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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 5:08 pm


Why do you think that twilight has evolved into such the fandom that is is? With millions of spazzies all over the area.
PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 6:04 pm


I'm just going to bullet-point this:

-The crowd it's aimed at--young teenagers. They're suckers for any sort of romance and the supernatural. That, and Edward was described as, more or less, being a sparkly Adonis, so we'll let your mind go from there.

-It looks like a huge book, but it's not (the font and the margins are HUGE), so it makes you think you've read, say, the same amount as LotR or Harry Potter

-Vampires. Everybody loves them. Just look at that whole schtick with Underworld! Not to mention the really bad movies they made from Anne Rice's novels.

-It has a movie. Look at the surge in popularity every book gets right before and then after the movie.

-Young teenage girls are Mary-sue lovers to the extreme. Having lived through my own fanperson stage, I know this. Twilight--especially from the second book on--is very Maru-Sue is.

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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 11:42 am


I agree. I used to adore th series. I now despise them. You couldnt pay me 100 dollars (but yeah a million) to watch the movie again. I'm so ashamed I watched it 1nce. A while back I finnally got a bookshelf besides cramming them into my two small shelfs on my desk. The Twilight books are now one the botom shelf shoved into the back. I feel like burning them!! Too bad all my friends would kill me if I did. rolleyes

I loved them untill I came into some hater's and finnallly saw the light. My teacher was one of the biggest helpers.

He was like, " So your reading Twilight?"

Me: " Yup pretty good books."

Teacher: " The storys about a girl who would rip her life away for her boyfriend vampire right?"

Me: eek surprised *Gonk*

________ Next day____ (I was still reading)___


Me: " MR.____ Why dont you like Twilight"



Teacher:" Because it was made to appeal to teenagers. Its brain candy for the teenage female mind."





Thus I kept reading and kept realizing my teacher was right I totally wasted $ and time on these stupid books. Now I not-so-much like 'em.
PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 5:55 am


Lol although I do enjoy the series... I must admit that I do find many flaws...

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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 1:05 am


I say all for female >> i like romance and all but stuff like that is. . . just so teenage fangirl >> and their skin sparkled like a thousand diamonds XD i like to say this to my younger sis who is a Twilight freak XD its funny XD as a person who i talked to agreed "its a vampire book writen by a person who doesnt know anything about vampires" im a sucker for myth and historical facts and when people do stuff like that i get ticked >> i say underworld was a way better series. and isnt the main guy supposer to be like 100? he like to pry on young females? i mean this book is like alot of girl fantasy >> =a older man comes a sweeps you off your feet with promises of adventure and etc.= i mean think about it >>
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I got the book for Christmas from my aunt, and it was at the back of my shelf for the longest time. Then I read all the books I had at school with me, so I picked it up.
I finished the book in a day, not only because it's a short read, but because I was really interested. Of course, because I didn't take my time, I missed out on all the tell-tale signs of a horrible book.
Kudos to Stephanie Meyer for influencing a generation that reading is cool and for creating a new sort of mythology. [I, for one, enjoyed the Native American mythology, but that it about all I enjoyed.] But Stephanie Meyer is but a housewife who doesn't seem to fathom the injustice that she's doing to the literary world and the vampire/supernatural mythologies.
I know a little girl who wants to get two piercings on her neck so that she could say that Edward bit her. stare Dear Lord.
And mind you, I have nothing against housewives. Most of the women in my family are happy homemakers. Maybe she isn't happy at home, so she has to create the "perfect romance" that she always dreamed of? IDK. But her world is ridiculous, and I wish it to stay out of my world.
OMG, and that movie! Dear Lord, I hated everything down to the camera angles. I'm a Literature major and a Film minor, so that series is just killing all I love in life! gonk



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 4:32 pm


Guy's I found the perfect essay on every thing wrong with Twilight!! xd Lol here it is :

Here's the essay, for easy access:

Twilight Essay Racism, Classism and Sexism
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The essay I wrote on Twilight for my Woman's Studies class.

The Darker Side of Twilight:
Racism, Classism, and the Romanticization of Unhealthy Relationships

Stephanie’s Meyers teen romance series, known as the Twilight saga, is a pop culture phenomenon. All around the world girls are falling in love with Edward Cullen, and the story of his undying love for Bella Swan. However, behind the sugary sweet love story of Twilight, there is a book series which reproduces racist, classist, and sexist paradigms spreading them to its legions of young fans around the world.

