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 Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:57 pm
Not that anyone will respond, but I'm just wondering what are your thoughts on the term "illegal alien"? I hate it!
I think it dehumanizes like all of the other labels this American society creates!!
I would love to get other opinions. I don't care if the subject of the thread is at all changed or tweaked a bit. I just want to talk about something, most of all talk.
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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:07 pm
I do not like the word as well.
They're people just like you and me.
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Faithes light Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:07 pm
Exactly! I mean yes they might not be respecting the law we have against immigration and such, but that doesn't mean we have to turn around and insult them or make them feel completely unwelcome.
Why can't we have a welcoming manner instead of always pushing people out? I am arguing with someone else about this in another guild...she's beating me I must say. I don't know much about the rules and regulations on immigration.
I just find the term "illegal alien" quite offense. I don't want to be walking down the street and have someone look at me like I'm something strange. If you want to think of strange just think of the sick list of serial killers we have...you know?
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:52 pm
Uneducated.
Illegal alien, or alien in short, means a person or being not of that area.
I am from washington.
I live in michigan.
I am considered an Alien.
You blame america for using that term.
When we didnt even create it, russia did.
Illegal is added when someone from another country who is not a citizen shows up and tries to be apart of that country.
I support and use that word.
I dont care if they are human.
They are coming to our country.
Not paying taxes like us.
Not paying burdens like us.
In the end we take the falls.
We "americans" are losing our jobs and such due to mexicans and other culters rushing here to get in on our living.
Send them where they came from,
They want to be a legal citizen?
Let them work for it and do the paper work.
I am not racist,
Im a realist.
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:49 pm
You have a point, but I learned that the term illegal alien refers to people not of this country i.e America. (Oh, and the word foreign means not of this country or native of...illegal alien is terms we use to refer to that word)
And...it doesn't refer to you being from and living in Michigan. I have never been called an "alien" by anyone in Iowa when I'm from California. That doesn't seem logical to me. The conversation usually goes something like this..."oh you're from California?! Cool. And I say yeah, but it wasn't the beach parts it was the good old desert." And they usually say oh, that sucks. End of conversation. Nothing about being an "alien" to Iowa...
I don't remember hearing about Russia creating the term either...We "Americans" won't even do half the jobs the Mexicans hop the borders for. Along with other cultures. We're notoriously lazy, that's what we are.
If you really want them to be a legal citizen you would facilitate ways to help them do that not keep them out.
You could help them learn English. Tell your library to make Rosetta Stone accessible on their computers or something. I don't know, but it's ridiculous that they have to be judged and insulted when there is so much more disappointing sh*t we "Americans" should be worried about.
Frankly, I don't find this country an ideal place to live...I might love my country for the sake of it being a little more lenient with freedoms compared to China, but I'm still extremely disappointed in it and its people.
Oh, and I'm sure you'll call me out on saying that I should help. Well, you know I think I can help in the fact that I know Spanish. It may come in handy, it may not. I have no idea...but it's really hard (meaning as in finding the time) to get involved in your community so I can understand if you have trouble with it too.
Here is evidence that our country has just become lazy with words and decided to group illegal and alien together to coin a term referring to immigrants.
Adversity.net
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Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 2:39 pm
I don't see anything wrong with "illegal alien." It's just describing what they are. It's obvious that they're people...but I don't think that's good enough of a reason to make them feel welcome for breaking immigration laws.
And on the "Americans won't do the jobs that Mexicans will do" issue...that also depends on those who are hiring them-it's also up to those who want to pay less for labor. (Oh, and Mexicans aren't the only illegal aliens).
I definitely don't think illegal aliens refers to immigrants. People just equate them to make the issue seem race-based or foreigner-based. The real problem is with the violation of laws, I think.
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Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 3:46 pm
Agreed.
I mean if need be, Id take teh s**t jobs to make some form of money.
But still.
People are greedy.
Would ratherpay a man 3dollars, then pay his own kind minimum wage.
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Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:01 pm
Kaze_Fumetsu I don't see anything wrong with "illegal alien." It's just describing what they are. It's obvious that they're people...but I don't think that's good enough of a reason to make them feel welcome for breaking immigration laws. And on the "Americans won't do the jobs that Mexicans will do" issue...that also depends on those who are hiring them-it's also up to those who want to pay less for labor. (Oh, and Mexicans aren't the only illegal aliens). I definitely don't think illegal aliens refers to immigrants. People just equate them to make the issue seem race-based or foreigner-based. The real problem is with the violation of laws, I think.
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Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 4:55 pm
Yes, "illegal alien" can be interpreted as an insult but still, I think that it's a term that speaks the truth-is someone an illegal alien? It's either yes or no. Whether it's "wrong" to use this word or not depends on who you're dealing with.
Yes, illegal immigration is quite...difficult to solve...but so is using terms like "illegal aliens." It's too bad that there's no way to stop people from using words like that. Whether it's offensive or not depends on how one uses the word too.
And I'll end with that............
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:14 am
Kaze_Fumetsu Yes, "illegal alien" can be interpreted as an insult but still, I think that it's a term that speaks the truth-is someone an illegal alien? It's either yes or no. Whether it's "wrong" to use this word or not depends on who you're dealing with. Yes, illegal immigration is quite...difficult to solve...but so is using terms like "illegal aliens." It's too bad that there's no way to stop people from using words like that. Whether it's offensive or not depends on how one uses the word too. And I'll end with that............
Maybe I'm still beating it into the ground because I'm sure the people I'm asking here cannot supply an answer to my questions. I'll just let you guys think about it. And I hope you don't feel I'm trying to diss you Kaze, I'm just actually simply agreeing with you, but with my own doubts I guess.
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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 4:44 pm
Don't worry, it's no problem. You have the right to your opinion and I had no intentions of trying to change it (at least I hope I didn't sound that way)...
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