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 Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:10 pm
Now THIS will be fun... Hee hee. This is where I will post any sign of mental instability from the author. That's right, I am hunting through interviews, her website, and the dreaded Twilight Lexicon. Bear with me, and we'll see how this goes. First off, from her website, is a quote about when she was writing New Moon. Quote: So, as I began to sketch out New Moon, I went back to Bella's senior year of high school and asked my little cast of characters, "What happened?" I swiftly regretted asking them for the story. Because they gave me a story I wasn't expecting. More specifically, Edward told me something I didn't want to hear. I should probably mention here that I am not crazy (that I know of), it's just that I am a character writer. I write my stories because of my characters; they are the motivation and the reward. The difficulty with strong, defined characters, though, is that you can't make them do something that is out of character. They have to be who they are and, as a writer, they're often out of your control. As I started plotting New Moon (untitled at that point), it became clear that Edward was Edward, and he would have to behave as only Edward would. And, because of that, Edward was leaving. NO! I didn't want Edward to leave. I pitched a fit every bit as violent and tearful as those I've seen in New Moon discussion forums. I tried to talk him out of it. I presented him with other plot options. I begged. Edward remained unmoved.Bolded what I found interesting. One part was italicized. ...Look at that. She pitched a fit against a figment of her imagination. She tried arguing against her characters. I'm sorry, but What. The. F***?! Believe me, I understand the part about wanting to keep him in character. As a fanfiction writer and RPer, I know it well. But the thing is, it was HER character. We had no idea about his personality. We knew his looks. She could have thought something up, and said "Screw you Edward! This is my story, now leave me the hell alone!" When I get into the writing mood, I admit I do that. But that is because it messes up the plot. She lets her characters run the story, but shouldn't it be the other way around? I believe that characters are tools to tell the story. It is fun to put them in odd situations to see how the act, but in the end, YOU are the one in charge. You sculpt their personality, or follow the canon, and keep a firm outline of that character. So, how is it that Edward is supposed to be loving and only care about Bella, and yet decides to leave her in a cruel way? THAT, in my opinion, is out of character. And notice that she denies being crazy, at least not that she knows of. That's what I'm here to prove. A lot of her actions contradict that. Hence, the purpose of this topic. Another thing: Asking her characters. A lot of authors do tend to, in a sense, ask their characters what happens. That can mean looking at their personalities to see their possible reactions, following a story already set up by YOU or the creator, or just writing and seeing if that seems right. I've tried all three, and the third one normally works best, or a combination of all of them. They don't normally listen in their head to hear what they have to say. I seriously hope that it's one of the first three, not the last one. Otherwise, she's worse than I imagined. And notice how she refers to the Twilight cast as "well developed characters"? Yeah... Rich. I've covered that in other forums, if you'd like to take a look. Any thoughts or help?
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 8:39 pm
Here's another! This is also from her website. Quote: All this time, Bella and Edward were, quite literally, voices in my head. They simply wouldn't shut up. I'd stay up as late as I could stand trying to get all the stuff in my mind typed out, and then crawl, exhausted, into bed (my baby still wasn't sleeping through the night, yet) only to have another conversation start in my head. I hated to lose anything by forgetting, so I'd get up and head back down to the computer. Eventually, I got a pen and notebook for beside my bed to jot notes down so I could get some freakin' sleep. It was always an exciting challenge in the morning to try to decipher the stuff I'd scrawled across the page in the dark. During the day, I couldn't stay away from the computer, either. When I was stuck at swim lessons, out in 115 degrees of Phoenix sunshine, I would plot and scheme and come home with so much new stuff that I couldn't type fast enough. It was your typical Arizona summer, hot, sunny, hot, and hot, but when I think back to those three months, I remember rain and cool green things, like I really spent the summer in the Olympic Rainforest. When I'd finished the body of the novel, I started writing epilogues...lots of epilogues. This eventually clued me in to the fact that I wasn't ready to let go of my characters, and I started working on the sequel. Meanwhile, I continued to edit Twilight in a very obsessive-compulsive way. Okay, got all of that? Let's start: She heard the character's VOICES IN HER HEAD. Seriously? I'm sorry, but WTF? That alone sets off warning signals. If you're writing, you do tend to hear what you're writing, like when reading. But, outside of that, hearing your characters literally talking to you? Yeah... I don't know about you, but isn't that slightly creepy? She also couldn't sleep because she heard them talking. Okay, I can understand plot bunnies. I can understand having an outline of a chapter and running it through your mind before sleeping. Heck, I can understand a line that you HAVE to use popping into your head sometimes. But to hear a conversation that wouldn't let you go to sleep at night until you put it down? Again, what? I wonder what they were about? Because, again, that worries me. She also said she "wasn't ready to let go of her characters". My stance, as I've said before, is that they are tools. Yes, they have personality. But they aren't real. They do not know you in the story. They shouldn't have conversations with you in your head. While you put what you think their reactions can be in a post for fun, you have to understand they have no awareness. Just words. As I have seen so far, Smeyer seems to think, in some part of her brain she never acknowledges, that they are real. Actually, scratch that. She gave Bella the name she was saving for her daughter. In fact, she says she loves Bella like a daughter. Don't believe me? Look on her website under Twilight's story. She says it around the area where I found this quote. Also, away from the topic here, notice that she says she edited Twilight. Hee hee. Oh wait, she's serious? I was afraid of that... If she edited it so much, why are there so many errors? Please, I can find them. She's supposed to have an English degree, for Malpercio's sake! I would think a 30 plus year old woman would be able to notice things a freshman can. Rather odd, don't you think? Any one can add here! I would love to see other people's reasoning and comments. After all, it's always interesting to pick at someone.
