|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
 Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:03 pm
I saw a couple of other threads like this and thought HEY. Maybe that'd be a good way of not having similar conversations in a bunch of different threads, each of which had a different topic in the original post and is therefore a little difficult to keep track of, or something.
Hi, commies. You're keeping me from playing Fallout 3. D; But this is turning out more interesting than I thought it'd be. Let's talk about stuff.
I am your apocalypse
I am your belief unwrought
Monolithic juggernaut
I'm the illegitimate son of god
|
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:12 pm
Comrade Kotka I do not. It is a social construction. I think it is based on arbitrary physical traits that mean very little and has been used in the past to justify many pseudo-scientific findings that have since been proved false. 'Race' was found by the social sciences to be very limited in its explaining power. What constitutes a 'race', exactly? Are all white-skinned people a race? How about someone who's a little darker than other white-skinned people... how dark do you have to be before you're not white anymore? Maybe you want to sub-divide 'races', but how are they divided? From the 'nation' of their ancestors, perhaps... although 'nation' is something that has only been around since ~1700s. That'd be more to do with shared history, sulture and common language anyway; which would fall under 'ethnicity' and not 'race'. Okay so back to the physical features (namely skin colour...): within 'white' people are there separate races? How do you distinguish between them? I wouldn't know where to begin when it came to my 'race' (besides the helpful 'Caucasian'). Genetics don't determine race very well either, to use the commonly cited fact: 'there is more variability between 'races' than 'within'. I mean, sure skin colour is to do with genetics, but then you're admitting that race is based on cosmetic factors. I have more but I see this thread is progressing without me. >_< I'll type it up soon. P.S. Ethnicity, however, is a valid category.
Personally I tend to think of ethnicity as essentially race on a more specific level. Where do you make the distinction? Sometimes it seems like people only have a negative emotional reaction to the term or idea of "race" without much reason for it.
xd You're caucasian if your ancestors are from the Caucasus mountains. I'm Nordic. I don't know what you are.
Though I do think it's rather hilarious that people cite potential incest as an example when I say I'm against race mixing, but in another sentence will mention greater genetic variation within races. Not talking about you specifically, just people in general.
I am your apocalypse
I am your belief unwrought
Monolithic juggernaut
I'm the illegitimate son of god
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:15 pm
So, Nazi. You have an an "ask" thread. Then answer this question:
Why do you feel that race is a reason to discriminate against people? How does someone's race affect their intellectual worth?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:16 pm
Aren't modern ethnicities based entirely on which tribe won two thousand years ago? Why should anyone care if the Picts were defeated by the Anglians, or if the Rus came to dominate the Scythians?
I apologize if my interpretation of ethnicity is too historically based.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:20 pm
Valgaror the Vicious Comrade Kotka I do not. It is a social construction. I think it is based on arbitrary physical traits that mean very little and has been used in the past to justify many pseudo-scientific findings that have since been proved false. 'Race' was found by the social sciences to be very limited in its explaining power. What constitutes a 'race', exactly? Are all white-skinned people a race? How about someone who's a little darker than other white-skinned people... how dark do you have to be before you're not white anymore? Maybe you want to sub-divide 'races', but how are they divided? From the 'nation' of their ancestors, perhaps... although 'nation' is something that has only been around since ~1700s. That'd be more to do with shared history, sulture and common language anyway; which would fall under 'ethnicity' and not 'race'. Okay so back to the physical features (namely skin colour...): within 'white' people are there separate races? How do you distinguish between them? I wouldn't know where to begin when it came to my 'race' (besides the helpful 'Caucasian'). Genetics don't determine race very well either, to use the commonly cited fact: 'there is more variability between 'races' than 'within'. I mean, sure skin colour is to do with genetics, but then you're admitting that race is based on cosmetic factors. I have more but I see this thread is progressing without me. >_< I'll type it up soon. P.S. Ethnicity, however, is a valid category.
Personally I tend to think of ethnicity as essentially race on a more specific level. Where do you make the distinction? Sometimes it seems like people only have a negative emotional reaction to the term or idea of "race" without much reason for it.
xd You're caucasian if your ancestors are from the Caucasus mountains. I'm Nordic. I don't know what you are.
