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 Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:01 pm
How are we reconciled to God and what should be our response to His reconciliation?
By His death on the cross, Jesus Christ achieved our redemption through His blood. To 'redeem' means 'to buy or buy back', 'to make a payment that releases from slavery', 'to buy or acquire in a marketplace.' God (in this case, Jesus) was born to a woman and became fully human in order to redeem us (Galatians 4:4-5). He came not to be served, but to serve us and to give His life for our redemption (Mark 10:45). He redeemed us by placing Himself under the curse that falls upon all who do not keep God's law perfectly (Galatians 3:13). We are redeemed by the "blood" of Jesus Christ - His violent, sacrificial death (Ephesians 1:7, Hebrews 9-12). We are instantly redeemed from the guilt of sin at the time of conversion (Romans 3:24, Col 1:14); we are gradually but inevitably redeemed from the power of sin (Titus 2:14).
Basically, we were undeserving lil' sods who spat and threw our feces at the man who was dying to save us and make us happy for all eternity. If that's not making you humble and feel important at the same time..........I'm very sorry for you.
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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:07 pm
Phanari How are we reconciled to God and what should be our response to His reconciliation? By His death on the cross, Jesus Christ achieved our redemption through His blood. To 'redeem' means 'to buy or buy back', 'to make a payment that releases from slavery', 'to buy or acquire in a marketplace.' God (in this case, Jesus) or the power of God but anywho Quote: was born to a woman and became fully human in order to redeem us (Galatians 4:4-5). but He could not be "fully human" He was human, but He also had the power of God, anyways... Quote: He came not to be served, but to serve us and to give His life for our redemption (Mark 10:45). He redeemed us by placing Himself under the curse that falls upon all who do not keep God's law perfectly (Galatians 3:13). We are redeemed by the "blood" of Jesus Christ - His violent, sacrificial death (Ephesians 1:7, Hebrews 9-12). We are instantly redeemed from the guilt of sin at the time of conversion (Romans 3:24, Col 1:14); not ever are we redeemed from the guilt of sin. I always feel guilty after I sin. We are washed away of our sins after baptism and confirmation, but we do not ever escape the guilt of sin, otherwise, why would I repent if I didn't feel guilty? Quote: we are gradually but inevitably redeemed from the power of sin (Titus 2:14). Only after we die. Quote: Basically, we were undeserving lil' sods who spat and threw our feces at the man who was dying to save us and make us happy for all eternity. If that's not making you humble and feel important at the same time..........I'm very sorry for you. I'm humbled by the Atonement, but the whole Atonement, not just the Mel Gibson version of the Atonement. But we all seem to forget the Garden of Gethsemene. I also don't think the euphamism that you used is really appropriate. Man was not meant to condemn each other for our acts, and degrade each other. We should only speak in uplifting terms, not degrading terms.
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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:34 pm
Quote: The word grace, as used in the scriptures, refers primarily to the divine help and strength we receive through the Atonement of the Lord Jesus Christ. The Apostle Peter taught that we should “grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ” (2 Peter 3:18 ). Salvation by Grace Because of the Fall, everyone will experience temporal death. Through grace, made available by the Savior’s atoning sacrifice, all people will be resurrected and receive immortality (see 2 Nephi 9:6–13). But resurrection alone does not qualify us for eternal life in the presence of God. Our sins make us unclean and unfit to dwell in God’s presence, and we need His grace to purify and perfect us “after all we can do” (2 Nephi 25:23). The phrase “after all we can do” teaches that effort is required on our part to receive the fulness of the Lord’s grace and be made worthy to dwell with Him. The Lord has commanded us to obey His gospel, which includes having faith in Him, repenting of our sins, being baptized, receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost, and enduring to the end (see John 3:3–5; 3 Nephi 27:16–20; Articles of Faith 1:3–4). The prophet Moroni wrote of the grace we receive as we come unto the Savior and obey His teachings: “Come unto Christ, and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of all ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and love God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ; and if by the grace of God ye are perfect in Christ, ye can in nowise deny the power of God. “And again, if ye by the grace of God are perfect in Christ, and deny not his power, then are ye sanctified in Christ by the grace of God, through the shedding of the blood of Christ, which is in the covenant of the Father unto the remission of your sins, that ye become holy, without spot” (Moroni 10:32–33). Receiving Grace throughout Your Life In addition to needing grace for your ultimate salvation, you need this enabling power every day of your life. As you draw near to your Heavenly Father in diligence, humility, and meekness, He will uplift and strengthen you through His grace (see Proverbs 3:34; 1 Peter 5:5; D&C 88:78; 106:7–8 ). Reliance upon His grace enables you to progress and grow in righteousness. Jesus Himself “received not of the fulness at first, but continued from grace to grace, until he received a fulness” (D&C 93:13). Grace enables you to help build God’s kingdom, a service you cannot give through your strength or means alone (see John 15:5; Philippians 4:13; Hebrews 12:28; Jacob 4:6–7). If you ever become discouraged or feel too weak to continue living the gospel, remember the strength you