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Darkness Bandita

PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:05 pm


I know what ALOT of you think about it, but i find it satisfying to my magick pallete, if you would. So here I would like to know if anyone else here can do it, and what you all know on the subject (if you know anything at all) PLUS! I will be glad to answer anyones questions, even if its about some form of spirit you dont recognize (it might be from my field of expertise) I also have a large knowledge on some other forms of magick, if you wish to inquire about anything I WILL go out of my way to look into it and help you. But I dont want anyone getting angry at me for the topic, its just what I do, I highly respect all of your magicks as well, you will get no responses from me if you are insulting mine, but I will never insult yours. Promise.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:15 pm


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:00 pm


your second post made me laugh lol, I wanted to ask, seeing how you seem like a ok person, and not one of the make believers that make most of gaia up, what exactly is Necromancy. I know I could look all threw the web but I would most likely come across alot of BS, any info would be great. ^_^
(this is only for info, I consider my self a Wiccan, well one in training realy lol)
PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 10:09 pm


Thank you for the comliment! Well, necromancy is any and all magicks concerning the deceased, but some other areas in this field include beautification spells, some elemental magick, and various other blarg ranging from creating an apple that makes people fall in love with you to summoning various gods to aid you in specific ways. BE WARNED, summoning a god for no reason, or summoning the wrong god can lead to very dangerous territory. I advise that if you try anything, it should be cleared by a master at the art; I could talk to mine for you, but that requires a certain ritual as he has passed on to the eternal dessert. However if you would like just to read on the matter, just go pick up a copy of h.p. lovecraft's translated version of the necronomicon. It should explain in more detail than i could alone provide.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 10:14 pm


Lovecraft translated a copy of the necronomicon? Interesting. Though I have my doubts about it's usefulness, I guess I should find myself a copy.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 10:41 pm


Yes lovecraft did a version, he takes credit for more than he should however, as some people credit him with writing it, whereas i have an old copy that was written in some ancient language (although translating has proven to hard for me, only twelve pages in still) all of what he has written is an exact copy for what i can discern, although some of the book wasnt written in to the translated version for some reason. However it all works exactly the same, even the pronunciation of the words is correct, and i've defaulted to the english copy as it makes following instructions alot easier. But some scold me for it (my master had repeatedly yelled at me) and in some cases, its better to be well knowledged in the exact thing your attempting. So pick up a copy, thumb through it, and please dont try anything until your ready to (PLEASE CONSULT SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE DOING, PLEASE!!!)

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 11:48 pm


NO.

Lovecraft did not "translate" the Necronomicon. He invented it wholesale. There are writers who have fabricated the published copies of the Necronomicon (i.e., the Tysonomicon and the Simonomicon), but Lovecraft wrote neither of those - in fact, other than a couple of couplets, Lovecraft never even wrote a full version of the Necronomicon - doing so would detract from the terror of the idea.

However, you say you have a copy that was written in "some ancient language": while I hate to tear you away from the monumental task of translating from a language you don't even know the name of, please, by all means, let us see this pre-Lovecraft Necronomicon. Please. Oh god please.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:27 am


while i enjoy the cinicality of your comments, im going to have to say no to you my friend. The fact is he never wrote it, i agree, but he has taken all the glory for it, while most occult readers should be disgusted at the man, most accept him as the writer. As for my tome i do not wish to divulge any information on said book until i am finished with it. Just know that the language is from the middle east, and very difficult to decipher as it is a faded copy. Please bear with me, i agree with you about lovecraft, he is a glory hog that deserves nothing, however the book has proved very useful to me. Question: Do you practice necromancy? Or are you blowing the preverbial smoke? I understand that you are part of the occult book research guild as well, and thats very impressive as the information there is almost always golden, but answer my queries here first and maybe you shall be treated to the answers you seek.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 5:11 am


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while i enjoy the cinicality of your comments, im going to have to say no to you my friend. The fact is he never wrote it, i agree, but he has taken all the glory for it, while most occult readers should be disgusted at the man, most accept him as the writer. As for my tome i do not wish to divulge any information on said book until i am finished with it. Just know that the language is from the middle east, and very difficult to decipher as it is a faded copy. Please bear with me, i agree with you about lovecraft, he is a glory hog that deserves nothing, however the book has proved very useful to me. Question: Do you practice necromancy? Or are you blowing the preverbial smoke? I understand that you are part of the occult book research guild as well, and thats very impressive as the information there is almost always golden, but answer my queries here first and maybe you shall be treated to the answers you seek.


I don't practise necromancy. However, practising necromancy is not a prerequisite for being able to discuss Lovecraft's works. You've made a claim, and I'm asking you to back it so you don't end up misleading people.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:04 pm


Fine than, i shall retract said statement until i can compile the facts in a nice ordorly way 3nodding . However i wont retract the part where i said that i highly recommend that you pick up a copy just for reference sake, sound ok hon?
Also, do you practise any magicks? Ive been trying to look into some other areas but its been exceedingly hard to compile any intelligence on the matter that fits in an understandable way, there is way to many differences on the internet and so far nothing sounds like it fits with anything else. Its just confusing really...

