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Miza_Radioaktiv
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:53 pm


Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act
Passage of the law was supported by the American Cancer Society, whose CEO noted in a press release that "[t]his bill forces Big Tobacco to disclose the poisons in its products and has the power to finally break the dangerous chain of addiction for generations to come."[1] The ACS press release also noted that the legislation would "require cigarette companies to disclose all ingredients used in cigarettes and to stop using words like 'light' and 'ultra-light' to give the impression that some tobacco products have a lower health risk."[1] The legislation also garnered support from the American Heart Association, whose CEO noted that the bill "provides a tremendous opportunity to finally hold tobacco companies accountable and restrict efforts to addict more children and adults." [2]

The law was criticized by some as ineffectual, with community health sciences professor Michael Siegel stating that it "creates the appearance of regulation without allowing actual regulation." Critics argue that without the authority to eliminate nicotine completely, the reduction of nicotine levels in cigarettes may result in compensation by existing smokers, increasing their cigarette smoke inhalation to consume a level of nicotine which will satisfy their cravings. In addition, marketing restrictions enacted by the bill make it more difficult to promote safer smokeless alternatives to cigarettes. The restrictions have been disputed on the grounds of free speech, with various claims that the legislation violates the First Amendment to the United States Constitution.[3][4]

The bill bans flavored cigarettes, including cloves, cinnamon, candy, and fruit flavors, with a special exception for menthol cigarettes. Because the exception helps the largest maker of menthols, Phillip Morris, and eliminates potential competition, the bill has been nicknamed the Marlboro Monopoly act of 2009.[5] Philip Morris strongly supports FDA regulation.[6][7] The exemption was reportedly influenced by the Congressional Black Caucus.[3][4] The Tobacco Products Scientific Advisory Committee provisioned under the bill is to submit a recommendation on menthol cigarettes to the United States Secretary of Health and Human Services no later than one year after its establishment.


Okay... I'm having serious issues (being a smoker who only really smoked clove cigarettes) with this new bill. It's BULLSHIT. It was first made to the public as a way to protect young children from smoking by eliminating fruit and candy flavored cigarettes from the market. The odd thing is, which I put in bold, menthols are not part of this ban. They taste like mints, and I know for a fact (and from experience) that most children smoke these as their first cigarettes because they are the easiest to get their hands on without going to a specialty tobacco shop. What's even worse is that this bill was only placed to help a major tobacco company profit with no chances of competition.

I'm buying my cloves online from now on. At least that's still legal.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:48 pm


I have nothing against them forcing the companies to put the incredients on the packaging, because all that does is... force companies to put the incredients on the packaging...

But banning the purchase, sale or distribution of tobacco iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis wrong. I can ******** my body up however I want to, and the state should have no say in whether I am allowed to do it, purchase the means to do it, or whether people can sell it to me.

At the same time: Smokers... you are all ******** idiots. I accord you the right to ******** yourselves however you want, but I also have the right to call you ******** for doing so.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:57 pm


Louis-Auguste Robespierre
I have nothing against them forcing the companies to put the incredients on the packaging, because all that does is... force companies to put the incredients on the packaging...

But banning the purchase, sale or distribution of tobacco iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis wrong. I can ******** my body up however I want to, and the state should have no say in whether I am allowed to do it, purchase the means to do it, or whether people can sell it to me.

At the same time: Smokers... you are all ******** idiots. I accord you the right to ******** yourselves however you want, but I also have the right to call you ******** for doing so.


It's ridiculous. It's even worse when it's a major tobacco company helped write it to a way it benefits them. Menthols SUCK.

And yes, you have every right to call me a ******** for wanting to smoke every now and then. 3nodding
PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:04 pm


No more Black n' Milds crying crying

Intermundia


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:53 pm


Being a proud supporter of the anti-tobacco side of the argument, I see nothing wrong with this bill.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:56 pm


Comrade Rob
No more Black n' Milds crying crying


They still have the non-flavored ones.

I think it's kind of funny that people agree with major corporations telling the government what it should do. Especially when it's in this guild and two people voted "no"... stare

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Comrade Kotka

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:44 pm


I voted 'Yes (non smokers)' because I smoke less than once a month... (actually, I can't really remember the last time I smoked... anyway, only VERY occasionally).

As an aside, I loooove walking past people smoking clove cigarettes. Also I've been known to smoke menthols, haha. I can't imagine why they'd be seen as a good gateway into real smoking though... I don't think they're much more appealing in terms of harshness. o_O
Oh, once I had a chocolate cigarette. That was the best.

I don't really know what my point is, haha. But I think it's silly that they would ban these... kinda like banning those candy alcohol drinks.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:59 pm


Comrade Kotka
kinda like banning those candy alcohol drinks.

Oh, Rudd! When will you ever learn?

Herobane
Being a proud supporter of the anti-tobacco side of the argument, I see nothing wrong with this bill.

Bane of Heros alright!
So basically...

You say that it is ok for the capitalist state to determine what is good for people, and what they should or shouldn't put into their own bodies?

Le Pere Duchesne
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:52 am


Well, I guess Im going to have to say it.
Narcotics are the chains weilded by the bourgeoisie. Now most likely im going to get bashed for this because everyone here is on something, but I really feel no sympathy for your pro-drug causes.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:24 pm


Louis-Auguste Robespierre
I have nothing against them forcing the companies to put the incredients on the packaging, because all that does is... force companies to put the incredients on the packaging...

But banning the purchase, sale or distribution of tobacco iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis wrong. I can ******** my body up however I want to, and the state should have no say in whether I am allowed to do it, purchase the means to do it, or whether people can sell it to me.

At the same time: Smokers... you are all ******** idiots. I accord you the right to ******** yourselves however you want, but I also have the right to call you ******** for doing so.

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Le Pere Duchesne
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:57 am


Nokturnal Evisceration
Well, I guess Im going to have to say it.
Narcotics are the chains weilded by the bourgeoisie. Now most likely im going to get bashed for this because everyone here is on something, but I really feel no sympathy for your pro-drug causes.

The thing is, that side-steps the important question:
Does the capitalist state have the right to tell people what they can and cannot do to their own bodies?
I cannot in good conscience allow the state any more coercive power, because I know that in the end, they will use it against the working class.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:19 am


Louis-Auguste Robespierre
Nokturnal Evisceration
Well, I guess Im going to have to say it.
Narcotics are the chains weilded by the bourgeoisie. Now most likely im going to get bashed for this because everyone here is on something, but I really feel no sympathy for your pro-drug causes.

The thing is, that side-steps the important question:
Does the capitalist state have the right to tell people what they can and cannot do to their own bodies?
I cannot in good conscience allow the state any more coercive power, because I know that in the end, they will use it against the working class.
Good point, Id rather have a Red Government tell me what I can and cannot do with my body; the capitalists have enough power as it is.

Also the thing I find most F'ed up about this bill is that they made a law, yet made an exception for there buddies [the executives of Phillip Morris], shows who makes the laws in the capitalist system.

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