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Atrum Faustus

PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 8:39 pm


I'm not sure if this is the right forum for this or not, but I thought I'd throw it up and see what happens.

Alright, so I just made a Twitter account in the last few days for a little project thing I'm doing. (I'll explain what it is if you want me to, but it's not important right now)

I was thinking about Twitter's 140 character limit, and got the idea of making a minimalistic language that would fit into that character limit rather well.

Now, I can barely get any work done on the other conlang projects I have (read: no work), so I was just wondering if anyone would be interested in working on this. Sorta like an exercise in condensing grammar and developing methods for compounding words. For a "functional" language, we could try streamlining English, or, what I think might be a little more interesting, we could start from scratch.

Anyway, that's about it. So: thoughts? Interest?
PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 2:17 pm


I would love to help!

ever think about making letters match with numbers of the most commonly used words?

and not having the need for the word 'the' or 'a' would be good yes?

so it would look something like this


C7 G2 M2 R19 Q31

or something like that? I think this sounds great!

Song Wei


speria

PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 1:24 pm


This sounds like a cool idea. As long as the words are short then it should be pretty easy to fit into the character limit.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:27 pm


Hey everyone, sorry for disappearing. I have a bad habit of doing that during Summer Break.

I like the idea of using numbers for common words.

Some of the ideas I've been having are:
-Sorta taking a page from the book of txt talk (which makes me feel dirty, but yeah...); I'm not sure how to really accurately describe it, so I'll just give a few examples

Demon becomes Dmon, eat becomes et (not sure about this one). Basically cutting out vowels that become redundant when you consider the "natural vowel sound" of some letters. I dunno. It's just a thought; maybe someone could take it and run with it?

The other idea is putting a limit on how small a given word could be compressed. Like, maybe no smaller than three letters? Of course, that wouldn't matter when the word is being given a number code.

And I just had another thought; using onomatopoeia more often. Eat could be "om", for example. (Like om nom nom, if that;s not obvious.

I'm sorry if this is all a little chaotic; this is just some really rough brain storming.

Atrum Faustus


Song Wei

PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 7:47 pm


Atrum Faustus
Hey everyone, sorry for disappearing. I have a bad habit of doing that during Summer Break.

I like the idea of using numbers for common words.

Some of the ideas I've been having are:
-Sorta taking a page from the book of txt talk (which makes me feel dirty, but yeah...); I'm not sure how to really accurately describe it, so I'll just give a few examples

Demon becomes Dmon, eat becomes et (not sure about this one). Basically cutting out vowels that become redundant when you consider the "natural vowel sound" of some letters. I dunno. It's just a thought; maybe someone could take it and run with it?

The other idea is putting a limit on how small a given word could be compressed. Like, maybe no smaller than three letters? Of course, that wouldn't matter when the word is being given a number code.

And I just had another thought; using onomatopoeia more often. Eat could be "om", for example. (Like om nom nom, if that;s not obvious.

I'm sorry if this is all a little chaotic; this is just some really rough brain storming.
That idea about the Onomatopoeia is actually pretty interesting! I think it would be helpful!
PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:56 pm


I would use onomatopoeia with a mixture of abjadization (not a real word) and numerical representation. The French do this in their chat-speak, if I recall. I'd also encourage some sort of acronym system for common phrases, as in 'z.B.' for 'zum Beispiel' (for example) or 'usw' for 'und so Weite' (like 'etc') in German. Also, perhaps a replacement system for sounds like 'sh' and 'ch' (sh -> " or some other, c -> x or some other)

I om "rly sndwx, bc ilv oms.

I sure eat a sandwich, because I love food.

Something like that, maybe.

Czarevich


Kraslev

PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:18 pm


Czarevich
I would use onomatopoeia with a mixture of abjadization (not a real word) and numerical representation. The French do this in their chat-speak, if I recall. I'd also encourage some sort of acronym system for common phrases, as in 'z.B.' for 'zum Beispiel' (for example) or 'usw' for 'und so Weite' (like 'etc') in German. Also, perhaps a replacement system for sounds like 'sh' and 'ch' (sh -> " or some other, c -> x or some other)

I om "rly sndwx, bc ilv oms.

I sure eat a sandwich, because I love food.

Something like that, maybe.
und so weiter
PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:19 pm


Czarevich
I would use onomatopoeia with a mixture of abjadization (not a real word) and numerical representation. The French do this in their chat-speak, if I recall. I'd also encourage some sort of acronym system for common phrases, as in 'z.B.' for 'zum Beispiel' (for example) or 'usw' for 'und so Weite' (like 'etc') in German. Also, perhaps a replacement system for sounds like 'sh' and 'ch' (sh -> " or some other, c -> x or some other)

I om "rly sndwx, bc ilv oms.

