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 Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:02 pm
Just a question that I thought up, should we not ever eat animals? Should we refrain from ever receiving that protein and only eat of plants and things that we can grow? Would eating plants be just as harmful, being as how a plant is also a living thing?
I enjoy meat. I don't eat it often, but I like to have a good steak or some chicken a couple times a week. I never really have seen a problem with eating meat, for God did put them on the earth for sustinance.
What are your thoughts?
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Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 4:40 pm
As long as you aren't killing the animal for sport or just for the sake of killing it as a trophy, and you plan to use the animal for food, then by all means eat meat. I love meat! Not so much that I wouldn't be able to give it up if asked, but I definitely enjoy eating on occasion!
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Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:49 pm
Well animals weren't for eating as far as i know till after the flood, and whats interesting is that longevity went down after the flood, but then again it could only be a coincidence that vegetarians and vegans usually live longer. Also .. do you really think we will be chasing animals around with knives and forks in heaven or the new earth? Bible says that the lion will be eating straw in the new world... makes ya kinda think we won't be eating meat. Now God did say you could eat the clean animals but being allowed to do something doesn't mean its the best for you ya know? I dont judge people on what they eat but i ill throw out the facts "well what i believe are facts" if anyone's interested i have a realllllllllyyyyyy good health video series about animal foods via video stream.
Oh.. and you can get more protein from plant based foods than meat, ever think how a bull got is muscle? wasnt from eating other cows
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Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:24 pm
The Bible really isn't too specific about whether we should eat or use animals for food or not.
I was told that we should consume meat sparingly. I agree with that. I don't like to eat meat a lot any ways because it's expensive and I hate handling raw meat! Grosses me out! Plus if I eat too much too often, I feel sort of sick afterwords.
Now a days, it's hard to tell where the bull received it's muscle...some of it was from grain and grass, but some times there are steroids in their feed that they are given.
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Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:36 pm
i agree that animals have been tampered with to the point that i think its unhealthy to consume them. Your taking in whatever they have been treated with .. lets get away from farm animals . were do the elephants get the muscle? they seem to survive without milk and meat. hmm but don't the milk industries tell us we must have milk??? and the meat franchises go nuts on the protein when honestly these nutrients are only 2 of a large category you should be taking in. A plant based diet provides it all, protein and calcium more than they like to publicize.
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Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:03 pm
LordTalisEraphen i agree that animals have been tampered with to the point that i think its unhealthy to consume them. Your taking in whatever they have been treated with .. lets get away from farm animals . were do the elephants get the muscle? they seem to survive without milk and meat. hmm but don't the milk industries tell us we must have milk??? and the meat franchises go nuts on the protein when honestly these nutrients are only 2 of a large category you should be taking in. A plant based diet provides it all, protein and calcium more than they like to publicize. Actually it's quite healthy to consume any farm animal. The steroids don't alter the meat, and the grains and what not that they also provide don't alter the meat. You're talking to two people that live and breathe cattle and farm animals. We are born and raised in Wyoming, just for your information but yeah. Elephants? I don't know much about them. I'm not from Africa but I can't vouch for them. I know, comparably speaking though, a cow is so heavy from fat and organs, not really meat. Yes, they get a lot of meat on them, but hauling around 2,000lbs plus for a year tends to put on a lot of meat. I would assume the same thing for elephants. They are born weighing alot and they need to build meat to survive. Where do they get it? Yes, plants do provide protein, but the human body has been shown to need the meat from animals. Not in able to survive no, but for a healthy body yes. It also shows different factors besides just the obvious of a protein diet. What happens if we don’t eat enough protein? Unlike fat and glucose, our body has little capacity to store protein. If we were to stop eating protein, our body would start to break down muscle for its needs within a day or so. about.com With milk, do people know how bad it hurts the cow when is not milked? It would be mean NOT to milk a cow.
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Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:10 pm
Here's a little something that I found from the McKinley Health Center from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign.