Romance novels impact the expectations and behaviors of those who consume them. They present constructs of the ideal man, the ideal relationship, and the behaviors expected of women to get these relationships. In a study focused on female college students, researcher Huei-Hsia Wu found that “Most romance novels promote deeply constraining patriarchal values. Thus reading romance novels plays a role in shaping the meaning of the self, sexual identity and the attitudes and behaviors relative to this patriarchy” (Wu 2006). The affect of romance novels is not limited to college students. An earlier study, cited by Wu, evidenced that “Indian women readers construct [Western] romance fiction as a modern manuals on sexuality” (Parameswaran 2002). Across countries and cultures, romance novels serve as vehicles which export a Western patriarchal idea of sexuality. The Twilight series is geared toward younger readers whose interest in and expectations of love and relationships are just forming. Due to its immense popularity in a multitude of countries its influence is very wide spread.

According to an August article in the Roanoke times, the series has “7.5 million copies in print [and has] been published in 37 countries” (Hutkin). These figures were taken before the release of the latest installment of the series which sold 1.3 million copies its first day (Memmott). The film adaptation of the first book grossed $69,637,740 during its opening weekend (“Twilight”). Due to its status as an international phenomenon, girls all over the world have become enthralled by the series. For many fans, Edward Cullen is their ideal man, because after all, Edward is “perfect”. But what exactly does perfect mean?

In terms of race, perfection in the Twilight world means being white. The vampires in Twilight are described as being ultra white and are presented as superior race: faster, stronger, and more beautiful than humans, essentially better in every way. Meyer herself has stated that she is “anti-human”. This remark coming in response to claims that the books are anti-feminist because Bella is weak, Meyer’s retort: “If anything I am anti-human”, implies that Edward is better than Bella not because of gender, but because vampires are superior to humans. The vampire’s superior appearance is focused on extensively in the novels, and is described in connection to being whiter than normal humans. When a person becomes a vampire, they become extraordinarily attractive, and if they are a person of color they become white: “They were, without question, the three most beautiful women I had ever seen. They had such pale skin, I remember marveling at it. Even the little black-haired girl, whose features were clearly Mexican, was porcelain in the moon light.” (Meyer, Eclipse 293). The Mexican woman is beautiful because becoming a vampire has allowed her to appear white, implying that having porcelain skin is beautiful and perfect, while darker skin is inferior. When this book is read by women of color both in the United States and in other countries, it sends the message that non-white people are inferior because they cannot look like the vampires in the novels. Non-white readers can not even identify with the human protagonist Bella, whose features were left deliberately vague to allow reads to juxtapose themselves, because the one fact about her appearance that is made very clear is the fact she is white.

In fact, everyone in the book with the exception of the Native Americans at the La Push reservation is white. In racist contexts, the oppressed group is often presented as the other, while the dominant group is presented as the norm. In the novels, the members of the Quileute Tribe, the only non-white characters presented, are rendered literally inhuman. Instead of being human beings, “legend claims that [the Quileute Tribe is] descended from wolves” (Meyer, Twilight 124). Because they are descended from wolves, all the key Native American characters are were-wolves. The only minorities present in the series are literally a separate species, which suggests that non whites are less than human. Furthermore, although both vampires and were-wolves are inhuman, the werewolves are more savage than the vampires. Edward objects to Bella being around Jacob because were-wolves can easily lose control of themselves. The dark skinned Native American cannot control his urges, while the super white vampire can. Although Jacob never attacks Bella as a were-wolf, he does sexually assault her forcing a kiss on her, and embodying the stereotype of the lustful dark skinned sexual aggressor. Again, this contrasts with Edward who is committed to chastity until he and Bella are married, and never loses control of himself due to his sexual desires. Overall, the Twilight series defines normalcy in terms of being white, and perfection in terms of being whiter, while presenting people of color as thus inferior and subhuman in addition to reinforcing racist stereotypes.

It comes as little surprise then that the inferior minorities are shown as living in poverty, while the white vampires enjoy obscene wealth. Jacob Black’s house is described as “a small wooden place with narrow windows, the dull red paint making it resemble a tiny barn.” (Meyer, New Moon 130). The words “small” “narrow” and “tiny” emphasize that the house is not large. The description of the paint as dull suggests that it old because the paint has faded. The use of the word barn goes further, implying that the building better resembles a dwelling fit for animals than for people. This comes in sharp contrast to the Cullens’ house which is “painted a soft, faded white, three stories tall rectangular, and well proportioned.” (Meyer, Twilight 321). Even the Cullens’ house is described in terms of whiteness, just as the leading minority characters name is described in terms of a darker color conation. Furthermore, poverty is presented as the norm for minorities, while extreme wealth is another trait which makes the Cullens superior to everyone else in the novel.

