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 Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 12:49 pm
So I was debating in this topic that a guy had wrote about him beating his girlfriend's seven year old child in public for lying. A bystander called the police and the police officer said they were alright, and left. Now, when questioned for why he hit the child the answer was: "Not because he lied, but because he disrespected my authority. It was only an open handed smack, and I had my girlfriend's permission, and I saw nothing wrong with it. This will teach him that if he continues to do wrong, he'll end up in jail, which is far worse."
Now with that said, is corporal punishment okay?
What is it for?
When is the child able to understand what he did wrong by a smack?
Is it truly effective?
Should it be used liberally in public?
Should others get involved by calling the police?
What about hitting adults who "disrespect your authority"?
Should police be able to hit adults for the same reason?
If you're with someone, should you be allowed to hit their kid?
Debate away~
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:01 pm
For discipline then it's okay to hit your kids, but i think the guy that hit his girlfriend's kid was out of line. He wasn't his kid and discipline should be left to the parents.
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:23 pm
Sure- kids are sturdier than they are given credit for.
More to the point I've never come across a good argument for not beating children (conditioning theory being golden), just plenty of reasons to not allow stupid people to breed.
Just do it right, it's the same as feeding and sexualising them.
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 10:47 pm
I see a difference between 'beating' kids and physical discipline. Beating a child, in my mind, implies striking them out of anger, possibly repeatedly, for a minor offense.
Physical discipline, as in, giving your child a firm swat on the backside and explaining to them why... yeah, why not? My mom smacked me when I did something wrong, and I deserved it. She didn't 'beat' me, by any stretch, but I knew my limits. I see no reason that if a kid is a brat he shouldn't get a smack.
As for that man hitting his girlfriend's child, I don't think that's okay. If I had kids, and a man who wasn't their father (or even if he was, depending on the discipline) struck one of them, I'd punch him in the mouth.
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 1:42 pm
Well, I was always spanked when I did something wrong.
Of course, I learned my lesson.
Then they stopped hitting me as any sort of punishment. Lo and behold, I still didn't try to go out of line.
However, there is a difference between a spankerin' and slapping a kid across the face in public.
Like it was said, discipline for the kid in question should have been left up to the mother.
But "beating them", as in hitting them out of anger, says something about overall parenting.
It's my opinion that if a child is not shown discipline and some type of punishment for wrongful acts, they turn into brats. Case in point: My eight-year-old cousin.
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 2:54 pm
Well personally, it's an absolute last resort. I was never spanked, never hit, and I think I turned out all right. It's just parents who can't seem to communicate and clearly define rules for their children that peeve me. I'm fine with CP as long as I don't see it in public, and if the kid was given plenty of chances to redeem himself.
Ask -> Tell -> Time out -> Ground -> Hit
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:05 pm
We're dancing around the most curious fact; random punishment turns dogs neurotic but people often criminal. Shmearwhiz I'm fine with CP as long as I don't see it in public, and if the kid was given plenty of chances to redeem himself. Out of context that sort of statement could get you arrested.
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:32 pm
CH1YO We're dancing around the most curious fact; random punishment turns dogs neurotic but people often criminal.
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:01 am
Alanora Calaran CH1YO We're dancing around the most curious fact; random punishment turns dogs neurotic but people often criminal. If the frequency and/or magnitude of the discipline is inconsistent it assumes a random character- expression of random power breeds dissatisfaction in the world and failure.
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:22 pm
CH1YO Alanora Calaran CH1YO We're dancing around the most curious fact; random punishment turns dogs neurotic but people often criminal. If the frequency and/or magnitude of the discipline is inconsistent it assumes a random character- expression of random power breeds dissatisfaction in the world and failure. This is true, and for reasons such as "I demand respect, I want him to know he holds no power over me, his dad." Also, I see what you mean by what I said but it's not meant to be taken out of context.
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 5:21 pm
Shmearwhiz CH1YO Alanora Calaran CH1YO We're dancing around the most curious fact; random punishment turns dogs neurotic but people often criminal. If the frequency and/or magnitude of the discipline is inconsistent it assumes a random character- expression of random power breeds dissatisfaction in the world and failure. This is true, and for reasons such as "I demand respect, I want him to know he holds no power over me, his dad." Also, I see what you mean by what I said but it's not meant to be taken out of context. That last one actually breeds resentment- which may or may not lead to failure depending on the style of life. Just stay out of politics wink
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:32 pm
CH1YO Shmearwhiz CH1YO Alanora Calaran CH1YO We're dancing around the most curious fact; random punishment turns dogs neurotic but people often criminal. If the frequency and/or magnitude of the discipline is inconsistent it assumes a random character- expression of random power breeds dissatisfaction in the world and failure. This is true, and for reasons such as "I demand respect, I want him to know he holds no power over me, his dad." Also, I see what you mean by what I said but it's not meant to be taken out of context. That last one actually breeds resentment- which may or may not lead to failure depending on the style of life. Just stay out of politics wink Well hey, hey let's not make this about me. And if it offends anyone then so be it.
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 9:23 am
Different people respond differently to different stimuli. Slapping someone on the butt may make tehm think twice about doing something again. It's effectiveness I believe increases as the number of witnesses increases. If a kid is getting spanked in public, odds are they will be even more embarrassed and thus maybe not trash the store next time.
It's the whole learning thing and behavior modification.
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:17 am
The diction you use to change what 'pachi actually said he did already gave your position on the argument away. He said he Spanked or hit the boy (either) by using the word beating you imply blunt force was used, not light smacks. Honestly, I believe that a child responds absurdly well from light physical punishment from anywhere between 5-15. I recall that when I brought home a bad report card in middle school, my mother did nothing, but she looked at me once and slapped me across the face... It worked. Does physical punishment work? Yes, it has for centuries. Does it work best on all children? No, some respond better by emotional or restriction-based punishments better. 'Pachi had every right to punish that child in the way he did. Silverpyro19 For discipline then it's okay to hit your kids, but i think the guy that hit his girlfriend's kid was out of line. He wasn't his kid and discipline should be left to the parents.
It's his girlfriend's kid, he had permission, he's almost like a father in that position. He said he'd take the child's computer away, and gave him quite a few chances to not lie, and when he didn't tell the truth, he hit him once, and then took his computer away.
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 9:23 am
Cosmic Kirby The diction you use to change what 'pachi actually said he did already gave your position on the argument away. He said he Spanked or hit the boy (either) by using the word beating you imply blunt force was used, not light smacks. Honestly, I believe that a child responds absurdly well from light physical punishment from anywhere between 5-15. I recall that when I brought home a bad report card in middle school, my mother did nothing, but she looked at me once and slapped me across the face... It worked. Does physical punishment work? Yes, it has for centuries. Does it work best on all children? No, some respond better by emotional or restriction-based punishments better. 'Pachi had every right to punish that child in the way he did. Silverpyro19 For discipline then it's okay to hit your kids, but i think the guy that hit his girlfriend's kid was out of line. He wasn't his kid and discipline should be left to the parents.
It's his girlfriend's kid, he had permission, he's almost like a father in that position. He said he'd take the child's computer away, and gave him quite a few chances to not lie, and when he didn't tell the truth, he hit him once, and then took his computer away. I had a problem with the fact that he said "I'm going to take your computer away" and then slapped him without warning. It's inconsistent and confusing. EDIT: Did he also take the computer away afterwards? Or before that? I read that he slapped him first. I also didn't like his excuse "He disrespected my authority". Just come out and say "I hit him for lying. I told him not to, and he did." And to say he didn't hit him for lying is a bit much.
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