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 Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 3:07 pm
This question has often been asked by many people, even I've asked it myself before I became a member of the church. So let's put what the L.D.S. believes to the test compared to what the Bible teaches...I think you will find that they are in agreement with one another. Latter-day Saints generally list five principles and ordinances as essential to salvation. 1. Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ as Saviour and Redeemer. (Mark 16:15-18; John 3:16-18; 8:24; Acts 16:31; Romans 1:16-17; 10:8; Hebrews 3:17-19; 10:38-39; 1 Peter 1:9; 1 John 5:5) 2. Repentance of personal sin. (Isaiah 55:6-7; Ezekiel 33:14-15; Matthew 21:28-32; Luke 13:3; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 11:18; Hebrews 6:1-2; 1 John 1:8-9) 3.Baptism by immersion by those having authority. (Matthew 28:19; Mark 16:15-16; Luke 7:28-30; John 3:5; Acts 2:37-38; 10:47-48; Galatians 3:27; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 3:21) 4. Receipt of the Holy Ghost. (Matthew 3:11; Luke 3:16; John 3:5; Acts 2:37-38; 11:16; 1 Corinthians 2:11-14; 12:3; 2 Thessalonians 2:13) 5. Enduring to the end through obedience to gospel teachings. (Ecclessiastes 12:13; Matthew 10:22; 24:13; Mark 13:13; Hebrews 6:15; James 1:12, 22, 27; 3 John 11; Revelations 2:26; 3:21; 21:7) These principles are also taught in the Book of Mormon see 3 Nephi 27:16,19-20. The gospel taught by the L.D.S. church is in complete harmony with the Bible, especially in the area as critical as salvation. Latter-day Saints do not ignore Bible passages which refer to repentance, baptism, or the gift of the Holy Ghost, nor do they think that through their works they can some how be saved without Jesus Christ.
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Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 7:53 pm
I raised my hand, so I'm going first. Is there a talking stick around here somewhere? Just kidding.
Here's just how awesome God is. It doesn't matter what denomination one is from, but if we label ourselves as Christians, there is one and only one Chief Cornerstone of every church. As you already know, it's Jesus. With all the fighting and debates and dissent, the one and only thing I have observed to be a unifying force is Jesus.
The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only Gospel that matters. We all know how to seal our salvation, and that's what we teach. We don't go out and make people earn their salvation. That would throw the universal order out of whack by maknig the verse from Romans null and void. ("'For the wages of sin is death...") We deserve everything we work hard to get, but having a free gift if salvation from God with just the minor stipulation of promising to love Him, is truly humbling when you sit down and take a look at the pathetic mess that was your life before coming to know our Savior.
Mormon, Catholic, Seventh Day Adventist, Pentecostal, whatever. We all share the same Gospel and it doesn't matter what we believe from the OT or other supporting works to the Bible, but as long as we have Jesus.
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Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 9:06 pm
Agreed, which what I was emphasizing...or trying to. I have often been told that in order to be a Christian or to be saved you must accept the key points of what "orthodox Christianity" calls the gospel, some of those points would be
1. accepting the deity of Jesus Christ
2. accepting His resurrection
3.accepting the trinity
4.the virgin birth of Christ
5.salvation by grace alone because the atonement pays for all sins.
1&2 are accurate and in standing with the bible, because if you accept Christ as your Lord and Saviour and believe that He died for your sins and rose again, that goes with what the Bible teaches.
3. Well...I don't find the trinity biblical and this debate is reserved for the thread about the trinity.
4.yes the virgin birth is true, it did happen, but that is not a requirement for salvation
5. this would be true, if it was truly understood the conditional nature of the atonement, that it would cover all your sins, if you chose to accept Christ as the Lord and Saviour.
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Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:48 am
What do mean it would be true? The Bible says that you are not saved by good works alone. That you're saved by grace so that no one can boast about what they did to earn their salvation...I'm not understanding how it's not.....