Though I do think it's rather hilarious that people cite potential incest as an example when I say I'm against race mixing, but in another sentence will mention greater genetic variation within races. Not talking about you specifically, just people in general.
I am your apocalypse
I am your belief unwrought
Monolithic juggernaut
I'm the illegitimate son of god
Okay, the minute you say that you're against race mixing, you make me really want to hurt you, and I'm not a violent person in the least... *growls*
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:22 pm
Herobane So, Nazi. You have an an "ask" thread. Then answer this question: Why do you feel that race is a reason to discriminate against people? How does someone's race affect their intellectual worth? xd That's assuming I do, isn't it? There are certain types of behavior that I dislike, which are more often than not associated with certain races. I would probably be more likely to assume that a person within that race would be more likely to have these traits. If they don't, good for them, I have no problem with them.
Really the same as just about anyone, though, I'm not going to like or respect anyone until I get to know them enough to know that they deserve that.
As for intellectual worth, there are differences in average IQ. Don't know how I can elaborate on it more than that.
I am your apocalypse
I am your belief unwrought
Monolithic juggernaut
I'm the illegitimate son of god
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:24 pm
Valgaror the Vicious Herobane So, Nazi. You have an an "ask" thread. Then answer this question: Why do you feel that race is a reason to discriminate against people? How does someone's race affect their intellectual worth? xd That's assuming I do, isn't it? There are certain types of behavior that I dislike, which are more often than not associated with certain races. I would probably be more likely to assume that a person within that race would be more likely to have these traits. If they don't, good for them, I have no problem with them.
Really the same as just about anyone, though, I'm not going to like or respect anyone until I get to know them enough to know that they deserve that.
As for intellectual worth, there are differences in average IQ. Don't know how I can elaborate on it more than that.
I am your apocalypse
I am your belief unwrought
Monolithic juggernaut
I'm the illegitimate son of god IQ is fail. It means nothing. One of the dumbest people I know scored 120. THis guy is seriously th dumbest person ever. He makes a jar of mayonnaise look bright, I swear.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:25 pm
King To Be Hailed Aren't modern ethnicities based entirely on which tribe won two thousand years ago? Why should anyone care if the Picts were defeated by the Anglians, or if the Rus came to dominate the Scythians? I apologize if my interpretation of ethnicity is too historically based.
I care about my ethnicity because I feel a connection to it, I'd assume other people who care would feel the same way.
I am your apocalypse
I am your belief unwrought
Monolithic juggernaut
I'm the illegitimate son of god
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:25 pm
Valgaror the Vicious Herobane So, Nazi. You have an an "ask" thread. Then answer this question: Why do you feel that race is a reason to discriminate against people? How does someone's race affect their intellectual worth? xd That's assuming I do, isn't it? There are certain types of behavior that I dislike, which are more often than not associated with certain races. I would probably be more likely to assume that a person within that race would be more likely to have these traits. If they don't, good for them, I have no problem with them.
Really the same as just about anyone, though, I'm not going to like or respect anyone until I get to know them enough to know that they deserve that.
As for intellectual worth, there are differences in average IQ. Don't know how I can elaborate on it more than that.
I am your apocalypse
I am your belief unwrought
Monolithic juggernaut
I'm the illegitimate son of god IQ is a number, and nothing more. It doesn't measure whether a person can think for himself, or whether a person chooses to use their intellect.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:26 pm
Valgaror the Vicious
Personally I tend to think of ethnicity as essentially race on a more specific level. Where do you make the distinction? Sometimes it seems like people only have a negative emotional reaction to the term or idea of "race" without much reason for it.
xd You're caucasian if your ancestors are from the Caucasus mountains. I'm Nordic. I don't know what you are.
Though I do think it's rather hilarious that people cite potential incest as an example when I say I'm against race mixing, but in another sentence will mention greater genetic variation within races. Not talking about you specifically, just people in general.