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 8:18 am
oh gosh! did she seriously said that? wow that explain. i write story for fun too, but my characters doesn't talk in my head, the only time is when i'm getting down to my work, well that's explain of how stupid her comments is. but i gotta say, WOW!!! eek
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:53 am
To me the biggest sign of her mental instability is that all of the twilight saga reads EXACTLY like a 12 year old girl's weird wish-fulfillment fantasy. a fantasy where she wants to get bossed around by a dickbag and then make sweet sweet love to him...
smeyer needs help
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 11:18 am
a horrible monster To me the biggest sign of her mental instability is that all of the twilight saga reads EXACTLY like a 12 year old girl's weird wish-fulfillment fantasy. a fantasy where she wants to get bossed around by a dickbag and then make sweet sweet love to him... smeyer needs help That she does. So, here is the topic. *waves at the area* More to come, as well. And directly from her, too. Hee hee. So much fun to break someone down, don't you think?
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:12 pm
Blah Blah Bland writing. As expected from Smeyer.
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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:16 pm
xD Asuna did you know, that you have made all the entries in the SMeyer facepalm section? And did you know that i love every single one? :}
You are my favorite post-er.
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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:11 pm
iwill-bite-choo xD Asuna did you know, that you have made all the entries in the SMeyer facepalm section? And did you know that i love every single one? :} You are my favorite post-er. *smiles* Thanks a bunch! Analyzing someone's mind is my specialty! And dealing with this... Yeah, i haven't had as much fun since I started writing fan fiction! Get ready for more... I have quote ammo bookmarked.
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 2:22 pm
Asuna6573 iwill-bite-choo xD Asuna did you know, that you have made all the entries in the SMeyer facepalm section? And did you know that i love every single one? :} You are my favorite post-er. *smiles* Thanks a bunch! Analyzing someone's mind is my specialty! And dealing with this... Yeah, i haven't had as much fun since I started writing fan fiction! Get ready for more... I have quote ammo bookmarked. I see that! :}
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:57 am
Asuna6573 iwill-bite-choo xD Asuna did you know, that you have made all the entries in the SMeyer facepalm section? And did you know that i love every single one? :} You are my favorite post-er. *smiles* Thanks a bunch! Analyzing someone's mind is my specialty! And dealing with this... Yeah, i haven't had as much fun since I started writing fan fiction! Get ready for more... I have quote ammo bookmarked. can't wait for that!! xd
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:27 am
I think that I will facepalm a lot more with your next posts, but keep it up!