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:08 pm


Now that I've researched and read up on some things. I'd have to say Mitsh is very correct in questioning your claim. As far as I can tell, the idea of the Necronomicon as we know it is a work of fiction courtesy of Lovecraft. However, rumors of rare copies of the Necronomicon, including one bound in human skin that worked it's way through Nazi-era Germany abound.

There was a brief mention in a book I have that claims the possible original writer of the true Necronomicon was alive a long time ago in the Middle East. Apparently, the man traveled the middle east while searching for material to fill the book with. Along the way, earning a small reputation... Gathering a few followers, and making a good few enemies. Rare book libraries through-out europe claim to have carried a copy of the book at one time. Some "losing" the book to a thief or fire, others selling it along for good money. Even so, as far as I can tell, it doesn't seem like it was even known as the Necronomicon until Lovecraft came along. Apparently, it was written as if it were a journal of observations that were never meant to be published or copied.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:23 pm


ooh, *clap clap clap* someone did his homework! That is correct, the book did exist pre-lovecraft, the whole "thief or fire" thing is a hoax however, the books were either bought by remaining followers or burned for the fact that "they are evil" which is another hoax. Necromancy is just another faction of magick, so if its evil, all magick is evil and i'm not buying that at all. It just concerns itself more with the dead and certain gods that "dont" exist to most people. If you ever encounter a god dont say anything stupid, or their name (shub-niggurath, nyarlathotep, kthulu, you get the point). But thats beside the point, yes i agree that lovecraft was no where near the inventor of the book, but his copies are easiest to find and i know that it works the same anyways. But if you do stumble across an old copy, by all means grab it and never let go! The wealth of knowledge in that book is worth more than a human life in comparison. But i digress, nice job on the research hon.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:31 pm


what necromancy realy is.

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Death magics have been around for as long as humans have grasped the concept of using magic of any form. Even the most basic division of magics must include a segment for that which is known as Necromancy. Though Necromancy currently has a functional etymology to it, this was not always the case. In the medieval ages, "Necromancy" was called "Nigromancy", meaning "Black Magic" (interpreted as that which harms the person). Later on, as "Nigromancy" came to be altered into "Necromancy" through Greek and Italian influences, the art gained a new face. Now, instead of simply being an art of injuring the human, it came to also be associated with graves, graveyards, spirits, and primarily of channelling dead spirits like a medium and working with The Angel of Death and heavily influenced by Catholicism and ritual myth or superstitious beliefs about bodies of the dead These associations, however, are clearly tainted by the early overwhelming dominance of Christian and Catholic thought, which turned the art into an "evil" sacrilege. As such, the beauty of the original Necromancies had been temporarily lost.


As time has progressed and information may now be more freely shared across the internet, the new breed of Necromancer is capable of once again delving into the secrets of death and of illness, as before. There is a quote floating around on the internet which fully expresses this new freedom by reflecting on past oppression: "Once there was a time when all people believed in God and the church ruled. This time is called the Dark Ages." Now that information can be freely spread, trends in the use of death magic can be seen and formed into a new and pure art of death magic once more with the creeds and cantrips left at the door. In contrast to the Healer, the Necromancer embraces those powers which kill, decay, and decrepidate, and attempts to put them to use. This power goes by many names, but primarily among true Necromancers as Death Essence. It is the power which kills, harms, and causes decay, and that which is of foremost interest to the practitioner of these death magics.


The Necromancer runs into a dilemma while using these essences, however. Regardless how one may try, the fact of the matter is that even Necromancers are living breathing human beings. As such, not even the seasoned practitioner can escape the baneful effects that these energies have on the body. Advanced aging, hair loss, sallow skin, and a gaunt complexion are all traits which are associated (in varying degrees) with the seasoned practitioner. Though the effects may only manifest as internal pains, as well, the fact is that to gain power in this art requires that suffering be present. The Necromancer's sacrifice for power is often scorned or considered madness, but for the practitioner it is worth the pain. To gather a sufficient sum of energy, the pain of the Necromancer's own suffering is channelled into a Necromantic Curse, or into a Servitor Summoning. These two components are the basis of every Necromantic spell. Traditionally, the entire art of Necromancy has been broken down into these two branches. The most infamous aspect of necromancy, without doubt, is the creation of phantasmals and undeads. The less flashy but more used aspect is the direct application of the death essences in curses, the imbuement of fetishes, and the decrepitation of organic entities. Addressing the problem of personal decrepidation, however, there rose a spin-off skill of necromancy: vampiric magic.


Vampiric magic is a particular fringe skill of Necromancy focussed on helping the necromancer survive the ordeals of coming in contact with death essences. Instead of simply locking down and bearing the ill effects of death magic, Vampiric magics were born to shoulder some of the weight by allowing a degree of rejuvenation as well as the effects of necromancy to coexist. Only this much is the truth behind vampire tales and the vampire cults that exist around the world. Though there are no "vampires", per se, there are those necromancers that have refined the ability to use death to drain from the life forces of others. The precise means of doing this is up to the caster to discover but, through absorption of the life forces of other creatures, the necromancer can waylay many of the adverse effects of their art and retain a relatively normal degree of health and well-being at the expense of others. Though there is no proof that this kind of magic can actually extend life beyond the normal duration, it has shown the power to counteract the negative effects of using death magics and to allow the practitioner to live normally.