can receive through the enabling power of grace. You can find comfort and assurance in these words of the Lord: “My grace is sufficient for all men that humble themselves before me; for if they humble themselves before me, and have faith in me, then will I make weak things become strong unto them” (Ether 12:27). Additional references: Acts 15:11; Romans 5:2; 2 Nephi 10:24; 11:5 Quote: Grace is the help or strength given through the Atonement of the Lord Jesus Christ. Through the grace of God, everyone who has lived will be resurrected—our spirits will be reunited with our bodies, never again to be separated. Through His grace, the Lord also enables those who live His gospel to repent and be forgiven. Quote: BIBLE DICTIONARY Grace A word that occurs frequently in the New Testament, especially in the writings of Paul. The main idea of the word is divine means of help or strength, given through the bounteous mercy and love of Jesus Christ. It is through the grace of the Lord Jesus, made possible by his atoning sacrifice, that mankind will be raised in immortality, every person receiving his body from the grave in a condition of everlasting life. It is likewise through the grace of the Lord that individuals, through faith in the atonement of Jesus Christ and repentance of their sins, receive strength and assistance to do good works that they otherwise would not be able to maintain if left to their own means. This grace is an enabling power that allows men and women to lay hold on eternal life and exaltation after they have expended their own best efforts. The above explains what I feel is God's grace.
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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:51 pm
Shadows-shine Quote: The word grace, as used in the scriptures, refers primarily to the divine help and strength we receive through the Atonement of the Lord Jesus Christ. The Apostle Peter taught that we should “grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ” (2 Peter 3:18 ). Salvation by Grace Because of the Fall, everyone will experience temporal death. Through grace, made available by the Savior’s atoning sacrifice, all people will be resurrected and receive immortality (see 2 Nephi 9:6–13). But resurrection alone does not qualify us for eternal life in the presence of God. Our sins make us unclean and unfit to dwell in God’s presence, and we need His grace to purify and perfect us “after all we can do” (2 Nephi 25:23). The phrase “after all we can do” teaches that effort is required on our part to receive the fulness of the Lord’s grace and be made worthy to dwell with Him. The Lord has commanded us to obey His gospel, which includes having faith in Him, repenting of our sins, being baptized, receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost, and enduring to the end (see John 3:3–5; 3 Nephi 27:16–20; Articles of Faith 1:3–4). The prophet Moroni wrote of the grace we receive as we come unto the Savior and obey His teachings: “Come unto Christ, and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of all ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and love God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ; and if by the grace of God ye are perfect in Christ, ye can in nowise deny the power of God. “And again, if ye by the grace of God are perfect in Christ, and deny not his power, then are ye sanctified in Christ by the grace of God, through the shedding of the blood of Christ, which is in the covenant of the Father unto the remission of your sins, that ye become holy, without spot” (Moroni 10:32–33). Receiving Grace throughout Your Life In addition to needing grace for your ultimate salvation, you need this enabling power every day of your life. As you draw near to your Heavenly Father in diligence, humility, and meekness, He will uplift and strengthen you through His grace (see Proverbs 3:34; 1 Peter 5:5; D&C 88:78; 106:7–8 ). Reliance upon His grace enables you to progress and grow in righteousness. Jesus Himself “received not of the fulness at first, but continued from grace to grace, until he received a fulness” (D&C 93:13). Grace enables you to help build God’s kingdom, a service you cannot give through your strength or means alone (see John 15:5; Philippians 4:13; Hebrews 12:28; Jacob 4:6–7). If you ever become discouraged or feel too weak to continue living the gospel, remember the strength you can receive through the enabling power of grace. You can find comfort and assurance in these words of the Lord: “My grace is sufficient for all men that humble themselves before me; for if they humble themselves before me, and have faith in me, then will I make weak things become strong unto them” (Ether 12:27). Additional references: Acts 15:11; Romans 5:2; 2 Nephi 10:24; 11:5 Quote: Grace is the help or strength given through the Atonement of the Lord Jesus Christ. Through the grace of God, everyone who has lived will be resurrected—our spirits will be reunited with our bodies, never again to be separated. Through His grace, the Lord also enables those who live His gospel to repent and be forgiven. Quote: BIBLE DICTIONARY Grace A word that occurs frequently in the New Testament, especially in the writings of Paul. The main idea of the word is divine means of help or strength, given through the bounteous mercy and love of Jesus Christ. It is through the grace of the Lord Jesus, made possible by his atoning sacrifice, that mankind will be raised in immortality, every person receiving his body from the grave in a condition of everlasting life. It is likewise through the grace of the Lord that individuals, through faith in the atonement of Jesus Christ and repentance of their sins, receive strength and assistance to do good works that they otherwise would not be able to maintain if left to their own means. This grace is an enabling power that allows men and women to lay hold on eternal life and exaltation after they have expended their own best efforts. The above explains what I feel is God's grace. God's Grace is defined in the Bible. Best shown in John 3:16.
