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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:33 pm


Post your feelings on hunting and gun owning.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:46 pm


My basic feelings on these two, "touchy" issues are as here follows. Gun owning, is a natural right to every mentally stable american out there with a clean record. However, I think some things should be changed. Of course, whiny **** for decades oppose guns and hunting, as they are made out of pure, polished p***y. I feel that while they used to be shunned by the hard working American man, they are receiving more embrace than ever now.

Even our own, "genius" President Barack Hussein Obama. Our new government, which is largely made up of everyone's favorite power for the sake of power political group we refer to as, democrats. They can now pass a hunting or gun owning act with no notice. They are the major leading power that controls weapon and hunting regulations, so when a trend of acts start, they just don't stop, and our president, ( who barely served 3 years and his only experience is as a senator) will be happy to stamp his approval.

While I probably have alot more to say, I could go on forever. I feel challenged by my own government and their ridiculous actions than ever before, and have lost whatever loose faith in Washington, and my personal respect for hunting and firearms, as I own and do hunt myself, see no reason why the average Joe must go through waiting periods and may not get certain guns, as a criminial will not use the government system to get guns, they will use the street.

So what these acts are really doing are restraining average people to get guns, and strengthening the street circulation of weapons, so violence will be even more prevalent.

And Obama and his cronies have made it even more apparent their blind bunny gushy feelings about how hunting should be, having probably never engaged in it before, will simply go with the trend, and I especially feel Obama is but a pretty faced puppet for the new generation of eco friendly freak sissy nerds we call young democrats.

Those are some of my feelings on the issue. More as I can think of them.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:06 pm


*coughcoughyoungdemocratsuperliberalhere*

Alrighty, here are my thoughts. I'm actually alright with hunting, as long as the species isn't endangered. I'm even fine with not using the body for anything, just letting it rot (although I prefer you wouldn't). Why? Simple. Animals kill animals. It's a fact of life. Most animals kill others simply for food or protection; some, such as humans, kill for fun. Nothing wrong with that. However, wiping out entire species is just nowhere near a good idea. Not just because "Think of the ANIMALS" and "creatures with brains the size of a peanut are PEOPLE TOO". No, quite simply, whenever a complete species is eradicated the eco system goes a little wacky, and eventually that will work its way up to us humans.

As for guns....that's a little tricky. I believe everybody should be able to defend themselves, but I don't want guns so easily obtainable. I honestly think that owning a gun should be more of a privilege, not a right-guilty until proven innocent, not innocent until you go out and mug someone.
...That probably sounds so socialist.

Also, they need to do more to crack down on street circulation.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:09 pm


Wow, Lunar has a brain!

You know Lunar, your not as liberal as you think.

On hunting: Well of course, we cannot legally hunt endangered species. xD
I don't know any hunter that kills just for fun and leaves the corpse there, contrary to popular belief, hunters usually gut their deer right after shooting, on the open field, and get the meat ready for butchering and they may eat it or sell it.

Yes, it is everyone's right to defend themselves. Guns are already hard to attain. Certain people with emotional/mental issues or even an extremely slight criminal issue are prohibited. You cannot get legally any weapon, and the weapons are divided into, "grades". And some weapons take permits to get.

Yes, street circulation can help you get "any" weapon out there, for a no questions cut down price, and it should be cut down.

By the way Lunar, I find myself agreeing with you more than disagreeing. I think you are a conservative republican and just don't know it. Go with these thoughts. You are not a democrat.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:30 pm


Ahhhhhh, but instead of believing that the government should regulate less, I believe they should keep regulating, just improve on follow through. Don't get me wrong, I don't want big brother, but I think the government should regulate more, and that we should put more resources into public services (police, schools, ect) which means more taxes, which I believe are Conservatives greatest enemy, no?
Anyway, back to topic at hand (believe me, I will be making some topics, if I am allowed too).
Hunting: Yeah, I know. But there are always people who think that they're entitled to the earth, and that just irks me.

Guns: They're still pretty easily obtainable in some places. Also, there's a part of the Second Amendment that everybody forgets about when they invoke it.
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Yes, it says people can keep and bear arms, but it's under the assumption that it's for a militia. A militia is a group of people protecting their town, country, or state from attack (if they're protecting the entire country directly, then it's an army). Most people who argue for gun rights only want them to defend themselves from whatevery the feel they need defending from.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:14 am


Lunar, you see, all of the major regulations were put in 30 years ago. When they had a clear brain for thinkin'.
Now, they can slip in unneeded major regulations on guns & hunting without the public, just because the lawmakers feel it so? I think that may be because they never hunted or owned a gun, or maybe even ever shot or loaded it, and know it's more a critic can make fun of.
And were do we get into public services?
They are not neccesarily underfunded. Most major cities and towns have fine schools and police services. However, small dinky towns may only have a constable and his retarded half brother as a force.
That we should work on.

And moreover, government can use a widely unkown tactic, lets call it, "fast pass". It is not used once or twice a month, but once or twice every five days. It involves a general agreement by said section of the government for the plan to run.
Lawmakers: Make it!
House: Stamps approval!
Congress: Stamps approval!
President: Stamps approval!
Press: Government controlled, lets little info out

This slimy tactic works because all government now has a united purpose (democrats) And can pass anything that quiet and slimy because they know americans don't want it. Which I believe is the democrats greatest tools, no?

Well, legally no, and your assuming this. Only by the street. Thats were we need to crack down on. Not Average Joe going to get a hunting rifle for his 14 year old.
Well, you have the wrong idea on this Amendment. It is listing rights. When it says "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State," Is simply telling you that. While : the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
And it is not under the assumption of a militia. You are assuming that.
Contrary to popular belief, those who argue for gun rights want the government to uphold it's promise.