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Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:58 am
Imitation Stradivarius What do mean it would be true? The Bible says that you are not saved by good works alone. That you're saved by grace so that no one can boast about what they did to earn their salvation...I'm not understanding how it's not..... Because the bible teaches about faith without works is dead. So you must have works aswell. You must be baptised and receive the Holy Ghost in order to enter into the kingdom of Heaven. Christ's atonement covers those who choose to accept Him as Lord and Saviour.
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Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:00 pm
Imitation Stradivarius What do mean it would be true? The Bible says that you are not saved by good works alone. That you're saved by grace so that no one can boast about what they did to earn their salvation...I'm not understanding how it's not..... If you are doing good works in the sight of Christ, in harmony with Christ, then you do not boast because you are leading a Christlike life.
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Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:34 pm
Well yeah I know that it says that, but that's pertaining to just praying and not doing anything. God calls us to go into all nations and telling people about His son. Yeah, the part about baptizing them is in that same scripture. As i was taught, baptism is a thing that we do after we are saved to have an outward showing of the change that has taken place in our hearts.
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:37 am
Imitation Stradivarius Well yeah I know that it says that, but that's pertaining to just praying and not doing anything. God calls us to go into all nations and telling people about His son. Yeah, the part about baptizing them is in that same scripture. As i was taught, baptism is a thing that we do after we are saved to have an outward showing of the change that has taken place in our hearts. Yes, you must become converted to Christ before you become baptized. Otherwise, baptism would be pointless.
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:27 pm
Someoneiknow Imitation Stradivarius Well yeah I know that it says that, but that's pertaining to just praying and not doing anything. God calls us to go into all nations and telling people about His son. Yeah, the part about baptizing them is in that same scripture. As i was taught, baptism is a thing that we do after we are saved to have an outward showing of the change that has taken place in our hearts. Yes, you must become converted to Christ before you become baptized. Otherwise, baptism would be pointless. Indeed. But the NT also makes it clear that we are saved purely through faith. Not by any work. And Baptism would be deemed a work, a work of faith yes, but a work non-the-less. >.<; It is a command of the Lord, so obviously we should do it, but it won't exclude one from Heaven if you are a Christian and are never baptized.
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:34 pm
mazuac Someoneiknow Imitation Stradivarius Well yeah I know that it says that, but that's pertaining to just praying and not doing anything. God calls us to go into all nations and telling people about His son. Yeah, the part about baptizing them is in that same scripture. As i was taught, baptism is a thing that we do after we are saved to have an outward showing of the change that has taken place in our hearts. Yes, you must become converted to Christ before you become baptized. Otherwise, baptism would be pointless. Indeed. But the NT also makes it clear that we are saved purely through faith. Not by any work. And Baptism would be deemed a work, a work of faith yes, but a work non-the-less. >.<; It is a command of the Lord, so obviously we should do it, but it won't exclude one from Heaven if you are a Christian and are never baptized. Then it's disobedience to the commandment and that bears a punishment. You MUST be baptized to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, that's pretty blunt to me.
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:53 am
I know they believe in another scripture and if they believe in another scripture, then yes. They do believe in another gospel.
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:47 am
Phanari I know they believe in another scripture and if they believe in another scripture, then yes. They do believe in another gospel. No, we don't. The Book of Mormon teaches the same principles.
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Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 4:44 pm
Resurrecting this topic from the dead because I want to hear more opinions about it, if any one cares to reply. xd
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:41 pm
Shadows-shine Phanari I know they believe in another scripture and if they believe in another scripture, then yes. They do believe in another gospel. No, we don't. The Book of Mormon teaches the same principles. Yeah. The book of Mormon does follow the Bible pretty closely. But that's not the only book Mormons use. They also use two others, Pearl of Great Christ, and Doctrine of Sovereigns. Those two go WAY bizarre out there.
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:14 pm
Phanari Shadows-shine Phanari I know they believe in another scripture and if they believe in another scripture, then yes. They do believe in another gospel. No, we don't. The Book of Mormon teaches the same principles. Yeah. The book of Mormon does follow the Bible pretty closely. But that's not the only book Mormons use. They also use two others, Pearl of Great Christ, and Doctrine of Sovereigns. Those two go WAY bizarre out there. Those books do not exist within the LDS Church. You must be thinking of another church.
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