Macronutrients: the Importance of Carbohydrate, Protein, and Fat
WHAT ARE MACRONUTRIENTS?
Macronutrients are nutrients that provide calories or energy. Nutrients are substances needed for growth, metabolism, and for other body functions. Since “macro” means large, macronutrients are nutrients needed in large amounts. There are three macronutrients:
Carbohydrate
Protein
Fat
While each of these macronutrients provides calories, the amount of calories that each one provides varies.
Carbohydrate provides 4 calories per gram.
Protein provides 4 calories per gram.
Fat provides 9 calories per gram.
This means that if you looked at the Nutrition Facts label of a product and it said 12 grams of carbohydrate, 0 grams of fat, and 0 grams of protein per serving, you would know that this food has about 48 calories per serving (12 grams carbohydrate multiplied by 4 calories for each gram of carbohydrate = 48 calories).
Besides carbohydrate, protein, and fat the only other substance that provides calories is alcohol. Alcohol provides 7 calories per gram. Alcohol, however, is not a macronutrient because we do not need it for survival.
WHY DO WE NEED CARBOHYDRATES TO SURVIVE?
Carbohydrates are the macronutrient that we need in the largest amounts. According to the Dietary Reference Intakes published by the USDA, 45% - 65% of calories should come from carbohydrate. We need this amount of carbohydrate because:
Carbohydrates are the body’s main source of fuel.
Carbohydrates are easily used by the body for energy.
All of the tissues and cells in our body can use glucose for energy.
Carbohydrates are needed for the central nervous system, the kidneys, the brain, the muscles (including the heart) to function properly.
Carbohydrates can be stored in the muscles and liver and later used for energy.
Carbohydrates are important in intestinal health and waste elimination.
Carbohydrates are mainly found in starchy foods (like grain and potatoes), fruits, milk, and yogurt. Other foods like vegetables, beans, nuts, seeds and cottage cheese contain carbohydrates, but in lesser amounts.
Fiber refers to certain types of carbohydrates that our body cannot digest. These carbohydrates pass through the intestinal tract intact and help to move waste out of the body. Diets that are low in fiber have been shown to cause problems such as constipation and hemorrhoids and to increase the risk for certain types of cancers such as colon cancer. Diets high in fiber; however, have been shown to decrease risks for heart disease, obesity, and they help lower cholesterol. Foods high in fiber include fruits, vegetables, and whole grain products.
WHY DO WE NEED PROTEIN TO SURVIVE?
According to the Dietary Reference Intakes published by the USDA 10% - 35% of calories should come from protein. Most Americans get plenty of protein, and easily meet this need by consuming a balanced diet. We need protein for:
Growth (especially important for children, teens, and pregnant women)
Tissue repair
Immune function
Making essential hormones and enzymes
Energy when carbohydrate is not available
Preserving lean muscle mass
Protein is found in meats, poultry, fish, meat substitutes, cheese, milk, nuts, legumes, and in smaller quantities in starchy foods and vegetables.
When we eat these types of foods, our body breaks down the protein that they contain into amino acids (the building blocks of proteins). Some amino acids are essential which means that we need to get them from our diet, and others are nonessential which means that our body can make them. Protein that comes from animal sources contains all of the essential amino acids that we need. Plant sources of protein, on the other hand, do not contain all of the essential amino acids.
WHY DO WE NEED FAT TO SURVIVE?
Although fats have received a bad reputation for causing weight gain, some fat is essential for survival. According to the Dietary Reference Intakes published by the USDA 20% - 35% of calories should come from fat. We need this amount of fat for:
Normal growth and development
Energy (fat is the most concentrated source of energy)
Absorbing certain vitamins ( like vitamins A, D, E, K, and carotenoids)
Providing cushioning for the organs
Maintaining cell membranes
Providing taste, consistency, and stability to foods
Fat is found in meat, poultry, nuts, milk products, butters and margarines, oils, lard, fish, grain products and salad dressings. There are three main types of fat, saturated fat, unsaturated fat, and trans fat. Saturated fat (found in foods like meat, butter, lard, and cream) and trans fat (found in baked goods, snack foods, fried foods, and margarines) have been shown to increase your risk for heart disease. Replacing saturated and trans fat in your diet with unsaturated fat (found in foods like olive oil, avocados, nuts, and canola oil) has been shown decrease the risk of developing heart disease.