Right, well, in that case I'm 'miscellaneous white' or 'unknown white'. What would you do with me... would I cause problems for your idea of nations? Okay, ethnicity is to do with culture; something that is non-biologically passed on. Language, tradition, culture... that is ethnicity. The reason it is real is that it does not claim to be anything other than a social construction, unlike race. People have a negative reaction to 'race' because it hasn't been accepted as a valid category in the academy for a while now, except to explain the social ramifications of the concept. That is, people ARE discriminated against on the basis of 'race', but 'race' itself is arbitrary in real terms. (btw, I don't cite incest as an example. That's just a very undeveloped argument.) So yes, I hope this helps you answer my points.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:26 pm
Lady Merewyn Valgaror the Vicious Comrade Kotka I do not. It is a social construction. I think it is based on arbitrary physical traits that mean very little and has been used in the past to justify many pseudo-scientific findings that have since been proved false. 'Race' was found by the social sciences to be very limited in its explaining power. What constitutes a 'race', exactly? Are all white-skinned people a race? How about someone who's a little darker than other white-skinned people... how dark do you have to be before you're not white anymore? Maybe you want to sub-divide 'races', but how are they divided? From the 'nation' of their ancestors, perhaps... although 'nation' is something that has only been around since ~1700s. That'd be more to do with shared history, sulture and common language anyway; which would fall under 'ethnicity' and not 'race'. Okay so back to the physical features (namely skin colour...): within 'white' people are there separate races? How do you distinguish between them? I wouldn't know where to begin when it came to my 'race' (besides the helpful 'Caucasian'). Genetics don't determine race very well either, to use the commonly cited fact: 'there is more variability between 'races' than 'within'. I mean, sure skin colour is to do with genetics, but then you're admitting that race is based on cosmetic factors. I have more but I see this thread is progressing without me. >_< I'll type it up soon. P.S. Ethnicity, however, is a valid category.
Personally I tend to think of ethnicity as essentially race on a more specific level. Where do you make the distinction? Sometimes it seems like people only have a negative emotional reaction to the term or idea of "race" without much reason for it.
xd You're caucasian if your ancestors are from the Caucasus mountains. I'm Nordic. I don't know what you are.
Though I do think it's rather hilarious that people cite potential incest as an example when I say I'm against race mixing, but in another sentence will mention greater genetic variation within races. Not talking about you specifically, just people in general.
I am your apocalypse
I am your belief unwrought
Monolithic juggernaut
I'm the illegitimate son of god
Okay, the minute you say that you're against race mixing, you make me really want to hurt you, and I'm not a violent person in the least... *growls*
Hate to be blunt, but.. what'd you expect?
I am your apocalypse
I am your belief unwrought
Monolithic juggernaut
I'm the illegitimate son of god
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:26 pm
Sprechst du Deutsch, Nazi?
Du kannst sein eine Nazi nicht wann du sprechts nichts die Sprache von die Vaterland. razz
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:27 pm
And, returning to race, it is preposterous to judge a person based on stereotypical characteristics before looking at individual merit. You do a great disservice to the people whom you would respect by assuming that they are worthless until they prove otherwise based on your close-minded criteria... and how can someone prove himself if you have already dismissed him?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:28 pm
How do you feel about Strasserism?
How do you feel about Rexism?
What about Brazillian integralism?
Have you ever thought about wearing a silver shirt?
What what would you call your economic posistion? Third posistion? Corporatism?
How do you feel about holocaust denial?
Do the Tunnel Snakes rule?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:29 pm
Lady Merewyn Valgaror the Vicious Herobane So, Nazi. You have an an "ask" thread. Then answer this question: Why do you feel that race is a reason to discriminate against people? How does someone's race affect their intellectual worth? xd That's assuming I do, isn't it? There are certain types of behavior that I dislike, which are more often than not associated with certain races. I would probably be more likely to assume that a person within that race would be more likely to have these traits. If they don't, good for them, I have no problem with them.
Really the same as just about anyone, though, I'm not going to like or respect anyone until I get to know them enough to know that they deserve that.
As for intellectual worth, there are differences in average IQ. Don't know how I can elaborate on it more than that.
I am your apocalypse
I am your belief unwrought
Monolithic juggernaut
I'm the illegitimate son of god IQ is a number, and nothing more. It doesn't measure whether a person can think for himself, or whether a person chooses to use their intellect.
Perhaps not, but it's the best measure we seem to have of something inherently difficult to measure, and seems to be a good indication of how successful a person is in life. I don't have a problem with it.
I am your apocalypse
I am your belief unwrought
Monolithic juggernaut
I'm the illegitimate son of god
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
