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 Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 8:25 pm
Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace
You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world
You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one
Such a great song
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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 12:49 pm
That's fine and dandy, but it's not religion that creates strife, it's people
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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 6:30 pm
honestly its not easy for me to imagine theres no heaven it makes life depressing thinking this rat hole is all im going to have and nothing more, God has placed eternity in our hearts and i plan on reaping a grand retirement , with my brothers and sisters in Christ there will be no strife no issues over petty indeferences for the truth will be set and no one will debate anymore! MWAHAHAH
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world
Well in the new world this wont be a dream and i'd rather grab hold of the crown promised to me ,then whine about how life is so bad because of everyone else.
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Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:18 pm
Shadows-shine That's fine and dandy, but it's not religion that creates strife, it's people The crusades? Middle east? Religion drives it my friend.
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Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:24 pm
Isaac742 Shadows-shine That's fine and dandy, but it's not religion that creates strife, it's people The crusades? Middle east? Religion drives it my friend. Actually religion is just a state of beliefs. People take those beliefs within in their religions to the extreme because they are driven by their passions due to their own beliefs. So it was people who started the crusades, all the crap in the Middle East, etc. Religion itself can do nothing without people. Just because something is started in the "name of God" doesn't make it religion's fault...people are the ones who have the will to act, not the institution.
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Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 8:12 pm
Isaac742 Imagine there's no Heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say that I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will be as one Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can No need for greed or hunger A brotherhood of man Imagine all the people Sharing all the world You may say that I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will live as one Such a great song You'd have a lot of people living for no purpose, many suicides, and people still fighting over land, resources, and what have you. You'd also have a world deprived of culture. The saying goes be careful what you wish for, and this is one of the only cases where I'm glad wishes don't come true. No matter how you think it might help, you can't take people's freedom of choice and opinion from them. How about a world based around family values, and living for the Lord? Kids would grow up in caring homes and become good citizens who lived good and moral lives. Everyone would have and know their purpose. People could live and pursue their dreams. I like that world. Regardless, neither is likely to appear on our world's surface. The only way of this world is for every person to have their choice, even if they're wrong.
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 7:55 am
xxEternallyBluexx Isaac742 Imagine there's no Heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say that I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will be as one Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can No need for greed or hunger A brotherhood of man Imagine all the people Sharing all the world You may say that I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will live as one Such a great song You'd have a lot of people living for no purpose, many suicides, and people still fighting over land, resources, and what have you. You'd also have a world deprived of culture. The saying goes be careful what you wish for, and this is one of the only cases where I'm glad wishes don't come true. No matter how you think it might help, you can't take people's freedom of choice and opinion from them. How about a world based around family values, and living for the Lord? Kids would grow up in caring homes and become good citizens who lived good and moral lives. Everyone would have and know their purpose. People could live and pursue their dreams. I like that world. Regardless, neither is likely to appear on our world's surface. The only way of this world is for every person to have their choice, even if they're wrong. Yes because everyone living in peace and not fighting is TOTALLY a cause for suicides. your argument makes no sense.
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:07 am
Isaac742 xxEternallyBluexx Isaac742 Imagine there's no Heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say that I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will be as one Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can No need for greed or hunger A brotherhood of man Imagine all the people Sharing all the world You may say that I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will live as one Such a great song You'd have a lot of people living for no purpose, many suicides, and people still fighting over land, resources, and what have you. You'd also have a world deprived of culture. The saying goes be careful what you wish for, and this is one of the only cases where I'm glad wishes don't come true. No matter how you think it might help, you can't take people's freedom of choice and opinion from them. How about a world based around family values, and living for the Lord? Kids would grow up in caring homes and become good citizens who lived good and moral lives. Everyone would have and know their purpose. People could live and pursue their dreams. I like that world. Regardless, neither is likely to appear on our world's surface. The only way of this world is for every person to have their choice, even if they're wrong. Yes because everyone living in peace and not fighting is TOTALLY a cause for suicides. your argument makes no sense. She wasn't talking about living in peace. My guess is she was talking about the lack of religion. The lack of heaven, the lack of possessions (physically and spiritually), etc. If there was no heaven, those who rely on that hope would feel their lives wasted and wouldnt want to go on. That wouldn't be peaceful to them.
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:13 am
Let me ask you this, Isaac, if you believe religion fuels hate and contention, then do you believe that it's the gun that kills the person or that people kill people?
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 3:43 pm
As much as I enjoy the Beatles, and John Lennon being one of them, I do not however agree with the song. It is a fanciful tale, but there must be opposition in all things, otherwise we do not have the ability to rise above ourselves and others to becoming what we desire in our dreams. Imagine a world where everybody did the exact same thing, and no one rose above anybody else and there was no position of power or greatness, only the steady humdrum of life, this is what would really come about in John Lennon's song. We would all be content, but not joyfully happy.
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 4:41 pm
Someoneiknow As much as I enjoy the Beatles, and John Lennon being one of them, I do not however agree with the song. It is a fanciful tale, but there must be opposition in all things, otherwise we do not have the ability to rise above ourselves and others to becoming what we desire in our dreams. Imagine a world where everybody did the exact same thing, and no one rose above anybody else and there was no position of power or greatness, only the steady humdrum of life, this is what would really come about in John Lennon's song. We would all be content, but not joyfully happy. * stare at the song* I wouldn't be content, and neither would many other people. The only way you'd achieve that foolish world is to kill many people, and brainwash many others. And, yep I was talking about how many would lose the desire to live without the Lord(/their god), myself and the two people closest to me being two of them.
