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 Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:59 pm
Ok, well I think we have done this thing half-arsed since the beginning, and have decided to try and make something useful.
Rather than a general set of aims, I provide here a list of 10 points. This list will cover the whole range of ideologies to be expected in the guild, but not inclusively. The idea is that everyone who wants to join henceforth will be required to agree with at least 7 points on the following list
1. The only means for supplying the mass of humanity with the basic necessities of modern life is through the nationalisation of the means of production, communication and transport.
2. Social equality is a lie until descrimination based on sex, gender, race and sexual preference is done away with.
3. For there to be real social equality, women and minorities must be provided equal pay in fact, not only law. as such, women and minorities must be provided with jobs that provided decent pay.
4. The oppression of gays and other sexual monirities is tied intimately with the woman question, and stems fromhow class society solves it.
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6. The family is an institution of class society and the need to provide an heir for property holders. Until class society is done away with, the family will remain, and the oppression of women will always have an objective, material basis.
7. Religion is, in relation to the state, a purely private affair. The state shall neither recognise nor give support to any religion. All religions are to be treated as a mere collection of individuals
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9. This can only be accomplished in an equuitable manner through an internationally planned economy which can use the industrial might of the 'First World' to develop the 'Third World' on a democratic basis.
10. The only way to achieve this is through a revolution carried out by the urban industrial working class.
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Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:03 pm
I'd say something about belief in revolution being essential to the liberation of the working class.
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Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:44 pm
The revolution cannot be truly successful until everyone is employed, both those actively looking for work and those who aren't. There is no excuse for being lazy and trying to take advantage of those around you.
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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 10:22 pm
So in this programme, religion isn't to be seen as a problem, so much as something not to be publicised?
Does that imply that it will be forcibly quieted, or simplpy trained into people to be something they don't share?
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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 10:24 pm
Also, as the Neo-Communism, Communism, & Socialism Guild, the above points have a highly Marxist-Leninist bias which might exclude other socialists who are covered within the guild. I would suggest some slightly broader statements.
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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 10:40 pm
Lady Merewyn Also, as the Neo-Communism, Communism, & Socialism Guild, the above points have a highly Marxist-Leninist bias which might exclude other socialists who are covered within the guild. I would suggest some slightly broader statements. I have been pointing this out for quite a while ... but my voice fell on deaf ears. The wonders of direct democracy, eh?
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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 11:03 pm
I have made a list that isn't even full yet...
I am asking for addittions and modifications...
And all I get is "BAAAWWW! I CAN'T AGREE WITH ALL TEN!"
Of course the above probably came off as rather abbrasive, but meh.
I am asking for help making it. If you think you could word one or more of the points better or in a more useful way, please post your idea.
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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 11:09 pm
Gracchvs I have made a list that isn't even full yet... I am asking for addittions and modifications... And all I get is "BAAAWWW! I CAN'T AGREE WITH ALL TEN!" Of course the above probably came off as rather abbrasive, but meh. I am asking for help making it. If you think you could word one or more of the points better or in a more useful way, please post your idea. So, wait, you want modifications, but only if you like them? Wtf? Did you just BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW about people not liking your little list? Lololol. You just bawed about people bawing about a stupid list.
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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 11:14 pm
Dis Domnu Gracchvs I have made a list that isn't even full yet... I am asking for addittions and modifications... And all I get is "BAAAWWW! I CAN'T AGREE WITH ALL TEN!" Of course the above probably came off as rather abbrasive, but meh. I am asking for help making it. If you think you could word one or more of the points better or in a more useful way, please post your idea. So, wait, you want modifications, but only if you like them? Wtf? Did you just BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW about people not liking your little list? Lololol. You just bawed about people bawing about a stupid list. 1: it is my list, so yeah, of course I will only take changes if I think they are good. 2: I am complaining about the lack of any real suggestion. All it was if vague 'I don't fit' complaining. 3: Everyone needs a good BAAWWW every now and then, why not join us?
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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 11:24 pm
I am God. God does not baw.
I will now address points 1, 9, and 10.
1.) The assumption that the State is the solution to anything is, itself, a flawed one. The State enforces boundaries between the rulers and the ruled.
9.) The so called industrial "might" of the first world has done a good job of ******** over the planet and creating a generally unsustainable approach to living, and you want to spread it to the rest of the nations?
10.) A revolution dominated by an urban industrial class will only continue the domination of agricultural peoples by urban peoples. There can be no justice or equality in this.
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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 11:55 pm
Dis Domnu 9.) The so called industrial "might" of the first world has done a good job of ******** over the planet and creating a generally unsustainable approach to living, and you want to spread it to the rest of the nations? It would be better off with all the workers in the world having industry than any of the capitalists holding it. The workers have nothing to gain by abusing it.
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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:46 am
OP doesn't address ecological sustainability sad
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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:19 am
AnarchoPhiliac OP doesn't address ecological sustainability sad Well, I at least expect that the worers themselves wouldn't use industry to damage the environment because they wouldn't need to abuse the environment to gain extra profits.
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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:27 am
Herobane AnarchoPhiliac OP doesn't address ecological sustainability sad Well, I at least expect that the worers themselves wouldn't use industry to damage the environment because they wouldn't need to abuse the environment to gain extra profits. But you would still need to abuse the environment to run the certain industries in question. You know, like in open pit mining. Capitalist or socialist economy, open pit mining would still be beneficial to industry at the cost of long term environmental and ecological damage.
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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:30 am
AnarchoPhiliac Herobane AnarchoPhiliac OP doesn't address ecological sustainability sad Well, I at least expect that the worers themselves wouldn't use industry to damage the environment because they wouldn't need to abuse the environment to gain extra profits. But you would still need to abuse the environment to run the certain industries in question. You know, like in open pit mining. Capitalist or socialist economy, open pit mining would still be beneficial to industry at the cost of long term environmental and ecological damage. This is true, but pit mining was developed to pull out MORE than was really needed so that the capitalists could make more money. THe workers wouldn't need to take nearly so much. Just what's needed.
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