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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:22 pm
Phanari Shadows-shine Quote: The word grace, as used in the scriptures, refers primarily to the divine help and strength we receive through the Atonement of the Lord Jesus Christ. The Apostle Peter taught that we should “grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ” (2 Peter 3:18 ). Salvation by Grace Because of the Fall, everyone will experience temporal death. Through grace, made available by the Savior’s atoning sacrifice, all people will be resurrected and receive immortality (see 2 Nephi 9:6–13). But resurrection alone does not qualify us for eternal life in the presence of God. Our sins make us unclean and unfit to dwell in God’s presence, and we need His grace to purify and perfect us “after all we can do” (2 Nephi 25:23). The phrase “after all we can do” teaches that effort is required on our part to receive the fulness of the Lord’s grace and be made worthy to dwell with Him. The Lord has commanded us to obey His gospel, which includes having faith in Him, repenting of our sins, being baptized, receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost, and enduring to the end (see John 3:3–5; 3 Nephi 27:16–20; Articles of Faith 1:3–4). The prophet Moroni wrote of the grace we receive as we come unto the Savior and obey His teachings: “Come unto Christ, and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of all ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and love God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ; and if by the grace of God ye are perfect in Christ, ye can in nowise deny the power of God. “And again, if ye by the grace of God are perfect in Christ, and deny not his power, then are ye sanctified in Christ by the grace of God, through the shedding of the blood of Christ, which is in the covenant of the Father unto the remission of your sins, that ye become holy, without spot” (Moroni 10:32–33). Receiving Grace throughout Your Life In addition to needing grace for your ultimate salvation, you need this enabling power every day of your life. As you draw near to your Heavenly Father in diligence, humility, and meekness, He will uplift and strengthen you through His grace (see Proverbs 3:34; 1 Peter 5:5; D&C 88:78; 106:7–8 ). Reliance upon His grace enables you to progress and grow in righteousness. Jesus Himself “received not of the fulness at first, but continued from grace to grace, until he received a fulness” (D&C 93:13). Grace enables you to help build God’s kingdom, a service you cannot give through your strength or means alone (see John 15:5; Philippians 4:13; Hebrews 12:28; Jacob 4:6–7). If you ever become discouraged or feel too weak to continue living the gospel, remember the strength you can receive through the enabling power of grace. You can find comfort and assurance in these words of the Lord: “My grace is sufficient for all men that humble themselves before me; for if they humble themselves before me, and have faith in me, then will I make weak things become strong unto them” (Ether 12:27). Additional references: Acts 15:11; Romans 5:2; 2 Nephi 10:24; 11:5 Quote: Grace is the help or strength given through the Atonement of the Lord Jesus Christ. Through the grace of God, everyone who has lived will be resurrected—our spirits will be reunited with our bodies, never again to be separated. Through His grace, the Lord also enables those who live His gospel to repent and be forgiven. Quote: BIBLE DICTIONARY Grace A word that occurs frequently in the New Testament, especially in the writings of Paul. The main idea of the word is divine means of help or strength, given through the bounteous mercy and love of Jesus Christ. It is through the grace of the Lord Jesus, made possible by his atoning sacrifice, that mankind will be raised in immortality, every person receiving his body from the grave in a condition of everlasting life. It is likewise through the grace of the Lord that individuals, through faith in the atonement of Jesus Christ and repentance of their sins, receive strength and assistance to do good works that they otherwise would not be able to maintain if left to their own means. This grace is an enabling power that allows men and women to lay hold on eternal life and exaltation after they have expended their own best efforts. The above explains what I feel is God's grace. God's Grace is defined in the Bible. Best shown in John 3:16. Thank you for that, but that is not God's Grace solely. God's Grace is much more a combination of things that cannot be summed up in one sentence, but any Christian should be able to understand that.