A NOTE ON MICRONUTRIENTS
Although macronutrients are very important they are not the only things that we need for survival. Our bodies also need water (6-8 glasses a day) and micronutrients. Micronutrients are nutrients that our bodies need in smaller amounts, and include vitamins and minerals. (See the Vitamins and Minerals handout for more information).
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:18 am
Meat=murder.
Murder is yummy. :{ )
God sanctions the eating of certain meats.
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 3:58 am
Someoneiknow Here's a little something that I found from the McKinley Health Center from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. Macronutrients: the Importance of Carbohydrate, Protein, and Fat WHAT ARE MACRONUTRIENTS? Macronutrients are nutrients that provide calories or energy. Nutrients are substances needed for growth, metabolism, and for other body functions. Since “macro” means large, macronutrients are nutrients needed in large amounts. There are three macronutrients: Carbohydrate Protein Fat While each of these macronutrients provides calories, the amount of calories that each one provides varies. Carbohydrate provides 4 calories per gram. Protein provides 4 calories per gram. Fat provides 9 calories per gram. This means that if you looked at the Nutrition Facts label of a product and it said 12 grams of carbohydrate, 0 grams of fat, and 0 grams of protein per serving, you would know that this food has about 48 calories per serving (12 grams carbohydrate multiplied by 4 calories for each gram of carbohydrate = 48 calories). Besides carbohydrate, protein, and fat the only other substance that provides calories is alcohol. Alcohol provides 7 calories per gram. Alcohol, however, is not a macronutrient because we do not need it for survival. WHY DO WE NEED CARBOHYDRATES TO SURVIVE? Carbohydrates are the macronutrient that we need in the largest amounts. According to the Dietary Reference Intakes published by the USDA, 45% - 65% of calories should come from carbohydrate. We need this amount of carbohydrate because: Carbohydrates are the body’s main source of fuel. Carbohydrates are easily used by the body for energy. All of the tissues and cells in our body can use glucose for energy. Carbohydrates are needed for the central nervous system, the kidneys, the brain, the muscles (including the heart) to function properly. Carbohydrates can be stored in the muscles and liver and later used for energy. Carbohydrates are important in intestinal health and waste elimination. Carbohydrates are mainly found in starchy foods (like grain and potatoes), fruits, milk, and yogurt. Other foods like vegetables, beans, nuts, seeds and cottage cheese contain carbohydrates, but in lesser amounts. Fiber refers to certain types of carbohydrates that our body cannot digest. These carbohydrates pass through the intestinal tract intact and help to move waste out of the body. Diets that are low in fiber have been shown to cause problems such as constipation and hemorrhoids and to increase the risk for certain types of cancers such as colon cancer. Diets high in fiber; however, have been shown to decrease risks for heart disease, obesity, and they help lower cholesterol. Foods high in fiber include fruits, vegetables, and whole grain products. WHY DO WE NEED PROTEIN TO SURVIVE? According to the Dietary Reference Intakes published by the USDA 10% - 35% of calories should come from protein. Most Americans get plenty of protein, and easily meet this need by consuming a balanced diet. We need protein for: Growth (especially important for children, teens, and pregnant women) Tissue repair Immune function Making essential hormones and enzymes Energy when carbohydrate is not available Preserving lean muscle mass Protein is found in meats, poultry, fish, meat substitutes, cheese, milk, nuts, legumes, and in smaller quantities in starchy foods and vegetables. When we eat these types of foods, our body breaks down the protein that they contain into amino acids (the building blocks of proteins). Some amino acids are essential which means that we need to get them from our diet, and others are nonessential which means that our body can make them. Protein that comes from animal sources contains all of the essential amino acids that we need. Plant sources of protein, on the other hand, do not contain all of the essential amino acids. WHY DO WE NEED FAT TO SURVIVE? Although fats have received a bad reputation for causing weight gain, some fat is essential for survival. According to the Dietary Reference Intakes published by the USDA 20% - 35% of calories should come from fat. We need this amount of fat for: Normal growth and development Energy (fat