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 Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:51 pm
The ONE reason why I could NEVER be an Atheist is for this reason only. Even if I wasn't a Christian, I believed in Evolution to it's absolute fullest potential... I could never be an Atheist.
For me, at least, the creation of the Universe is proof of God. No matter how you word it, saying there are infinite universes or there was a quantum quark, the energy to start off the entirety of all things, energy, matter, etc., can not have just appeared. That is against the law(s) *of physics!* O:! (Haha, pun intended!)
Matter and energy can not have just existed, as something would have had to previously exist or be there to create matter and energy and what-not. God, being an infinite and eternal being, is the only logical conclusion. Or gods or whatever! Some external, infinite source created the energy that is now present.
What are your thoughts?
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:16 pm
Yes, I believe in God, He is my King. I think it's integral to have God, otherwise we base our entire belief on creating something entirely cosmic. God may be cosmic in a sort of sense, but it all makes sense when you put a God into the picture. And why would a bunch of people make a lot of writings about God? Just for an amusing joke for centuries to come? I don't think so personally, but that is just me.
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:21 pm
So basically, we don't have an argument yet....
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:28 pm
xxEternallyBluexx So basically, we don't have an argument yet.... Not an argument! A discussion! :] Arguments are worthless sometimes! XD
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Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 10:26 am
Do i even have to answer?
And about the universe
Just because we dont UNDERSTAND how it worked doesnt mean it is from god. Its like with helio centrism and geo centrism. We did not know how it woeked and since we thought we were in gods image we HAD to of been the center of the universe.
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Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 2:10 pm
Isaac742 Do i even have to answer? And about the universe Just because we dont UNDERSTAND how it worked doesnt mean it is from god. Its like with helio centrism and geo centrism. We did not know how it woeked and since we thought we were in gods image we HAD to of been the center of the universe. There's some things that don't work without a God. We all have expectations through every culture about right and wrong, especially among those who are considered equals. We teach our kids to do right. Where does right and wrong come from? Besides that where does our need for a purpose come from. If we were creatures made from the universe, shouldn't the majority feel at home? There's an understood need for improvement and progress. That's gotta come from something besides the world.
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Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 2:13 pm
mazuac xxEternallyBluexx So basically, we don't have an argument yet.... Not an argument! A discussion! :] Arguments are worthless sometimes! XD Discussions are nice. I love discussions. But to be honest, arguments are more fun. You really get more into something, when there's two sides of it.
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Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:29 pm
Isaac742 Do i even have to answer? And about the universe Just because we dont UNDERSTAND how it worked doesnt mean it is from god. Its like with helio centrism and geo centrism. We did not know how it woeked and since we thought we were in gods image we HAD to of been the center of the universe. Lol, sorry I can't make all my posts Atheist-relevant. >.<
And I get where you're coming from, but the creation of the Universe is impossible without an outside force. Matter, energy, etc. aren't created from nothingness (that HAS been proven, it's a LAW and can be demonstrated and proven).
@EternallyBlue: Yeah, haha, arguments are more fun! O: XD
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Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:49 pm
mazuac Isaac742 Do i even have to answer? And about the universe Just because we dont UNDERSTAND how it worked doesnt mean it is from god. Its like with helio centrism and geo centrism. We did not know how it woeked and since we thought we were in gods image we HAD to of been the center of the universe. Lol, sorry I can't make all my posts Atheist-relevant. >.<
And I get where you're coming from, but the creation of the Universe is impossible without an outside force. Matter, energy, etc. aren't created from nothingness (that HAS been proven, it's a LAW and can be demonstrated and proven).
@EternallyBlue: Yeah, haha, arguments are more fun! O: XD Once again, We dont know how to explain it. We have theories of us being a black hole, other universes coliding, sub quantum bubbles and MUCH MUCH MORE. But mater CAN be converted into energy
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Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:57 pm
Isaac742 mazuac Isaac742 Do i even have to answer? And about the universe Just because we dont UNDERSTAND how it worked doesnt mean it is from god. Its like with helio centrism and geo centrism. We did not know how it woeked and since we thought we were in gods image we HAD to of been the center of the universe. Lol, sorry I can't make all my posts Atheist-relevant. >.<
And I get where you're coming from, but the creation of the Universe is impossible without an outside force. Matter, energy, etc. aren't created from nothingness (that HAS been proven, it's a LAW and can be demonstrated and proven).