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:43 am
Someoneiknow Phanari Shadows-shine Quote: The word grace, as used in the scriptures, refers primarily to the divine help and strength we receive through the Atonement of the Lord Jesus Christ. The Apostle Peter taught that we should “grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ” (2 Peter 3:18 ). Salvation by Grace Because of the Fall, everyone will experience temporal death. Through grace, made available by the Savior’s atoning sacrifice, all people will be resurrected and receive immortality (see 2 Nephi 9:6–13). But resurrection alone does not qualify us for eternal life in the presence of God. Our sins make us unclean and unfit to dwell in God’s presence, and we need His grace to purify and perfect us “after all we can do” (2 Nephi 25:23). The phrase “after all we can do” teaches that effort is required on our part to receive the fulness of the Lord’s grace and be made worthy to dwell with Him. The Lord has commanded us to obey His gospel, which includes having faith in Him, repenting of our sins, being baptized, receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost, and enduring to the end (see John 3:3–5; 3 Nephi 27:16–20; Articles of Faith 1:3–4). The prophet Moroni wrote of the grace we receive as we come unto the Savior and obey His teachings: “Come unto Christ, and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of all ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and love God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ; and if by the grace of God ye are perfect in Christ, ye can in nowise deny the power of God. “And again, if ye by the grace of God are perfect in Christ, and deny not his power, then are ye sanctified in Christ by the grace of God, through the shedding of the blood of Christ, which is in the covenant of the Father unto the remission of your sins, that ye become holy, without spot” (Moroni 10:32–33). Receiving Grace throughout Your Life In addition to needing grace for your ultimate salvation, you need this enabling power every day of your life. As you draw near to your Heavenly Father in diligence, humility, and meekness, He will uplift and strengthen you through His grace (see Proverbs 3:34; 1 Peter 5:5; D&C 88:78; 106:7–8 ). Reliance upon His grace enables you to progress and grow in righteousness. Jesus Himself “received not of the fulness at first, but continued from grace to grace, until he received a fulness” (D&C 93:13). Grace enables you to help build God’s kingdom, a service you cannot give through your strength or means alone (see John 15:5; Philippians 4:13; Hebrews 12:28; Jacob 4:6–7). If you ever become discouraged or feel too weak to continue living the gospel, remember the strength you can receive through the enabling power of grace. You can find comfort and assurance in these words of the Lord: “My grace is sufficient for all men that humble themselves before me; for if they humble themselves before me, and have faith in me, then will I make weak things become strong unto them” (Ether 12:27). Additional references: Acts 15:11; Romans 5:2; 2 Nephi 10:24; 11:5 Quote: Grace is the help or strength given through the Atonement of the Lord Jesus Christ. Through the grace of God, everyone who has lived will be resurrected—our spirits will be reunited with our bodies, never again to be separated. Through His grace, the Lord also enables those who live His gospel to repent and be forgiven. Quote: BIBLE DICTIONARY Grace A word that occurs frequently in the New Testament, especially in the writings of Paul. The main idea of the word is divine means of help or strength, given through the bounteous mercy and love of Jesus Christ. It is through the grace of the Lord Jesus, made possible by his atoning sacrifice, that mankind will be raised in immortality, every person receiving his body from the grave in a condition of everlasting life. It is likewise through the grace of the Lord that individuals, through faith in the atonement of Jesus Christ and repentance of their sins, receive strength and assistance to do good works that they otherwise would not be able to maintain if left to their own means. This grace is an enabling power that allows men and women to lay hold on eternal life and exaltation after they have expended their own best efforts. The above explains what I feel is God's grace. God's Grace is defined in the Bible. Best shown in John 3:16. Thank you for that, but that is not God's Grace solely. God's Grace is much more a combination of things that cannot be summed up in one sentence, but any Christian should be able to understand that. When God poured His Grace to us, He died on Calvary.