is the most concentrated source of energy) Absorbing certain vitamins ( like vitamins A, D, E, K, and carotenoids) Providing cushioning for the organs Maintaining cell membranes Providing taste, consistency, and stability to foods Fat is found in meat, poultry, nuts, milk products, butters and margarines, oils, lard, fish, grain products and salad dressings. There are three main types of fat, saturated fat, unsaturated fat, and trans fat. Saturated fat (found in foods like meat, butter, lard, and cream) and trans fat (found in baked goods, snack foods, fried foods, and margarines) have been shown to increase your risk for heart disease. Replacing saturated and trans fat in your diet with unsaturated fat (found in foods like olive oil, avocados, nuts, and canola oil) has been shown decrease the risk of developing heart disease. A NOTE ON MICRONUTRIENTS Although macronutrients are very important they are not the only things that we need for survival. Our bodies also need water (6-8 glasses a day) and micronutrients. Micronutrients are nutrients that our bodies need in smaller amounts, and include vitamins and minerals. (See the Vitamins and Minerals handout for more information). wow when i get back from vacation ill throw out some curves for you .. and um no those hormones are actually bad for you and i can prove it , not to mention the fact that no meat does not equal a balanced diet im a 28 year old carpet installer i have been a vegetarian for 5 years and a vegan for 2 years after that ill throw in a picture of my muscles if i have too , and muscle are not the only benefit i have from being vegan. Yes cows need milked or they start having pain but guess what happens after you stop milking them? it eventually stops hurting .. the same thing happens with pregnancy for women i should know my wifes going through it , should i start milking her ? or should we just let it gradually go through its natural process?
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:08 am
LordTalisEraphen Well animals weren't for eating as far as i know till after the flood, and whats interesting is that longevity went down after the flood, but then again it could only be a coincidence that vegetarians and vegans usually live longer. Also .. do you really think we will be chasing animals around with knives and forks in heaven or the new earth? Bible says that the lion will be eating straw in the new world... makes ya kinda think we won't be eating meat. Now God did say you could eat the clean animals but being allowed to do something doesn't mean its the best for you ya know? I dont judge people on what they eat but i ill throw out the facts "well what i believe are facts" if anyone's interested i have a realllllllllyyyyyy good health video series about animal foods via video stream. Oh.. and you can get more protein from plant based foods than meat, ever think how a bull got is muscle? wasnt from eating other cows Amen to that dude! ^^
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Angel of the End Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:13 am
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 8:41 am
LordTalisEraphen Someoneiknow Here's a little something that I found from the McKinley Health Center from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. Macronutrients: the Importance of Carbohydrate, Protein, and Fat WHAT ARE MACRONUTRIENTS? Macronutrients are nutrients that provide calories or energy. Nutrients are substances needed for growth, metabolism, and for other body functions. Since “macro” means large, macronutrients are nutrients needed in large amounts. There are three macronutrients: Carbohydrate Protein Fat While each of these macronutrients provides calories, the amount of calories that each one provides varies. Carbohydrate provides 4 calories per gram. Protein provides 4 calories per gram. Fat provides 9 calories per gram. This means that if you looked at the Nutrition Facts label of a product and it said 12 grams of carbohydrate, 0 grams of fat, and 0 grams of protein per serving, you would know that this food has about 48 calories per serving (12 grams carbohydrate multiplied by 4 calories for each gram of carbohydrate = 48 calories). Besides carbohydrate, protein, and fat the only other substance that provides calories is alcohol. Alcohol provides 7 calories per gram. Alcohol, however, is not a macronutrient because we do not need it for survival. WHY DO WE NEED CARBOHYDRATES TO SURVIVE? Carbohydrates are the macronutrient that we need in the largest amounts. According to the Dietary Reference Intakes published by the USDA, 45% - 65% of calories should come from carbohydrate. We need this amount of carbohydrate because: Carbohydrates are the