In terms of class, wealth is linked to perfection in the Twilight series. Before Bella ever meets Edward, she notices his expensive car. “The nicest car here was the shiny Volvo, and it stood out.” (Meyer, Twilight 14). The car sets Edward apart from everyone else in Forks because he and the rest of the Cullens are wealthier than anyone else. As the novels progress it becomes clear that the Cullens are wealthier than most people in general. The Cullens’ own a private island off the coast of South America, and are able to buy items that aren’t available to the normal public including a flat screen TV only released in Korea and a luxury Mercedes that isn’t even “available in Europe yet” (Meyer, Breaking Dawn 6). Clearly, the Cullens are of the highest social class imaginable. Their high class makes them superior even to other vampires. The evil vampires in Twilight, the nomads, are described as having “clothes...frayed…with wear, and [being] barefoot” (Meyer, Twilight 376). Unlike the Cullens, the nomads own nothing, and their clothing suggests that they have no material wealth. While the high class Cullens are civilized and good, these vampires are savage murderers. Thus, material wealth is associated with goodness and civility, while lack of wealth is presented in the context of wildness and evil. Throughout history, lower classes have been presented as immoral. This view has been used to justify systematic oppression by the upper classes who were their moral superiors. The Twilight saga reproduces the same classist paradigms, demonizing lower classes, while exalting the wealthy.

While the construction of race and class in Twilight is disturbing, the core of the Twilight series is the romance between Bella and Edward. So the construction of genders in the series is of key importance as we examine what the Twilight series presents as a perfect romance. The ideal relationship as presented in Twilight is an unhealthy, characterized by abuse, control and obsession, while gender is constructed in terms of males as father figures and women as dependent children. The basis of Edward and Bella’s ‘love’ for each other is obsession and infatuation. Edward stalks Bella, entering her room to watch her sleep without her knowledge before they start dating. Bella is so obsessed with Edward, that when he leaves her in “New Moon” she becomes catatonic for four months, then begins to engage in dangerous activities so she can hallucinate hearing his voice. In her book But I love him: Protecting Your Teen Daughter From Controlling, Abusive Dating Relationships, psychotherapist Dr. Jill Murray describes such a relationship as an “addictive relationship”. In Twilight, Edward calls Bella his “brand of heroin” (Meyer, Twilight 26 cool , a phrase which is immortalized by many fans who find it romantic. The relationship is also literally discussed in terms of addiction in Eclipse, when Bella discusses why she loves Edward more than Jacob.

Besides being an unhealthy relationship based on addictive obsession, Edward and Bella’s relationship exhibit many signs of emotional abuse. Dr. Murray outlines these signs in her book, they include: monopolizing the girl’s time, isolation from family and friends, saying “I love you” too soon, breaking/stealing treasured items, manipulation, and interrogation. All these are behaviors that Edward Cullen has exhibits. Bella and Edward spend all their time together. Bella is no longer interested in spending time with her human friends and indeed is willing to give up all contact with her human friends and family forever to be with Edward. Bella and Edward declare their love for each other on their first date after only being friends for less than a week. In New Moon Edward breaks into Bella’s house and steals her belongings. Edward has also threatened suicide because he cannot live without Bella, in Eclipse, and used becoming a vampire to manipulate Bella into agreeing to marry him, in addition to many other instances of manipulation. Finally, in Eclipse, he went beyond interrogating Bella about seeing Jacob, he stopped her by having his sister kidnap her and by vandalizing her truck to prevent her from seeing the other boy.
All this behavior is constructed as the epitome of romance.

Edwards’s behavior is justified in the series because he is doing what is best for Bella, and it fits the gender roles constructed in the novels. In the Twilight series, women assume the roles of children and men as their fathers who protect and serve as an authority figure. Indeed, some of the “ideal” relationships presented in the novel are literally like a father to a daughter. The relationship between the teenage Quil and the two year old Clair is wonderful because imprinting spawned love for her will make him “become whatever she needs [him] to be, whether that’s a protector, or a lover, or a friend, or a brother. Quil will be the best, kindest big brother any kid ever had…And then, when’s grown up, they’ll be…happy…He’ll be her perfect match.” (Meyer, Eclipse 176). It is assumed that Jacob’s relationship with the new born baby Renesme will be similar. A perfect match in Meyer’s world is someone who functioned as an older authority figure. This same dynamic applies to Edward and Bella, where Edward, who is an almost century older than Bella, in many ways functions like a father to her. He forces Bella to apply to certain colleges, controls what she does and who she sees for her own good, and desires to provide for her financially in the form of buying her expensive things and offering to pay for her college education. Both in the case of the main protagonists and in the “perfect match” created through imprinting, romance is presented in terms of a gender construction where the woman is childlike and the man is fatherly.

The Twilight series is considered by many fans the best love story ever told. Its love interests, Edward Cullen, and Jacob Black (who by the end of the series is in love—via imprinting— with a newborn baby) are the fictional dream boyfriends that many girls around the world wish they had. These young readers shape their desires, and expectations around the scenarios presented in the books. The result being, that these young women may unconsciously adopt the racist, classist, and sexist views that are enshrined in them. Many fans refuse to see any faults in Twilight or its male leads, and it is frightening to think what affect this will have on their future relationships.