I sure eat a sandwich, because I love food.

Something like that, maybe.


Check out EasyScript. It's a quick note-taking method very similar to chat speak but is systematic and predictable -- although you must customize it to your liking, thus your EasyScript won't be exactly the same as someone else's. It's not so much meant as a method of communication, but if someone normalized it (adding in the missing bits) and made it more popular, it would probably be the new "text message language."

In EasyScript, a sentences changes like this:
The attempt to communicate with extraterrestrials was successful.
arrow t atmpt t cmnct w xtrstrls w sccf.

The point of EasyScript is to reduce the amount of letters you must write or type, in order to increase writing/typing speed without using a complicated symbolic system like Gregg or Pitman shorthand, and without haphazard abbreviation like chat-speak... Like how you use the letter "y" to mean "you/your/you're" and you'd use "w" to mean "who" or "what" by context and you could specify wt for what, or wo for who (with w/o for without). "Real" EasyScript has specific rules to follow, but completely encourages you to add and change your own rules to better suit your needs.

I do this so much on my notes now that I can jot down notes in class, on the phone, or during a conversation, without even paying attention to what I'm writing.

Xeigrich
Vice Captain


Red Kutai

Benevolent Codger

PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:58 am


TvIaMsOqTuHeYz
I'm sad, Laxus seems insanely boring now...

I want to replace him with a Paladin character... Seems like it would be fun to play an extremely lawful good character.


... No. Tim, look at your history here. You've been here for years, about the same length of time as me. We both started on about the same level, but look at us now. The reason you're not getting better, is because you're not settling on one RPC. You keep abandoning a concept before it can come to fruition and really flesh out, and trying again. And so long as you do that, you're never going to improve OR see your ideas come to life. You have to hold to a character until it comes through for you. If he seems boring, alter him a bit. I just gave you the perfect catalyst for a major personality change if that'd help. An RPC is as flexible as you are. You can change at any moment, you just have to work at it.

Don't replace him. Improve him, and see what comes out. Also, try and remove the chip from his shoulder. All of your RPCs so far have had that fatal flaw, in that they think they're something special. It can be an interesting angle to play, but you're not skilled enough yet to play it right, and it comes off more as an arrogant weakling than an actual intimidating character.

And please don't take any of this the wrong way. I'm not trying to bash on you, I'm just trying to point out where I believe you've gone wrong, and how you can improve yourself.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:43 am


R1 Big alphabet = good idea.
General alphabet,
a á ɐ ɑ ɒ ꜳ æ ᴂ ꜵ ꜹ ꜷ ꜽ b ɓ ʙ c ɕ d ɖ ɗ ȸ ʣ ʤ ʥ e é ɘ ə ɚ ɛ ɜ ɝ ɞ ʚ f ƒ ɟ g ɠ ɢ ʛ ɣ ɤ h ɥ ɦ ɧ ʮ ʯ ʜ i í ɨ ɩ ɪ j ʝ k ᶄ ʞ ɫ ɬ ɭ ɮ ʟ m ɯ ɰ ɱ n ŋ ɲ ɳ ɴ o ó ɵ ɶ œ ᴔ ꝏ ɔ ƣ ɷ p ƥ þ ɸ q ʠ ȹ r ɼ ɽ ɹ ɺ ɻ ɾ ɿ ʀ ᴙ ʁ ᴚ s ʂ ȿ ß ʃ ʄ ʅ ʆ ƪ t ʦ ʧ ꜩ ʨ ʇ ʈ u ú ʉ ᵫ ʊ v ʋ ʌ w ʍ ƿ y ʎ ʏ z ʐ ʑ ɀ ʒ ƹ ʓ ʔ ʡ ʕ ʢ ʖ ʗ ʘ Ƅ ƨ

Some special characters that we could use,

˹ ʹ ʺ ʻ ʼ ʽ ʾ ʿ ˀ ˁ ˂ ˹ ˺ ˻ ˼ ˥ ˦ ˧ ˨ ˩[Common Inflections]
¡ ! ¿ ? . , : ;[Obvious use grammatical mood, topic, list.]
: ;[Punctuation other]
“ ” ‘ ’ « » [ ] { } ( )[Grammatical sorting]
* · • ⁊ † ‡[Notes/Refferences]


And a base fourty number system,–
0۰०೦1۱१೧2۲२೨3۳३೩4۴४೪5۵५೫6۶६೬7۷७೭8۸८೮9۹९೯

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Layra-chan

PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 5:36 pm


A heavily fusional language would cut down on excess words. For example, an affix for verbs with two person indications would allow one to drop pronouns in both subject and object; you could build in tense and aspect as well. You end up with a huge number of conjugations, but each individual word is shorter.