body’s main source of fuel. Carbohydrates are easily used by the body for energy. All of the tissues and cells in our body can use glucose for energy. Carbohydrates are needed for the central nervous system, the kidneys, the brain, the muscles (including the heart) to function properly. Carbohydrates can be stored in the muscles and liver and later used for energy. Carbohydrates are important in intestinal health and waste elimination. Carbohydrates are mainly found in starchy foods (like grain and potatoes), fruits, milk, and yogurt. Other foods like vegetables, beans, nuts, seeds and cottage cheese contain carbohydrates, but in lesser amounts. Fiber refers to certain types of carbohydrates that our body cannot digest. These carbohydrates pass through the intestinal tract intact and help to move waste out of the body. Diets that are low in fiber have been shown to cause problems such as constipation and hemorrhoids and to increase the risk for certain types of cancers such as colon cancer. Diets high in fiber; however, have been shown to decrease risks for heart disease, obesity, and they help lower cholesterol. Foods high in fiber include fruits, vegetables, and whole grain products. WHY DO WE NEED PROTEIN TO SURVIVE? According to the Dietary Reference Intakes published by the USDA 10% - 35% of calories should come from protein. Most Americans get plenty of protein, and easily meet this need by consuming a balanced diet. We need protein for: Growth (especially important for children, teens, and pregnant women) Tissue repair Immune function Making essential hormones and enzymes Energy when carbohydrate is not available Preserving lean muscle mass Protein is found in meats, poultry, fish, meat substitutes, cheese, milk, nuts, legumes, and in smaller quantities in starchy foods and vegetables. When we eat these types of foods, our body breaks down the protein that they contain into amino acids (the building blocks of proteins). Some amino acids are essential which means that we need to get them from our diet, and others are nonessential which means that our body can make them. Protein that comes from animal sources contains all of the essential amino acids that we need. Plant sources of protein, on the other hand, do not contain all of the essential amino acids. WHY DO WE NEED FAT TO SURVIVE? Although fats have received a bad reputation for causing weight gain, some fat is essential for survival. According to the Dietary Reference Intakes published by the USDA 20% - 35% of calories should come from fat. We need this amount of fat for: Normal growth and development Energy (fat is the most concentrated source of energy) Absorbing certain vitamins ( like vitamins A, D, E, K, and carotenoids) Providing cushioning for the organs Maintaining cell membranes Providing taste, consistency, and stability to foods Fat is found in meat, poultry, nuts, milk products, butters and margarines, oils, lard, fish, grain products and salad dressings. There are three main types of fat, saturated fat, unsaturated fat, and trans fat. Saturated fat (found in foods like meat, butter, lard, and cream) and trans fat (found in baked goods, snack foods, fried foods, and margarines) have been shown to increase your risk for heart disease. Replacing saturated and trans fat in your diet with unsaturated fat (found in foods like olive oil, avocados, nuts, and canola oil) has been shown decrease the risk of developing heart disease. A NOTE ON MICRONUTRIENTS Although macronutrients are very important they are not the only things that we need for survival. Our bodies also need water (6-8 glasses a day) and micronutrients. Micronutrients are nutrients that our bodies need in smaller amounts, and include vitamins and minerals. (See the Vitamins and Minerals handout for more information). wow when i get back from vacation ill throw out some curves for you .. and um no those hormones are actually bad for you and i can prove it , not to mention the fact that no meat does not equal a balanced diet im a 28 year old carpet installer i have been a vegetarian for 5 years and a vegan for 2 years after that ill throw in a picture of my muscles if i have too , and muscle are not the only benefit i have from being vegan. Yes cows need milked or they start having pain but guess what happens after you stop milking them? it eventually stops hurting .. the same thing happens with pregnancy for women i should know my wifes going through it , should i start milking her ? or should we just let it gradually go through its natural process? Yea it does stop hurting, but you can't just stop cold turkey. And the cows don't care if you milk them. And I nursed my child too, but when I stopped nursing her I had to it gradually otherwise