@EternallyBlue: Yeah, haha, arguments are more fun! O: XD Once again, We dont know how to explain it. We have theories of us being a black hole, other universes coliding, sub quantum bubbles and MUCH MUCH MORE. But mater CAN be converted into energy The energy for those kinds of things, heat energy, light, etc., can NOT have been produced by itself.
With that logic I can say this...: Billions of years ago, aliens came to the Earth and built a machine that produced the Dinosaur bones, the creatures themselves never existed. Science just hasn't found it yet.
Of course, I'm doing something that may seem incredibly illogical to you. But when you argue "ex-futura" anything can be possible! So technically, that theory is as credible as evolution if we're arguing in the future.
And yeah, matter can be converted into energy and visa-versa. But, what I am saying, is that nothing can't be converted into something...
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Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 7:07 pm
mazuac The ONE reason why I could NEVER be an Atheist is for this reason only. Even if I wasn't a Christian, I believed in Evolution to it's absolute fullest potential... I could never be an Atheist.
For me, at least, the creation of the Universe is proof of God. No matter how you word it, saying there are infinite universes or there was a quantum quark, the energy to start off the entirety of all things, energy, matter, etc., can not have just appeared. That is against the law(s) *of physics!* O:! (Haha, pun intended!)
Matter and energy can not have just existed, as something would have had to previously exist or be there to create matter and energy and what-not. God, being an infinite and eternal being, is the only logical conclusion. Or gods or whatever! Some external, infinite source created the energy that is now present.
What are your thoughts? Point taken ^_^ Besides, look at the trees, look at the dawn, the sundown, the way time and space move, the miracles, so, so and so many things yet to be said... heart Praise jesus
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Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 7:12 pm
I remember that once my pastor said that an atheist was arguing with her, well, she was arguing alone because my pastor wasn't even hearing her, and my pastor was reaching for an orange tree. She took the orange, I think she bit it, and took some pebbles out and said: "Funny thing, I mean, what being creates us and let's us die of hunger? Can evolution explain that?"
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Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:52 am
Yes, I not only BELIEVE in God, I KNOW He's out there, watching us, crying with us, for us. I KNOW this.
How do I know?? FAITH! Faith causes many things. Like courage, strength, even power.
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Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:58 am
Black Dize I remember that once my pastor said that an atheist was arguing with her, well, she was arguing alone because my pastor wasn't even hearing her, and my pastor was reaching for an orange tree. She took the orange, I think she bit it, and took some pebbles out and said: "Funny thing, I mean, what being creates us and let's us die of hunger? Can evolution explain that?" Im sorry but that argument does not even make sense. Can evolution explain why people die of hunger? no! Because it has to do NOTHING WITH IT
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Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:01 am
mazuac Isaac742 mazuac Isaac742 Do i even have to answer? And about the universe Just because we dont UNDERSTAND how it worked doesnt mean it is from god. Its like with helio centrism and geo centrism. We did not know how it woeked and since we thought we were in gods image we HAD to of been the center of the universe. Lol, sorry I can't make all my posts Atheist-relevant. >.<
And I get where you're coming from, but the creation of the Universe is impossible without an outside force. Matter, energy, etc. aren't created from nothingness (that HAS been proven, it's a LAW and can be demonstrated and proven).
@EternallyBlue: Yeah, haha, arguments are more fun! O: XD Once again, We dont know how to explain it. We have theories of us being a black hole, other universes coliding, sub quantum bubbles and MUCH MUCH MORE. But mater CAN be converted into energy The energy for those kinds of things, heat energy, light, etc., can NOT have been produced by itself.
With that logic I can say this...: Billions of years ago, aliens came to the Earth and built a machine that produced the Dinosaur bones, the creatures themselves never existed. Science just hasn't found it yet.
Of course, I'm doing something that may seem incredibly illogical to you. But when you argue "ex-futura" anything can be possible! So technically, that theory is as credible as evolution if we're arguing in the future.
And yeah, matter can be converted into energy and visa-versa. But, what I am saying, is that nothing can't be converted into something... Actually a vaccum over time can cause energy, And no. your theory of aliens #1 sounds like some stupid scientoligist. and #2 has NO scientific evidence. We have incredible amounts of evidence for evolution and no DIRECT evidece for creation. All of creations evidence is lack of understanding of evolutoin.
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