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:42 am
Phanari Someoneiknow Phanari Shadows-shine Quote: The word grace, as used in the scriptures, refers primarily to the divine help and strength we receive through the Atonement of the Lord Jesus Christ. The Apostle Peter taught that we should “grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ” (2 Peter 3:18 ). Salvation by Grace Because of the Fall, everyone will experience temporal death. Through grace, made available by the Savior’s atoning sacrifice, all people will be resurrected and receive immortality (see 2 Nephi 9:6–13). But resurrection alone does not qualify us for eternal life in the presence of God. Our sins make us unclean and unfit to dwell in God’s presence, and we need His grace to purify and perfect us “after all we can do” (2 Nephi 25:23). The phrase “after all we can do” teaches that effort is required on our part to receive the fulness of the Lord’s grace and be made worthy to dwell with Him. The Lord has commanded us to obey His gospel, which includes having faith in Him, repenting of our sins, being baptized, receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost, and enduring to the end (see John 3:3–5; 3 Nephi 27:16–20; Articles of Faith 1:3–4). The prophet Moroni wrote of the grace we receive as we come unto the Savior and obey His teachings: “Come unto Christ, and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of all ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and love God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ; and if by the grace of God ye are perfect in Christ, ye can in nowise deny the power of God. “And again, if ye by the grace of God are perfect in Christ, and deny not his power, then are ye sanctified in Christ by the grace of God, through the shedding of the blood of Christ, which is in the covenant of the Father unto the remission of your sins, that ye become holy, without spot” (Moroni 10:32–33). Receiving Grace throughout Your Life In addition to needing grace for your ultimate salvation, you need this enabling power every day of your life. As you draw near to your Heavenly Father in diligence, humility, and meekness, He will uplift and strengthen you through His grace (see Proverbs 3:34; 1 Peter 5:5; D&C 88:78; 106:7–8 ). Reliance upon His grace enables you to progress and grow in righteousness. Jesus Himself “received not of the fulness at first, but continued from grace to grace, until he received a fulness” (D&C 93:13). Grace enables you to help build God’s kingdom, a service you cannot give through your strength or means alone (see John 15:5; Philippians 4:13; Hebrews 12:28; Jacob 4:6–7). If you ever become discouraged or feel too weak to continue living the gospel, remember the strength you can receive through the enabling power of grace. You can find comfort and assurance in these words of the Lord: “My grace is sufficient for all men that humble themselves before me; for if they humble themselves before me, and have faith in me, then will I make weak things become strong unto them” (Ether 12:27). Additional references: Acts 15:11; Romans 5:2; 2 Nephi 10:24; 11:5 Quote: Grace is the help or strength given through the Atonement of the Lord Jesus Christ. Through the grace of God, everyone who has lived will be resurrected—our spirits will be reunited with our bodies, never again to be separated. Through His grace, the Lord also enables those who live His gospel to repent and be forgiven. Quote: BIBLE DICTIONARY Grace A word that occurs frequently in the New Testament, especially in the writings of Paul. The main idea of the word is divine means of help or strength, given through the bounteous mercy and love of Jesus Christ. It is through the grace of the Lord Jesus, made possible by his atoning sacrifice, that mankind will be raised in immortality, every person receiving his body from the grave in a condition of everlasting life. It is likewise through the grace of the Lord that individuals, through faith in the atonement of Jesus Christ and repentance of their sins, receive strength and assistance to do good works that they otherwise would not be able to maintain if left to their own means. This grace is an enabling power that allows men and women to lay hold on eternal life and exaltation after they have expended their own best efforts. The above explains what I feel is God's grace. God's Grace is defined in the Bible. Best shown in John 3:16. Thank you for that, but that is not God's Grace solely. God's Grace is much more a combination of things that cannot be summed up in one sentence, but any Christian should be able to understand that. When God poured His Grace to us, He died on Calvary. What about Garden Gethsemene or is that not important anymore?
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:18 am
What do you mean? The proposal in the Garden of Gethsemene was included in my statement.
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:20 am
Phanari What do you mean? The proposal in the Garden of Gethsemene was included in my statement. There was no proposal made in the Garden of Gethsemene. That is where the atonement process begun. The whole of the atonement was not just Christ hanging on the cross. It also took place in the garden.
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:23 am
Shadows-shine Phanari What do you mean? The proposal in the Garden of Gethsemene was included in my statement. There was no proposal made in the Garden of Gethsemene. That is where the atonement process begun. The whole of the atonement was not just Christ hanging on the cross. It also took place in the garden. Read your history. In the days of Christ, Jews proposed by the bride groom handing the potential pride a glass of wine and once she drank from the glass, she accepted the proposal. God's disciples knew what He was doing when He proposed. They accepted.