Historically, vampiric magic has taken many different forms. There are those that have consumed real blood in attempts to drain life, based on ideas as far back as the Bible's statement that ".. the life of the flesh is in the blood" (Lev. 17:11), sexual vampires (hearkening to Aristotle's claim that life is in the sexual fluids of either gender), and those that drain life force purely, somewhat reminiscient of the breathism and psychic vampire traditions1. Note that vampiric necromancy does not mean you're a vampire, but is an appropriate metaphor for the nature of this skill.


A common mistake to make when attempting to utilize the direct applications of Necromancy is to get caught up in thinking of the effect. If the effect, for example, is to make a person go blind, the most common mistake is for the would-be Necromancer to attempt to try and "think" a person blind. Necromancy, as with all the other castes on The Library of Knowledge, contrasts from the Ritual Magicks because of its use of a) a distinct energy type, and b) a distinct methodology in using that unique energy. The would-be Necromancer's most common grief is that they can't "Think Blind" or "Think Sick" someone. The key is in keeping your mind on methods, not effects, and in working the methods of necromancy into an occult science. For example, as one may wish to use the blindness spell, there are a few ways to do it.

All ways, however, require one to plan their spell out. That, by definition, is what makes a spell a spell. It's a mystical blueprint for the methods of magic. If I wanted to cause blindness, given that Death Essence is the energy a Necromancer works with, the most easy and obvious way to do this is load the eyes of your target with sufficient death energies. The absorption technique outlined on the Beginning 2 page works for Death Essence as well, and its the Necromancer's own pain and decay from absorbing these energies that is channelled into the target. It is much more complex than this example if one literally intends on striking someone blind, but the principles are there. The minor backlash the Necromancer receives throughout their entire body, however, is diminutive compared to the effect of channelling such a vast energy into a concentrated area of a target. With enough effort, this spell will cause permanent blindness, or with a bit of manipulation can deviate to cataracts or optical cancers. Kept in its undeveloped stages, which is sometimes preferable, the Necromancer can blur, dim, or outright blind whomever they choose (though never without consequence). Other effects are attainable by using the very same energy in different configurations and places on your target, and altering properties of the energy's performance slightly.

Blanket-effect spells are also possible, though they drain more from the Necromancer due to the greater amount of energy needed. Aside from the direct application of death energies to an organic being, however, there is also the unique ability to congeal the essences into a form or shape, thus allowing the famous Undeads and Phantasmal servitors.


Legends of the Zombie, Wraith, and Skeleton have been attached to necromancy for as long as it has gone by that name. Visions of the Dead and other such strange phenomenon have been attributed as commonplace to the Necromancer in myth and fable, often making the Necromancer seem insensitive, evil, and morbid. These creatures are used, however, in a manner that shows clearly a Necromancer understands the undead's psychological effect fully and that the caster truly feels and appreciates the terror in them. The existence of undead creations of a Necromancer are not fable, yet a few misconceptions of their origin, nature, and ability have arisen. As for origin, it should be noted that Necromancers are not able, nor have they ever been able, to raise the physical bodies of the dead to reanimation in any way, shape, or form. The flesh that has died is dead forever, and that is all there is to it. No amount of spellcraft can return the physical dead to physical animation again, for love, or will, or power.

The Necromantic Undead is a creation of the caster's own mind as the result of concentration. Things such as form and motion are consciously preordained by the necromancer and are constructed in much the same way as an elemental servitor might be. Thought-forms given shape and empowered with the death essence may serve the caster in much the same way as a demon might, or some other independent intelligence, with the one exception that these servants are directly controlled by the caster and have no decision making ability outside of the caster's conscious guidance. These undead or phantasmal servants are given form purely as the Necromancer shapes them -- usually in the form of grotesque terrors of the mind -- and move, exist, or operate only as the controlling caster deems fit. They are unreal, in the sense of being self-sufficient or substantial, and are necessarily a hallucinogenic projection. As with any spell, the skill lies in the Necromancer's ability to manipulate these creatures to perform with some similitude of fluid movement. After they have served a purpose, concentration may be broken and the ethereal construct can vaporise.


There are many more surprises to be found in the art of necromancy, but at a price. Success is met with personal anguish and the price of victory -- pain. There is no way to sidestep the long hours of hard practice necessary to make this art work, but in the end it is the Necromancer who twists the death ethers to their will and stands as the scholar of magic and master of their own destiny.



sigh bandita the lang your book would be in would be egyption or mayan as there the few of the few races of people to have ever boasted a book of the dead.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:53 pm


A race doesn't have to be responsible for the book, just one person. Even so, it wouldn't have gained a reputation as a "Book of the Dead" in that use of the term anyway, seeing as it seems it was more of a journal of one mans exploration of the subjects he wished to study. Though, if we are to listen to Bandita, we are to assume that the writer existed (which is unproven), and that he was met with great success in his experimentation, travels, and studies.

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