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 Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 7:57 pm
The sea-cave where Harry and Dumbledore found the bogus Horcrux locket planted by R.A.B, and where Voldemort took the children to torment them (HBP) is an interesting setting. I am wondering if it is any way significant as a setting, or just a place chosen by Jo as ominous enough and mystical enough to create the desired mood.
The essay behind this link is fascinating, and really makes you think about the sea-cave and what happened there. (I_heart_ron found it, by the way).
Essay
After I looked at that, I got interested in sea-caves, and I looked them up in a mythological context. What I found was:
Quote: As punishment, Loki now lies in a cave, bound to a rock by the entrails of his sons. A snake fastened to a stalactite above him drips venom into his face. Loki's faithful wife Sigyn catches the venom in a bowl, protecting Loki from harm. When the bowl fills, she carries it away and empties it into a rock basin in the cave. During those moments, Loki is left unguarded, and the snake's venom splashes in his face.
Loki
Does this not bear a resemblence to the potion that Dumbledore had? And Harry's difficulty in getting water, and just the whole hopeless, repetitive situation?
Could the potion Dumbledore drank be, say, snake's venom? Nagini's venom?
Quote: A sacred cave may also contain a sacred spring, which may possess special healing or divinatory properties.
Caves
Well, Voldemort may well have twisted the healing propeties to induce pain and the divinatory properties to make a Dementor-like effect, where they remember or fortell their worst experiences.
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Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:00 pm
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 10:28 am
I never liked the site with the mentioned essay because I found some of it far fetched (i.e. the thoughts on the origin of the Unforgivables). Acidic Cynic Quote: Quote: A sacred cave may also contain a sacred spring, which may possess special healing or divinatory properties. Caves Well, Voldemort may well have twisted the healing propeties to induce pain and the divinatory properties to make a Dementor-like effect, where they remember or fortell their worst experiences. Agree 100%. JKR said for hints for Dumbledore's boggart, yes this is relevent, could be found in HBP. The cave is the only part where Dumbledore is what can be reasonably called afraid. This would suggest that the potion would bring back memories like a dementor and from that the possibility of sniffing out his boggart. Just like you said, the dementor part anyway.
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 12:55 pm
I think the cave is significant insofar as it's one of the places Voldemort used to conceal his Horcrux. However, I think the significance ends there and I doubt we'll be seeing it again.
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Toothsome Conversationalist
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:52 am
SweetMelissa I think the cave is significant insofar as it's one of the places Voldemort used to conceal his Horcrux. However, I think the significance ends there and I doubt we'll be seeing it again.
However, the history of the cave is surely something to look at. Voldemort likes "trophies" and "significant" things - why not places too? That sea-cave seems a bit too deep, if you know what I mean. Like it has a story behind it.
Now I'm not saying it will have canon significance; we might very well not see it again. But just as JKR gives meaning to the names and then leaves them at that - without really ever mentioning it further in the books - there might be meaning to the sea cave. And if we look into the meanings of the names in the books, why not the settings?
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:54 am
flying_wings Agree 100%. JKR said for hints for Dumbledore's boggart, yes this is relevent, could be found in HBP. The cave is the only part where Dumbledore is what can be reasonably called afraid. This would suggest that the potion would bring back memories like a dementor and from that the possibility of sniffing out his boggart. Just like you said, the dementor part anyway. Why not the pain part too? Surely just mental and emotional anguish couldn't have made him collapse like that?
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:37 am
hmm.... it might be but i don think it will. It wasn't talked about to much besids for the part that was needed to get what harry and dumbledore came for.
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Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 6:26 pm
FireHorseDemon hmm.... it might be but i don think it will. It wasn't talked about to much besids for the part that was needed to get what harry and dumbledore came for. I agree, especially since what they were after was taken by R.A.B. that seemed to be the cave's purpose. Then again, JK has a way of making seemingly insignificant things important later, who can say?
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:56 pm
i don't know. Jo's a tricky duck. There's NO telling what that woman has up her sleeve, i mean look at Lupin and Tonks!!
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Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 8:12 pm
SweetMelissa I think the cave is significant insofar as it's one of the places Voldemort used to conceal his Horcrux. However, I think the significance ends there and I doubt we'll be seeing it again. I have to agree with this one. JKR has this wonderful way of writing that includes details, not necessarily vital to the story, that provide fodder for those few people that want to look deeper into certain aspects. Take for instance the woods and cores of individual wands. While I haven't read up on this too much, she mentioned at one point that each wood has a symbolic meaning and relates to the individual character. Also, birthdates seem to play a role in the character personalities, but not necessarily to the books themselves. If anyone follows www.jkrowling.com you may have noticed that the Weasley twins celebrate their birthday on April 1, April Fools Day. This is something that is neat to know if you are are a fanatic (as most of us are, otherwise we would not be in this guild) but are not vital to the storyline in any way. Getting back to the point, I think that the cave and what is located in it is important only to the extent that it is where the one particular horcrux was hidden. The use of the basin of snake venom as it relates to mythology, I feel, is just one of those neat little things that JKR includes in her writings. Interesting to know, but not overly important to the storyline.
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 10:38 am
The only significance I can possibly see would be why Voldie put that particular Horcrux in that particular place, and Hermione figured out some kind of pattern in where they're placed.....
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