[Oh Lunar feel free. You think I make all these topics just to blown my horn? No, I do it so others can share their political/religious anger with me. As long as it' not innapropriate, or you give it a title like, "First Member Thread, or something stupid like that, feel free. Yeah the old format is good but feel free to try new ones out.]

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:54 am


By "clear brain for thinkin'" I ssume you meant when people who agree with you. And I also assume you mean the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968, Gun Control Act (196 cool , and the Firearms Owner's Protection Act (1986), which were put into law during...Lyndon B. Johnson's last year, seeing as that was the election year. Anyway, let's look at the blow by blow:
Omibus: prohibited interstate trade, increased minimum age to buy to 21, established national gun licensing system. ( I can get behind this)
GCA- prohibited
Quote:
# Anyone who has been convicted in a federal court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding 1 year, excluding crimes of imprisonment that are related to the regulation of business practices.
# Anyone who has been convicted in a state court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding 2 years, excluding crimes of imprisonment that are related to the regulation of business practices.
# Anyone who is a fugitive from justice.
# Anyone who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance.
# Anyone who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to a mental institution.
# Any alien illegally or unlawfully in the United States or an alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa. Aliens who have a tourist visa or student visa may possess guns if they have a current, valid hunting license.
# Anyone who has been discharged from the US Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions.
# Anyone who, having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced his or her citizenship.
# Anyone that is subject to a court order that restrains the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such intimate partner.
# Anyone who has been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence
(the problem with this is it seems to prevent crime after a crime has happened)
Lowers minimum age to 18, establishes Federal Firearm Lisence, keeps minimum age for handguns to 21.
FOA: reformed Federal Firearms License, banned machine guns, reformed travel restictions, forbides any agency (including government) from keeping a registry of non National Firearms Act guns and their owners and prohibits
Quote:
* Anyone who has been convicted in any court of, a felony punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding 1 year, excluding those crimes punishable by imprisonment related to the regulation of business practices.
* Anyone who is a fugitive from justice.
* Anyone who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance.
* Anyone who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to a mental institution.
* Any alien illegally or unlawfully in the United States or an alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa. The exception is if the nonimmigrant is in possession of a valid hunting license issued by a US state.
* Anyone who has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions.
* Anyone who, having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced his or her citizenship.
* Anyone that is subject to a court order that restrains the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such intimate partner. (Added in 1996, with the Lautenberg Amendment.)
* Anyone who has been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence. (Added in 1996, with the Lautenberg Amendment)[6]
* A person who is under indictment or information for a crime (misdemeanor or felony) punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year cannot lawfully receive a firearm. Such person may continue to lawfully possess firearms obtained prior to the indictment or information, and if cleared or acquitted can receive firearms without restriction.

from owning them.

Didn't George Bush use that tactic in his first term?
I'm not gonna keep arguing the Second. It's one of those things where we'll both think we'll win but neither of us will.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:17 pm


Not neccesarily those who agree with me have a clear brain for thinkin. Don't put to much emphasis on those types of statements.

I wouldn't put too much emphasis on certain laws and acts, but probably larger clusters of laws, as a single law is unfair to assume. For a note, I have no idea what the hell the Omnibus or Street acts are, and unless on a specific note, and they are largely irrelevant and due mostly with age.
If you would like to discuss the Omni-whatever the f*** please do make a thread and i'd be happy to look it up just like you did and debate.

You also assume I like Bush or agree with him, which I mostly do not. Just because i'm republican doens't mean i'm naive as to liking every republican, as you probably are with democrat icons.

I don't understand this "tactic" statement. You don't explain which tactic he used. And I thought we were discussing the "fast pass" topic.

Clear your thoughts up and repost.
(If you would like, I could debate individual laws with you. Lamenting you post them as a topic.)

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:55 pm


Call me cronie because I happen to be an active animal rights defender. Now, I do understand that hunting is not just shoot and leave for MOST, however, there are enough ignorant people out there who kill completely for sport and the need for control. Now, dear, rabbits, squirrells, please by all means hunt them if I'm not with you. Use the parts needed, eat/sell the meat, and go on with you lovely lives. However, there has been a recent law passed stating that since wolves are no longer on the endangered spiecies list, they are legally huntable. What?! If they just got out of endangerment, why are we hunting them? Will that not just but them back into endangerment and possible extinction? As Lunar said earlier, the loss of a great number of a species or complete depletion has a MASSIVE effect on our ecosystem and our lives in said ecosystem. Sure, some wolves kill livestock, sure some bears get into camps, yes our whales are exsistant in the oceans, but does that mean we should kill them all, when it is in fact our fault for destroying their homes and driving them towards us?

Now, onto the 'right to bare arms' issue. I say, let us see to our constitutional right to own a weapon if and only if we have the right personality. Now, if you are a person who has been tried with sexual assault, domestic violence, paranoia, or any other mental/physical problems that may make you unreasonable to own a firearm, by all means, take them away! I don't want my baby niece shot by a psycho rapist, do you? However, if you are mentaly sound, have no abusive or otherwise threateing record, and have the correct permits and papers, who gave the government the right to take this away from you? Was it not our founding fathers, the smart men who established our country, who said this was a good idea? Was it not them who said we should not return to a monarchy? This has been going on to long! Not just Obama, not only Bush, but even before them, the government has been slowly controlling us. I am not calling for Anarchy, but give us back our freedom and our own minds.

((Sorry for randomly butting in ^.~ ))
PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:07 pm


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