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 8:35 pm
Yes yes, I know. I need to work on the Eclipse "flaws" section, but I had to put this up. http://cynthialeitichsmith.blogspot.com/2006/03/author-interview-stephenie-meyer-on.html That's where I got it from. Quote: What were the challenges (literary, research, psychological, logistical) in bringing it to life? The greatest challenge was finding time away from my already full life . I became somewhat of a hermit that summer, neglecting friends, family, and my normal hobbies. I'm still trying to find the right balance. I didn't do much in the way of research as I was creating my own unique world; in fact, I avoided all things vampire for fear of finding anything that contradicted my vision. Overall, it was one of the most enjoyable experiences of my life-- I suppose the psychological challenge was accepting that Edward and Bella weren't real people. (I still don't entirely believe that).Points bolded, as usual. Well now, let me start with the first part. She neglected everything besides writing. That isn't healthy. Yes, I know writing is an enjoyable experience. yes, I know that you can be absorbed into your book, like when you read. But to ignore and give up any and all things besides your story, including your own FAMILY, to write down a book based on a weird dream? FAIL! ASTRONOMICALLY EPIC FAIL! Can anyone guess where the comatose state from New Moon is based on here, besides an over-exaggerated attempt at depression? Sounds like what Meyer did while writing her books. As a fellow writer, for fanfiction and original, even I can't identify with that. I take about... 2 weeks to write a chapter while writer's block is gone. Then I edit it over and over, while dealing with everyday life. So that's about 3 weeks per chapter. Yeah, that wouldn't work with her book, since it took how many months? Of course, I have plot, character development, flaws, and such, but still. I have a balance, which is easier to find then she seems to think. Next: The whole "having trouble believing they aren't real". ......Just read that over for a bit. Let it sink in. Got that? She thinks they are REAL! Psychological challenge? That's a psychological ISSUE. That is known as delusion, inability to accept reality, pure insanity, take your pick. Or you could overuse the thesaurus like her, but that's beside the point. I don't understand how she can believe that. Seriously, she came up with the idea in a dream, supposedly, decided to start writing, and became a "hermit" as she put it for several months. If they are real, as she now admits she has trouble disbelieving, Bella needs as much help as Meyer. From a psychologist and the police, I might add. Off topic, but notice the lack of research because it is her own world. NO IT ISN'T, IT'S THE REAL ONE! If you are arrogant enough that you believe you made this world up... Why, you'll need more help then ever before! Away from that little tangent... She still needed to do research. Forks isn't even on the Top Ten Rainiest places, not even in the US. The real top ten? *Mobile, Alabama--67 inches average annual rainfall; 59 average annual rainy days *Pensacola, Florida--65 inches average annual rainfall; 56 average annual rainy days *New Orleans, Louisiana--64 inches average annual rainfall; 59 average annual rainy days *West Palm Beach, Florida--63 inches average annual rainfall; 58 average annual rainy days *Lafayette, Louisiana--62 inches average annual rainfall; 55 average annual rainy days *Baton Rouge, Louisiana--62 inches average annual rainfall; 56 average annual rainy days *Miami, Florida--62 inches average annual rainfall; 57 average annual rainy days *Port Arthur, Texas--61 inches average annual rainfall; 51 average annual rainy days *Tallahassee, Florida--61 inches average annual rainfall; 56 average annual rainy days *Lake Charles, Louisiana--58 inches average annual rainfall; 50 average annual rainy days ...Yeah. Forks the rainiest place they could find?  Had to use that... Oh, and I can't forget she didn't want to contradict her vision. That's like saying she doesn't take any criticism! Oh, wait... Verdict from this quote? Meyer needs help badly. She believes her characters are real, and neglects anything besides her books when writing. Most disorders have one uniting symptom: "Interferes with every day life." Sound familiar? *sighs* I'm running off of cake, chocolate icing, and coffee. Best I could come up with right now. Any thoughts?
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Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:40 pm
Asuna6573 Yes yes, I know. I need to work on the Eclipse "flaws" section, but I had to put this up. http://cynthialeitichsmith.blogspot.com/2006/03/author-interview-stephenie-meyer-on.html That's where I got it from. Quote: What were the challenges (literary, research, psychological, logistical) in bringing it to life? The greatest challenge was finding time away from my already full life . I became somewhat of a hermit that summer, neglecting friends, family, and my normal hobbies. I'm still trying to find the right balance. I didn't do much in the way of research as I was creating my own unique world; in fact, I avoided all things vampire for fear of finding anything that contradicted my vision. Overall, it was one of the most enjoyable experiences of my life-- I suppose the psychological challenge was accepting that Edward and Bella weren't real people. (I still don't entirely believe that).Points bolded, as usual. Well now, let me start with the first part. She neglected everything besides writing. That isn't healthy. Yes, I know writing is an enjoyable experience. yes, I know that you can be absorbed into your book, like when you read. But to ignore and give up any and all things besides your story, including your own FAMILY, to write down a book based on a weird dream? FAIL! ASTRONOMICALLY EPIC FAIL! Can anyone guess where the comatose state from New Moon is based on here, besides an over-exaggerated attempt at depression? Sounds like what Meyer did while writing her books. As a fellow writer, for fanfiction and original, even I can't identify with that. I take about... 