it would've been painful. And you can't really compare a cow to a human. They're built different and designed for different things and purposes. Also when I helped out on a dairy farm, I was told that if you didn't milk the cow, they could get infections in their udders that would some times be bad enough to where they'd have to put the cow down so she wasn't suffering. About the way we eat, it doesn't matter whether you are vegan, vegitarian, meat eater, etc. the point is too much of any thing is harmful to you. If you eat too many vegatables, well you could get sick, too much meat can cause some problems too. It has to be in balance. I don't eat a lot of meat myself, but I do enjoy some from time to time. Muscles isn't just built by eating meat or protein alone. But I have seen the difference between a cow who was simply raised off grass and then one who had a blend of grass and protein in it's diet and there is a heck of a difference in the cows health, and it's meat. My cousin is a cattle rancher and the only type of protein I've seen him throw in his cows diet is the whey protein that actually comes from cows milk.
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 8:47 am
To much of anything is the reasoning here? i dont understand ... i know of 4teneration vegans that are very healthy,y health has not changed for the worse since i went to all plant based diet so i really dont understand how meat balances me. Plus your talking of one ranch i can show you many video were they dont feed them or exercise them they basically grind down dead cows chicken waste fish etc and feed it to the poor cows. Not to mention and the stats dont lie that vegans out live anyone on a animal based diet.
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 8:49 am
LordTalisEraphen i agree that animals have been tampered with to the point that i think its unhealthy to consume them. Your taking in whatever they have been treated with .. lets get away from farm animals . were do the elephants get the muscle? they seem to survive without milk and meat. hmm but don't the milk industries tell us we must have milk??? and the meat franchises go nuts on the protein when honestly these nutrients are only 2 of a large category you should be taking in. A plant based diet provides it all, protein and calcium more than they like to publicize. Some animals have been tampered with to the point that it is unhealthy for us to consume them, but I cannot account for the ranchers actions in doing so. Like I said in my previous post, my uncle is a rancher and only gives his beef whey protein. I raised sheep for several years of my life and gave them whey protein too. If I gave them stricty grain, which I started out doing, they started to look thin and malnurished. They needed that little bit of protein in their diets that grass couldn't give them. I don't know much about elephants to be honest, so I couldn't tell you. I've seen some elephants eat clay because it provided nutrients that the grass is lacking. When I was pregnant, my doctor told me that if I didn't eat some meat, my baby would be born with a low birth weight, or my body would start compensating it's own nutrients that both my baby and I needed and we both could've ended up being very sick. The bible never condones nor condemns the use of animals for meat. It's a gray area that one must use their own conscience to choose what they want to do. The ancients ate a lot more meat than we want to give them credit for, especially those who were nomadic and didn't stick around in one place long enough for a crop to grow. They followed the herds of deer, buffalo, etc. for their food.
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 8:52 am
LordTalisEraphen To much of anything is the reasoning here? i dont understand ... i know of 4teneration vegans that are very healthy,y health has not changed for the worse since i went to all plant based diet so i really dont understand how meat balances me. Plus your talking of one ranch i can show you many video were they dont feed them or exercise them they basically grind down dead cows chicken waste fish etc and feed it to the poor cows. No I was just simply throwing that in as a point in my arguement. I don't doubt that vegans are very healthy people, but I also can't say that those who eat both a balance of meat and vegatables are just as healthy. And I'm not denying what other cattle ranchers have done, but you know that's not on my head and I'm not going to go protest at their fences while they feed their cattle some thing like that. I can't do that. Pigs are fed the same way. Some of them get table scraps. Heck I know dogs that eat table scraps.
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