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Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:40 am
I saw this on yahoo this morning and thought it was interesting. Here is a few parts from the article. Read the full one HereOfficials see rise in militia groups across U.S. Associated Press Writer Eileen Sullivan, Associated Press Writer – Wed Aug 12, 3:50 am ET
WASHINGTON – Militia groups with gripes against the government are regrouping across the country and could grow rapidly, according to an organization that tracks such trends.
The stress of a poor economy and a liberal administration led by a black president are among the causes for the recent rise, the report from the Southern Poverty Law Center says. Conspiracy theories about a secret Mexican plan to reclaim the Southwest are also growing amid the public debate about illegal immigration.
Bart McEntire, a special agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, told SPLC researchers that this is the most growth he's seen in more than a decade.
"All it's lacking is a spark," McEntire said in the report.
It's reminiscent of what was seen in the 1990s — right-wing militias, people ideologically against paying taxes and so-called "sovereign citizens" are popping up in large numbers, according to the report to be released Wednesday. The SPLC is a nonprofit civil rights group that, among other activities, investigates hate groups.
While anti-government sentiment has been on the rise over the last two years, there aren't as many threats and violent acts at this point as there were in the 1990s, according to the report. That movement bore the likes of Timothy McVeigh, who in 1995 blew up a federal building in Oklahoma City and killed 168 people.
But McEntire fears it's only a matter of time.
These militias are concentrated in the Midwest, Pacific Northwest and the Deep South, according to Mark Potok, an SPLC staff director who co-wrote the report. Recruiting videos and other outreach on the Internet are on the rise, he said, and researchers from his center found at least 50 new groups in the last few months.
The militia movement of the 1990s gained traction with growing concerns about gun control, environmental laws and anything perceived as liberal government meddling.
The spark for that movement came in 1992 with an FBI standoff with white separatist Randall Weaver at Ruby Ridge, Idaho. Weaver's wife and son were killed by an FBI sniper. And in 1993, a 52-day standoff between federal agents and the Branch Davidian cult in Waco, Texas, resulted in nearly 80 deaths. These events rallied more people who became convinced that the government would murder its own citizens to promote its liberal agenda.
Now officials are seeing a new generation of activists, according to the report. The law center spotlights Edward Koernke, a Michigan man who hosts an Internet radio show about militias. His father, Mark, was a major figure in the 1990s militia movement and served six years in prison for charges including assaulting police.
Last year, officials warned about an increase in activity from militias in a five-year threat projection by the Homeland Security Department.
"White supremacists and militias are more violent and thus more likely to conduct mass-casualty attacks on the scale of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing," the threat projection said.
A series of domestic terrorism incidents over the past year have not been directly tied to organized militias, but the rhetoric behind some of the crimes are similar with that of the militia movement. For instance, the man charged with the April killings of three Pittsburgh police officers posted some of his views online. Richard Andrew Poplawski wrote that U.S. troops could be used against American citizens, and he thinks a gun ban could be coming.
The FBI's assistant director for counterterrorism, Michael Heimbach, said that law enforcement officials need to identify people who go beyond hateful rhetoric and decide to commit violent acts and crimes. Heimbach said one of the bigger challenges is identifying the lone-wolf offenders.
One alleged example of a lone-wolf offender is the 88-year-old man charged in the June shooting death of a guard at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington. I don't know about you, but I don't care what color our president is. He could be purple for all I care. I hate how the media thinks that we are racists. I don't like Obama for his views and how he is leading our country.
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Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:28 pm
wow its insane people that dont want the country to get any more worse then it is becoming are the ones being pointed to as the ones doing it. guess if you have anything bad to say about the empire are the ones suffering for it.
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Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:02 pm
I'm willing to bet that most of those "militia groups" that AP Obama is referring to are just activist groups that are peacefully protesting all of this increased government control.