2 weeks to write a chapter while writer's block is gone. Then I edit it over and over, while dealing with everyday life. So that's about 3 weeks per chapter. Yeah, that wouldn't work with her book, since it took how many months? Of course, I have plot, character development, flaws, and such, but still. I have a balance, which is easier to find then she seems to think. Next: The whole "having trouble believing they aren't real". ......Just read that over for a bit. Let it sink in. Got that? She thinks they are REAL! Psychological challenge? That's a psychological ISSUE. That is known as delusion, inability to accept reality, pure insanity, take your pick. Or you could overuse the thesaurus like her, but that's beside the point. I don't understand how she can believe that. Seriously, she came up with the idea in a dream, supposedly, decided to start writing, and became a "hermit" as she put it for several months. If they are real, as she now admits she has trouble disbelieving, Bella needs as much help as Meyer. From a psychologist and the police, I might add. Off topic, but notice the lack of research because it is her own world. NO IT ISN'T, IT'S THE REAL ONE! If you are arrogant enough that you believe you made this world up... Why, you'll need more help then ever before! Away from that little tangent... She still needed to do research. Forks isn't even on the Top Ten Rainiest places, not even in the US. The real top ten? *Mobile, Alabama--67 inches average annual rainfall; 59 average annual rainy days *Pensacola, Florida--65 inches average annual rainfall; 56 average annual rainy days *New Orleans, Louisiana--64 inches average annual rainfall; 59 average annual rainy days *West Palm Beach, Florida--63 inches average annual rainfall; 58 average annual rainy days *Lafayette, Louisiana--62 inches average annual rainfall; 55 average annual rainy days *Baton Rouge, Louisiana--62 inches average annual rainfall; 56 average annual rainy days *Miami, Florida--62 inches average annual rainfall; 57 average annual rainy days *Port Arthur, Texas--61 inches average annual rainfall; 51 average annual rainy days *Tallahassee, Florida--61 inches average annual rainfall; 56 average annual rainy days *Lake Charles, Louisiana--58 inches average annual rainfall; 50 average annual rainy days ...Yeah. Forks the rainiest place they could find? Had to use that... Oh, and I can't forget she didn't want to contradict her vision. That's like saying she doesn't take any criticism! Oh, wait... Verdict from this quote? Meyer needs help badly. She believes her characters are real, and neglects anything besides her books when writing. Most disorders have one uniting symptom: "Interferes with every day life." Sound familiar? *sighs* I'm running off of cake, chocolate icing, and coffee. Best I could come up with right now. Any thoughts? WARNING: A TEENSY BIT OF BAD LANGUAGE. SORRY!!!!! >.< I COULDN'T HELP IT. I think you need to talk to some other writers. I'm pretty hermit-like, but then again, I'm a teenager and I don't have a family to take care of, and it's far more natural for a teenager to pretend to be hormonal and world-hating in order to get some damn writing done. So, wow, I guess this is my convoluted way of saying I agree with you. Also, she FREAKING NEEDS TO READ ABOUT VAMPIRES. She's avoiding what she really thinks: if she reads, say, Dracula by Bram Stoker, she will see just how shitty her writing (if you could call it that) is in comparison. She obviously has never been to a writer's group or a read-and-critique conference, because she would be RIPPED APART. If she ever did go, though, I would reallllly want to be there to see it (and perhaps help? "LOOK! I GOT AN EAR! HAAAAAAA!") Okay, that was graphic. Sorry, and please excuse my French.
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Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:38 pm
To Dfl: (too lazy to type whole usernames...) I rather enjoyed that. Cursing isn't a HUGE deal, unless it's every other word or so. Other than that... That image of her at a writing conference was an enjoyable one. I call the right arm! Uh heh heh... Anyway, if she read other decent books like that, she might have a chance to *gasp* IMPROVE herself. But see, she thinks other vampires are "yuck and "creepy"." Not kidding here. Look for what she says about The Lost Boys and Interview. Entertainment Weekly Is it true you've never seen a vampire movie?I've seen little pieces of Interview with a Vampire when it was on TV, but I kind of always go YUCK! I don't watch R-rated movies, so that really cuts down on a lot of the horror. And I think I've seen a couple of pieces of The Lost Boys, which my husband liked, and he wanted me to watch it once, but I was like, It's creepy! ...*twitches* i don't think words can express my rage here... This is my first reaction when I heard about this: Silvaria She... She dissed Interview?! I mean, it isn't the best of the series, sure but... ARGH!!!! It isn't "yuck", or creepy, it's a book with believable characters. It has plot, it has emotions other then lust and angst, there are thoughts, there is RESEARCH. There is pain, there is struggle, conflict, and no happy ending. It makes you want a sequel, beg for one, and track it down to see what's next. You don't want it to end there, you don't want Louis to have to feel that way, I was devastated when it ended. The interviewer's feelings were close to my own. *is now on The Vampire Lestat* Twilight: not so much. ...Haven't read The Lost Boys, but now I want to. Just to spite her. *gets ready to head to the library on Tuesday* That rage has GROWN. I know, they made a lot of inaccuracies for the movie, but STILL! The basic thing is there, and it is NOT YUCK!!! *takes deep breaths* Trying... to contain...inner arsonist... That interview is pure GOLD for quotes... but it makes me feel like stabbing my pillow when I see that...
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