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Miza_Radioaktiv
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:22 pm


I'm just interested to see what my comrades' opinions are on what's going on in Iran right now with the "Green Revolution".

Do you support the reformist Mousavi?

I for one, do. My friend and I have a protest planned for Thursday, the 25th. We're planning on marching in New Orleans waving flags of green and black. Green for Mousavi's color and black for the lives lost during the protests.
If any of you live near New Orleans and wish to participate, let me know and I'll give you the details.
PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:01 am


I live in a cave so I'm not well informed on the subject. However, This to me is just another case of the possibility for revolution being directed in the wrong way. What i'd really like to see is the Iranian Communist party at the forefront of all this and directing this action to where it needs to go. But unfortunately that is not the case.

To answer your question: If it is a victory for our comrades in Iran then by all means, I support them

Intermundia


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 1:11 pm


Comrade Rob
I live in a cave so I'm not well informed on the subject. However, This to me is just another case of the possibility for revolution being directed in the wrong way. What i'd really like to see is the Iranian Communist party at the forefront of all this and directing this action to where it needs to go. But unfortunately that is not the case.

To answer your question: If it is a victory for our comrades in Iran then by all means, I support them


Of course. I'd personally want to see the Communist Party of Iran as one of the main protesters, but Mousavi represents a more leftist political system than the theocratic fascism that Ahmadinejad supports.
PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:23 pm


Miza_Radioaktiv
Comrade Rob
I live in a cave so I'm not well informed on the subject. However, This to me is just another case of the possibility for revolution being directed in the wrong way. What i'd really like to see is the Iranian Communist party at the forefront of all this and directing this action to where it needs to go. But unfortunately that is not the case.

To answer your question: If it is a victory for our comrades in Iran then by all means, I support them


Of course. I'd personally want to see the Communist Party of Iran as one of the main protesters, but Mousavi represents a more leftist political system than the theocratic fascism that Ahmadinejad supports.
The previous pres. sucked up to western European capital. This pissed of the US, but as long as European powers had an interest there they were pretty safe.
When Ahmadi~ took over he went all protectionist and isolationist and s**t.
His populism got him the support of the small merchants and peasants and his orientation toward the west got him the support of the clergy, but the isolationism and even more backward views isolated the intelectuals and pissed of the large Iranian capitalist.

This so called 'Green Revolution' is merely the reaction of the big bourgeoisie appealing to the intelectuals against a populist supported by the petty bourgeoisie who is discouraging foreign investment and hurting their profits.

That is ALL IT IS.

This CANNOT be good in any sense of the word. The Iranian working class is highly combative, but has been repressed for decades, drowned in the blood of unionists. This was objectively supported by the reformist Communist Party who backed the 'Islamic Revolution' and did not call for proletarian class independence and try to turn it into a real revolution. The Iranian CP CANNOT BE RELIED UPON. In fact, one may even predict that when the moment of revoluton comes they will side with reaction.

In short:
* This is a thoroughly bourgeois movement.
* The working class is not a factor in the situation and at this juncture CANNOT BE.
* The Communist Party CANNOT lead this struggle in a decent direction.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:12 pm


Where do you find your Commie news, i'd very much like to get me some. (not sarcasm)
PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 7:47 pm


I do find it interesting though that so many of the protesters in this case are women. I think it means something, although I'm not sure what.

Lady Merewyn


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:21 pm


Comrade Rob
Where do you find your Commie news, i'd very much like to get me some. (not sarcasm)


I agree.
PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:13 pm


Comrade Rob
Where do you find your Commie news, i'd very much like to get me some. (not sarcasm)

Careful reading of bourgeois news sources?

And while it may just seem propaganda most of the time, icl-fi.org has decent info on a lot of subjects if you are lucky to find it--that is, if you can find the news within the political analysis of the news...

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:09 am


Lady Merewyn
I do find it interesting though that so many of the protesters in this case are women. I think it means something, although I'm not sure what.

Just from wikipedia... (on Mousavi's election platform):
"He has also vowed to review laws that discriminate against women in Iran. He has said that he would seek to disband the so-called morality police force and ensure that Iranian women are treated equally, with the ability to attain financial empowerment and to serve at the highest levels of decision making bodies."

I don't think it's anything more complicated than... he said he'd grant women more rights.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:34 am


I also live in a cave. My cave; however, gets satellite TV. I'm going with the green, only because it's much more left than Facsism.

Raziel Hotokashi


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 11:35 am


Raziel Hotokashi
I also live in a cave. My cave; however, gets satellite TV. I'm going with the green, only because it's much more left than Facsism.



You shouldn't side with a faction simply because they are left of your enemy. You must proclaim to everyone what your stance is and side with those who support your cause and your views. As communists we need to be careful as to not blend ideologies with the liberal bourgeoisie.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:59 pm


Raziel Hotokashi
I also live in a cave. My cave; however, gets satellite TV. I'm going with the green, only because it's much more left than Facsism.


Ugh..

It isn't fascist. If it was, do you think there would have been the attempts to talk to the students?
Of course not!That would have instantly shot them all.

@Rob:
What you said.

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Raziel Hotokashi

PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:36 pm


I see your reasoning. Both of you.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:54 pm


Raziel Hotokashi
I see your reasoning. Both of you.

But do you agree with it? If you don't, you should tell us why so that either we can convince you, or you can convince us...

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Raziel Hotokashi

PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 5:48 am


No, you convinced me. You're right, I should develop my opinions through more...intelligent means.

Since neither candidate is supportive of the workers' struggle, neither of them are the best candidate?
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