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 6:24 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Someoneiknow As much as I enjoy the Beatles, and John Lennon being one of them, I do not however agree with the song. It is a fanciful tale, but there must be opposition in all things, otherwise we do not have the ability to rise above ourselves and others to becoming what we desire in our dreams. Imagine a world where everybody did the exact same thing, and no one rose above anybody else and there was no position of power or greatness, only the steady humdrum of life, this is what would really come about in John Lennon's song. We would all be content, but not joyfully happy. * stare at the song* I wouldn't be content, and neither would many other people. The only way you'd achieve that foolish world is to kill many people, and brainwash many others. And, yep I was talking about how many would lose the desire to live without the Lord(/their god), myself and the two people closest to me being two of them. I think he meant blissfully ignorant by content. If we lived in a world such as that described in the song, it would ignorance, where no one would grow, learn, know what happiness is, joy, peace, love, etc. There has to be opposition so that we can learn and grow. The world described in the song wouldn't allow for that.
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 6:53 pm
Shadows-shine xxEternallyBluexx Someoneiknow As much as I enjoy the Beatles, and John Lennon being one of them, I do not however agree with the song. It is a fanciful tale, but there must be opposition in all things, otherwise we do not have the ability to rise above ourselves and others to becoming what we desire in our dreams. Imagine a world where everybody did the exact same thing, and no one rose above anybody else and there was no position of power or greatness, only the steady humdrum of life, this is what would really come about in John Lennon's song. We would all be content, but not joyfully happy. * stare at the song* I wouldn't be content, and neither would many other people. The only way you'd achieve that foolish world is to kill many people, and brainwash many others. And, yep I was talking about how many would lose the desire to live without the Lord(/their god), myself and the two people closest to me being two of them. I think he meant blissfully ignorant by content. If we lived in a world such as that described in the song, it would ignorance, where no one would grow, learn, know what happiness is, joy, peace, love, etc. There has to be opposition so that we can learn and grow. The world described in the song wouldn't allow for that. True, but a world like the one in the song couldn't exist. Not unless all those who practice religion were shut up somehow. I'm not so sure we need opposition though. I'd love a world where Adam and Eve did the right thing, and we could all walk with the Lord and be happy.
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 7:51 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Shadows-shine xxEternallyBluexx Someoneiknow As much as I enjoy the Beatles, and John Lennon being one of them, I do not however agree with the song. It is a fanciful tale, but there must be opposition in all things, otherwise we do not have the ability to rise above ourselves and others to becoming what we desire in our dreams. Imagine a world where everybody did the exact same thing, and no one rose above anybody else and there was no position of power or greatness, only the steady humdrum of life, this is what would really come about in John Lennon's song. We would all be content, but not joyfully happy. * stare at the song* I wouldn't be content, and neither would many other people. The only way you'd achieve that foolish world is to kill many people, and brainwash many others. And, yep I was talking about how many would lose the desire to live without the Lord(/their god), myself and the two people closest to me being two of them. I think he meant blissfully ignorant by content. If we lived in a world such as that described in the song, it would ignorance, where no one would grow, learn, know what happiness is, joy, peace, love, etc. There has to be opposition so that we can learn and grow. The world described in the song wouldn't allow for that. True, but a world like the one in the song couldn't exist. Not unless all those who practice religion were shut up somehow. I'm not so sure we need opposition though. I'd love a world where Adam and Eve did the right thing, and we could all walk with the Lord and be happy. If the fall wasn't necessary, then that would make God NOT omnipotent and all-knowing.
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 7:59 pm
Someoneiknow xxEternallyBluexx Shadows-shine xxEternallyBluexx Someoneiknow As much as I enjoy the Beatles, and John Lennon being one of them, I do not however agree with the song. It is a fanciful tale, but there must be opposition in all things, otherwise we do not have the ability to rise above ourselves and others to becoming what we desire in our dreams. Imagine a world where everybody did the exact same thing, and no one rose above anybody else and there was no position of power or greatness, only the steady humdrum of life, this is what would really come about in John Lennon's song. We would all be content, but not joyfully happy. * stare at the song* I wouldn't be content, and neither would many other people. The only way you'd achieve that foolish world is to kill many people, and brainwash many others. And, yep I was talking about how many would lose the desire to live without the Lord(/their god), myself and the two people closest to me being two of them. I think he meant blissfully ignorant by content. If we lived in a world such as that described in the song, it would ignorance, where no one would grow, learn, know what happiness is, joy, peace, love, etc. There has to be opposition so that we can learn and grow. The world described in the song wouldn't allow for that. True, but a world like the one in the song couldn't exist. Not unless all those who practice religion were shut up somehow. I'm not so sure we need opposition though. I'd love a world where Adam and Eve did the right thing, and we could all walk with the Lord and be happy. If the fall wasn't necessary, then that would make God NOT omnipotent and all-knowing. Not necessarily. What if the reason the gift of choice was so great was that He gave us the abilty to do things even He couldn't predict. Giving us choice was necessary so we could love Him, but I doubt the Fall was necessary. In any case, it hardly makes a difference because that point is long gone.
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