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:48 am
I would love to join one of those militia groups right now.....even if it would be considered treason.....I rather be hanged fighting for our constitutional rights than fighting to protect someone who doesn't even care about our rights
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 5:19 am
Ditto. It blows my mind how stupid people are. You know I heard an online story (don't remember it exactly except the point of it) and there were actual citizen militia rising up. But they aren't violent or plotting to kill Obama. They are practicing and readying themselves incase something horrible happens.
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:40 am
yep, that's what they are going to do, they will prepare themselves....I'm in the military and I swore to protect the Constitution and take orders from my Commander in Chief. Now, if my Commander in Chief isn't following the Constitution, well then, I will continue to defend it, even if it means committing treason.
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:32 pm
Well, if Obama completely violates the Constitution or throws it out completely, then he's really no longer president since on inauguration day he swore to uphold the Constitution. If Barack Obama violates the Constitution, then he's breached his oath, and really is no longer president. That means he ceases to be Commander in Chief, and therefore is NOT treason to attack his forces (but that probably won't hold up in his """""""""""""""""""""""""""court""""""""""""""""""""""""""" of """""""""""""""""""""""""""law""""""""""""""""""""""""""" (I use those terms so loosely that they really don't have much meaning in that context))
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:30 am
well, unfortunately, it doesn't matter if he is following the rules nowadays....if we lose, I'm going to be hanged, there is no way around it
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:26 pm
Mel es loco well, unfortunately, it doesn't matter if he is following the rules nowadays....if we lose, I'm going to be hanged, there is no way around it Well I guess the good news(if you call it that) that you won't be alone when your hanged. There will be a few along with you who stood for what they believe in.
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 3:33 pm
Lady Elmira Mel es loco well, unfortunately, it doesn't matter if he is following the rules nowadays....if we lose, I'm going to be hanged, there is no way around it Well I guess the good news(if you call it that) that you won't be alone when your hanged. There will be a few along with you who stood for what they believe in. that's true, but, I'd rather win and not be hanged and lose and watch others whom I love being hanged along with me.
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:47 pm
Then don't get captured! Force Obama's troops to kill you! Run out of ammo? That's what a bayonet is for! Too injured to move? I bet you still have one grenade or bomb you can light, don't you?
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Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:25 am
notmuch_23 Then don't get captured! Force Obama's troops to kill you! Run out of ammo? That's what a bayonet is for! Too injured to move? I bet you still have one grenade or bomb you can light, don't you? lol....and i don't want to be a fugitive either!
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Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:15 pm
Ya know, if I actually had some machine tools, a furnace capable of melting steel, a 90% platinum and 10% rhodium catalyst, a way to get a lot of ammonia without raising suspicion, a supply of mercury, and knew how to make smokeless powder, I would have made at least three guns and plenty of ammo by now... but I don't, much to the relieve of Obaminations.
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Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:41 pm
notmuch_23 Ya know, if I actually had some machine tools, a furnace capable of melting steel, a 90% platinum and 10% rhodium catalyst, a way to get a lot of ammonia without raising suspicion, a supply of mercury, and knew how to make smokeless powder, I would have made at least three guns and plenty of ammo by now... but I don't, much to the relieve of Obaminations. Only three?......please tell me that you are tired and that's why you are spelling things wrong. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 8:54 pm
Mel es loco notmuch_23 Ya know, if I actually had some machine tools, a furnace capable of melting steel, a 90% platinum and 10% rhodium catalyst, a way to get a lot of ammonia without raising suspicion, a supply of mercury, and knew how to make smokeless powder, I would have made at least three guns and plenty of ammo by now... but I don't, much to the relieve of Obaminations. Only three?......please tell me that you are tired and that's why you are spelling things wrong. sweatdrop In that time I've already had four vicious attack cats trained for anything. They can penetrate the enemy lines with their cuteness but never be corrupted since I have hand raised them all. Plus I have a neighbors that own horses. If we needed a natural get away into the woods behind my house I'm pretty sure nobody would be able to catch us.
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