was too emotional that it got God completely out of her "Sermon" and it was a waste of an hour....
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 7:27 am
Phanari I went to a church once where there was a female pastor. NEVER AGAIN. She was too emotional that it got God completely out of her "Sermon" and it was a waste of an hour.... I don't see a problem with women being motivational speakers and such, but not pastors. I am a big fan of Lisa Bevere, she isn't a pastor, she's an inspirational speaker for women all over the world. She even says that being a pastor is a man's job and that women have other duties besides leading a church that they can and must attend to.
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:45 am
Shadows-shine Phanari I went to a church once where there was a female pastor. NEVER AGAIN. She was too emotional that it got God completely out of her "Sermon" and it was a waste of an hour.... I don't see a problem with women being motivational speakers and such, but not pastors. I am a big fan of Lisa Bevere, she isn't a pastor, she's an inspirational speaker for women all over the world. She even says that being a pastor is a man's job and that women have other duties besides leading a church that they can and must attend to. Motivational speakers? Yeah, that's completely fine! Teachers? Great! Pastors? Never should happen.
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:41 am
Phanari Shadows-shine Phanari I went to a church once where there was a female pastor. NEVER AGAIN. She was too emotional that it got God completely out of her "Sermon" and it was a waste of an hour.... I don't see a problem with women being motivational speakers and such, but not pastors. I am a big fan of Lisa Bevere, she isn't a pastor, she's an inspirational speaker for women all over the world. She even says that being a pastor is a man's job and that women have other duties besides leading a church that they can and must attend to. Motivational speakers? Yeah, that's completely fine! Teachers? Great! Pastors? Never should happen. Totally agree. I am a teacher in my own church. I am part of the leadership over the young women, but definitely not a pastor.
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:29 pm
Shadows-shine Phanari Shadows-shine Phanari I went to a church once where there was a female pastor. NEVER AGAIN. She was too emotional that it got God completely out of her "Sermon" and it was a waste of an hour.... I don't see a problem with women being motivational speakers and such, but not pastors. I am a big fan of Lisa Bevere, she isn't a pastor, she's an inspirational speaker for women all over the world. She even says that being a pastor is a man's job and that women have other duties besides leading a church that they can and must attend to. Motivational speakers? Yeah, that's completely fine! Teachers? Great! Pastors? Never should happen. Totally agree. I am a teacher in my own church. I am part of the leadership over the young women, but definitely not a pastor. Yeah. Female pastors are unbiblical anyway. Don't believe me? Read Psalms.
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:30 pm
Phanari Shadows-shine Phanari Shadows-shine Phanari I went to a church once where there was a female pastor. NEVER AGAIN. She was too emotional that it got God completely out of her "Sermon" and it was a waste of an hour.... I don't see a problem with women being motivational speakers and such, but not pastors. I am a big fan of Lisa Bevere, she isn't a pastor, she's an inspirational speaker for women all over the world. She even says that being a pastor is a man's job and that women have other duties besides leading a church that they can and must attend to. Motivational speakers? Yeah, that's completely fine! Teachers? Great! Pastors? Never should happen. Totally agree. I am a teacher in my own church. I am part of the leadership over the young women, but definitely not a pastor. Yeah. Female pastors are unbiblical anyway. Don't believe me? Read Psalms. Nope I believe you. I know of other references in the Bible where it says that women shouldn't be pastors.
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:31 pm
Shadows-shine Phanari Shadows-shine Phanari Shadows-shine Phanari I went to a church once where there was a female pastor. NEVER AGAIN. She was too emotional that it got God completely out of her "Sermon" and it was a waste of an hour.... I don't see a problem with women being motivational speakers and such, but not pastors. I am a big fan of Lisa Bevere, she isn't a pastor, she's an inspirational speaker for women all over the world. She even says that being a pastor is a man's job and that women have other duties besides leading a church that they can and must attend to. Motivational speakers? Yeah, that's completely fine! Teachers? Great! Pastors? Never should happen. Totally agree. I am a teacher in my own church. I am part of the leadership over the young women, but definitely not a pastor. Yeah. Female pastors are unbiblical anyway. Don't believe me? Read Psalms. Nope I believe you. I know of other references in the Bible where it says that women shouldn't be pastors. Not just to you. That message was for anyone and everyone.
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:34 pm
Phanari Shadows-shine Phanari Shadows-shine Phanari Motivational speakers? Yeah, that's completely fine! Teachers? Great! Pastors? Never should happen. Totally agree. I am a teacher in my own church. I am part of the leadership over the young women, but definitely not a pastor. Yeah. Female pastors are unbiblical anyway. Don't believe me? Read Psalms. Nope I believe you. I know of other references in the Bible where it says that women shouldn't be pastors. Not just to you. That message was for anyone and everyone. oh okay
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:36 pm
Shadows-shine Phanari Shadows-shine Phanari Shadows-shine Phanari Motivational speakers? Yeah, that's completely fine! Teachers? Great! Pastors? Never should happen. Totally agree. I am a teacher in my own church. I am part of the leadership over the young women, but definitely not a pastor. Yeah. Female pastors are unbiblical anyway. Don't believe me? Read Psalms. Nope I believe you. I know of other references in the Bible where it says that women shouldn't be pastors. Not just to you. That message was for anyone and everyone. oh okay ^_^
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:18 pm
There's a women pastor at my church, and that goes over well. I don't see anything wrong with it.
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:44 pm
xxEternallyBluexx There's a women pastor at my church, and that goes over well. I don't see anything wrong with it. Of course. Women are great leaders, great people, women are individuals that have been charged with great wisdom and prudence throughout all ages of man. But the priesthood is not a position of authority. You do not gain more "kudos" in God's eyes if you become a priest, pastor, evangelical preacher, what have you. It is something that a person was ordained to hold before coming to earth. This is specific towards men because they do not hold the house. Men were placed to hold the church, while the women were ordained to hold the house. This was a preordination long before we came to earth, to be established long ago. It doesn't mean that women do not have important roles, it means that women were given the charge to hold the house and raise the youth, and also have charge over the other women in the church. The men were to hold meetings and discuss prudent things about the church, and then listen to their wives. This may seem sexist to many, but this is what you might call Heavenly organization.
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