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:32 am
Phanari Shadows-shine Phanari What do you mean? The proposal in the Garden of Gethsemene was included in my statement. There was no proposal made in the Garden of Gethsemene. That is where the atonement process begun. The whole of the atonement was not just Christ hanging on the cross. It also took place in the garden. Read your history. In the days of Christ, Jews proposed by the bride groom handing the potential pride a glass of wine and once she drank from the glass, she accepted the proposal. God's disciples knew what He was doing when He proposed. They accepted. That was at the last supper. Not in the Garden of Gethsemene. I am saying the atonement process began at the Garden. He took upon the sins of the world in the Garden and died on the cross for those sins.
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:22 pm
Shadows-shine Phanari Shadows-shine Phanari What do you mean? The proposal in the Garden of Gethsemene was included in my statement. There was no proposal made in the Garden of Gethsemene. That is where the atonement process begun. The whole of the atonement was not just Christ hanging on the cross. It also took place in the garden. Read your history. In the days of Christ, Jews proposed by the bride groom handing the potential pride a glass of wine and once she drank from the glass, she accepted the proposal. God's disciples knew what He was doing when He proposed. They accepted. That was at the last supper. Not in the Garden of Gethsemene. I am saying the atonement process began at the Garden. He took upon the sins of the world in the Garden and died on the cross for those sins. Yes, He died on the cross for our sins. AFTER proposing to all those who would believe in Him.
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:04 pm
Phanari Shadows-shine Phanari Shadows-shine Phanari What do you mean? The proposal in the Garden of Gethsemene was included in my statement. There was no proposal made in the Garden of Gethsemene. That is where the atonement process begun. The whole of the atonement was not just Christ hanging on the cross. It also took place in the garden. Read your history. In the days of Christ, Jews proposed by the bride groom handing the potential pride a glass of wine and once she drank from the glass, she accepted the proposal. God's disciples knew what He was doing when He proposed. They accepted. That was at the last supper. Not in the Garden of Gethsemene. I am saying the atonement process began at the Garden. He took upon the sins of the world in the Garden and died on the cross for those sins. Yes, He died on the cross for our sins. AFTER proposing to all those who would believe in Him. I know how it goes, but what I am saying is the atonement process for our sins, when He took upon the sins of the world began in the garden. Yes it was after the last supper, but the process began in Gethsemene
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 7:15 am
Shadows-shine Phanari Shadows-shine Phanari Shadows-shine Phanari What do you mean? The proposal in the Garden of Gethsemene was included in my statement. There was no proposal made in the Garden of Gethsemene. That is where the atonement process begun. The whole of the atonement was not just Christ hanging on the cross. It also took place in the garden. Read your history. In the days of Christ, Jews proposed by the bride groom handing the potential pride a glass of wine and once she drank from the glass, she accepted the proposal. God's disciples knew what He was doing when He proposed. They accepted. That was at the last supper. Not in the Garden of Gethsemene. I am saying the atonement process began at the Garden. He took upon the sins of the world in the Garden and died on the cross for those sins. Yes, He died on the cross for our sins. AFTER proposing to all those who would believe in Him. I know how it goes, but what I am saying is the atonement process for our sins, when He took upon the sins of the world began in the garden. Yes it was after the last supper, but the process began in Gethsemene Never said it didn't.........it's just not as important as God's proposal to us, that's all.
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 7:17 am
Phanari Shadows-shine Phanari Shadows-shine Phanari Read your history. In the days of Christ, Jews proposed by the bride groom handing the potential pride a glass of wine and once she drank from the glass, she accepted the proposal. God's disciples knew what He was doing when He proposed. They accepted. That was at the last supper. Not in the Garden of Gethsemene. I am saying the atonement process began at the Garden. He took upon the sins of the world in the Garden and died on the cross for those sins. Yes, He died on the cross for our sins. AFTER proposing to all those who would believe in Him. I know how it goes, but what I am saying is the atonement process for our sins, when He took upon the sins of the world began in the garden. Yes it was after the last supper, but the process began in Gethsemene Never said it didn't.........it's just not as important as God's proposal to us, that's all. No, every thing that Christ did, whether it was the last supper, the sermon on the mount, the garden, etc. was equally important.
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