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 Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:08 pm
Comrades. Express your support or opposition to the dogmatism of the new guild homepage. Changed without discussion or deliberation with the public by your very own democratically elected Graccvhs.
An important note. It now demands all new members adhere to five key points. Implying, critics say, that without full agreement with the five pointsy you are not a socialist at all.
Discuss the homepage change here.
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:30 pm
I oppose these changes for the same reason I oppose the current constitution; Quote: The constitution does put excess ideological demands on people aside from a basic commitment to socialism; it requires them to oppose all forms of nationalism (and the concept of the nation-state altogether), a belief in the Marxist concept of class and class struggle and a belief that non-traditional sexual conduct is oppressed only because it does not serve a function in capitalist society. Quote: I have no issue with the denying racists and sexists membership, what I have an issue with is making it so people have to oppose sexism and racism on a Marxist basis (as a result of class society and class relations), and I fail to see how changing that would allow Nazis and fascists to join. Nationalism of a moderate sort, for reasons I gave in the OP, should not be reason enough to exclude one from joining this guild. Therefore, I suggest revising them along with re-wording the preamble in the constitution.
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:50 pm
iRage I oppose these changes for the same reason I oppose the current constitution; Quote: The constitution does put excess ideological demands on people aside from a basic commitment to socialism; it requires them to oppose all forms of nationalism (and the concept of the nation-state altogether), a belief in the Marxist concept of class and class struggle and a belief that non-traditional sexual conduct is oppressed only because it does not serve a function in capitalist society. Quote: I have no issue with the denying racists and sexists membership, what I have an issue with is making it so people have to oppose sexism and racism on a Marxist basis (as a result of class society and class relations), and I fail to see how changing that would allow Nazis and fascists to join. Nationalism of a moderate sort, for reasons I gave in the OP, should not be reason enough to exclude one from joining this guild. Therefore, I suggest revising them along with re-wording the preamble in the constitution. I pretty much take iRage's stance on this issue. However, when education occurs I do want it Marxist based. It cannot be denied that Marxism is the dominant ideological trend in the guild. However as proposed in the Education Council idea. Allowing for alternative forms of socialism into the agenda would not be permitted.
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 1:27 am
Temporary change to homepage.
This was agreed upon by the CC.
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:56 am
I think it's pretty bitchin'.
However, unless it was written up by the CC (which I doubt), then you need to cite your source.
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:18 am
Herobane I think it's pretty bitchin'. However, unless it was written up by the CC (which I doubt), then you need to cite your source. Bit late. It's been changed again since I made this thread. As Gracchvs noted.
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:29 am
The Curse Herobane I think it's pretty bitchin'. However, unless it was written up by the CC (which I doubt), then you need to cite your source. Bit late. It's been changed again since I made this thread. As Gracchvs noted. I didn't see that one. THe one we have right now, with the big block of metaphor is the one I think is bitchin'.
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:21 pm
Herobane The Curse Herobane I think it's pretty bitchin'. However, unless it was written up by the CC (which I doubt), then you need to cite your source. Bit late. It's been changed again since I made this thread. As Gracchvs noted. I didn't see that one. THe one we have right now, with the big block of metaphor is the one I think is bitchin'. That s**t is EPIC is what it is.
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