If we're just doing written stuff, then ditching the whole notion of phonology and pronunciation saves us a lot of space. English has about 1 bit of data per letter (most natural languages have about this much information density), but saturating the space of letter strings will get us about 5 bits per letter (ignoring things like pragmatics).
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 10:06 am


okay lets use everyone elses ideas generally and
for one this insane alphabet… I wish asdfasdf was online wait… ah, might have been an old account of mine but I digress.
Letters would be composed of
Symbols: a ɐ ɑ ɒ ꜳ æ ᴂ ꜵ ꜹ ꜷ ꜽ b ɓ ʙ c ɕ d ɖ ɗ ȸ e ɘ ə ɚ ɛ ɜ ɝ ɞ ʚ f ƒ ɟ g ɠ ɢ ʛ ɣ ɤ h ɥ ɦ ɧ ʮ ʯ ʜ i ɨ j ʝ k ᶄ ʞ ɫ ɬ ɭ ɮ ʟ m ɯ ɰ ɱ n ŋ ɲ ɳ ɴ o ɵ ɶ œ ᴔ ꝏ ɔ ƣ ɷ p ƥ þ ɸ q ʠ ȹ r ɼ ɽ ɹ ɺ ɻ ɾ ɿ ʀ ᴙ ʁ ᴚ s ʂ ȿ ß ʃ ʄ ʅ ʆ ƪ t ʇ ʈ u ʉ ᵫ ʊ v ʋ ʌ w ʍ ƿ y ʎ ʏ z ʐ ʑ ɀ ʒ ƹ ʓ ʔ ʡ ʕ ʢ ʖ ʗ ʘ Ƅ ƨ ǀ ǁ ǂ ǃ ʬ
+

pairs corresponding to following patterns like affricates would be given seperate symbols.

Certain Inflectional Symbols: ˹ ʹ ʺ “ ” ʻ ʼ ʽ ʾ ʿ ˀ ˁ ˂ ˹ ˺ ˻ ˼ ˥ ˦ ˧ ˨ ˩ ˥˦ ˥˧ ˥˨ ˥˩ ˦˥ ˦˧ ˦˨ ˦˩ ˧˥ ˧˦ ˧˨ ˧˩ ˨˥ ˨˦ ˨˧ ˨˩ ˩˥ ˩˦ ˩˧ ˩˨ ꜈ ꜉ ꜊ ꜋ ꜌ ꜍ ꜎ ꜏ ꜐ ꜑ ꜒ ꜓ ꜔ ꜕ ꜖ ꜒꜓ ꜒꜔ ꜒꜕ ꜒꜖ ꜓꜒ ꜓꜔ ꜓꜕ ꜓꜖ ꜔꜒ ꜔꜓ ꜔꜕ ꜔꜖ ꜕꜒ ꜕꜓ ꜕꜔ ꜕꜖ ꜖꜒ ꜖꜓ ꜖꜔ ꜖꜕
Numerators/Numbers Capital 0۰०೦1۱१೧2۲२೨3۳३೩4۴४೪5۵५೫6۶६೬7۷७೭8۸८೮9۹९೯
Miniscule versions of 0۰०೦1۱१೧2۲२೨3۳३೩4۴४೪5۵५೫6۶६೬7۷७೭8۸८೮9۹९೯,
may be used as letters.

other details every letters can be given a diacretic, one Inflectional symbol or no marking.
such as, a å ä a̽ ã a̚ ȧ ă a̋ á ā à ȃ a̪ a̺ a̻ a̹ a̜ a̠ a̘ a̙ a̝
[every diacritic that could occur above could also occur bellow]
The additional characters would all be in the private use area.
the diacritics can also be used with numbers
Each combination of base character plus diacritic would be given it's own code point in the private use area,
since writter limit is based on 140 characters.

Each alphabetic letter can occur as modifier/dependent form including a preceding modifier or dependent form.
and can further appear as a superscript or even subscript.
Further notes:
Each morpheme would be one letter plus optionally any preceding or following dependent letter or following minuscule number.
It can also be a dependent preceding letter and a dependent following letter.

In the year 2015,
could be represented by something like:
۰۴˥˩
˥˩ [being in the year of the years between 1600–3200 CE]
۰۴ 10:14[the number of the year in the same cycle of 1600 years]

As for Verb phrase enclitics, would encode for Subject And Object,
for the grammar one could take a reasonably complete grammar of english,
and a full list of all of their prepositions.

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