I didnt write this someone posted it in a forum , and I thought it was spot on.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 4:40 pm


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I got the book for Christmas from my aunt, and it was at the back of my shelf for the longest time. Then I read all the books I had at school with me, so I picked it up.
I finished the book in a day, not only because it's a short read, but because I was really interested. Of course, because I didn't take my time, I missed out on all the tell-tale signs of a horrible book.
Kudos to Stephanie Meyer for influencing a generation that reading is cool and for creating a new sort of mythology. [I, for one, enjoyed the Native American mythology, but that it about all I enjoyed.] But Stephanie Meyer is but a housewife who doesn't seem to fathom the injustice that she's doing to the literary world and the vampire/supernatural mythologies.
I know a little girl who wants to get two piercings on her neck so that she could say that Edward bit her. stare Dear Lord.
And mind you, I have nothing against housewives. Most of the women in my family are happy homemakers. Maybe she isn't happy at home, so she has to create the "perfect romance" that she always dreamed of? IDK. But her world is ridiculous, and I wish it to stay out of my world.
OMG, and that movie! Dear Lord, I hated everything down to the camera angles. I'm a Literature major and a Film minor, so that series is just killing all I love in life! gonk



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If you like Native American mythology you should try the House of Night series! Its really good! It may be a Twilight knock off but it kicks butt. Actually a mom and daughter write them together. The mom will do a draft and send it to the daughter. She'll make the teenagers sound right and edit stuff out she doesnt like then they'll review it over together. Then they send it to they're publisher.
(I thought I'd add that because when I saw that the mom and kid wrote it I was wondering how that worked out....)

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 5:08 am


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I got the book for Christmas from my aunt, and it was at the back of my shelf for the longest time. Then I read all the books I had at school with me, so I picked it up.
I finished the book in a day, not only because it's a short read, but because I was really interested. Of course, because I didn't take my time, I missed out on all the tell-tale signs of a horrible book.
Kudos to Stephanie Meyer for influencing a generation that reading is cool and for creating a new sort of mythology. [I, for one, enjoyed the Native American mythology, but that it about all I enjoyed.] But Stephanie Meyer is but a housewife who doesn't seem to fathom the injustice that she's doing to the literary world and the vampire/supernatural mythologies.
I know a little girl who wants to get two piercings on her neck so that she could say that Edward bit her. stare Dear Lord.
And mind you, I have nothing against housewives. Most of the women in my family are happy homemakers. Maybe she isn't happy at home, so she has to create the "perfect romance" that she always dreamed of? IDK. But her world is ridiculous, and I wish it to stay out of my world.
OMG, and that movie! Dear Lord, I hated everything down to the camera angles. I'm a Literature major and a Film minor, so that series is just killing all I love in life! gonk



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If you like Native American mythology you should try the House of Night series! Its really good! It may be a Twilight knock off but it kicks butt. Actually a mom and daughter write them together. The mom will do a draft and send it to the daughter. She'll make the teenagers sound right and edit stuff out she doesnt like then they'll review it over together. Then they send it to they're publisher.
(I thought I'd add that because when I saw that the mom and kid wrote it I was wondering how that worked out....)

I have the first 2 to that series (still haven't finished the second one yet)... it is good...but there are some real cheesy moments.... (I.e. blondie moments) whee ...but once you get past that its good....the vampire academy series I hear is good as well.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 9:35 am


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I got the book for Christmas from my aunt, and it was at the back of my shelf for the longest time. Then I read all the books I had at school with me, so I picked it up.
I finished the book in a day, not only because it's a short read, but because I was really interested. Of course, because I didn't take my time, I missed out on all the tell-tale signs of a horrible book.
Kudos to Stephanie Meyer for influencing a generation that reading is cool and for creating a new sort of mythology. [I, for one, enjoyed the Native American mythology, but that it about all I enjoyed.] But Stephanie Meyer is but a housewife who doesn't seem to fathom the injustice that she's doing to the literary world and the vampire/supernatural mythologies.
I know a little girl who wants to get two piercings on her neck so that she could say that Edward bit her. stare Dear Lord.
And mind you, I have nothing against housewives. Most of the women in my family are happy homemakers. Maybe she isn't happy at home, so she has to create the "perfect romance" that she always dreamed of? IDK. But her world is ridiculous, and I wish it to stay out of my world.
OMG, and that movie! Dear Lord, I hated everything down to the camera angles. I'm a Literature major and a Film minor, so that series is just killing all I love in life! gonk



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If you like Native American mythology you should try the House of Night series! Its really good! It may be a Twilight knock off but it kicks butt. Actually a mom and daughter write them together. The mom will do a draft and send it to the daughter. She'll make the teenagers sound right and edit stuff out she doesnt like then they'll review it over together. Then they send it to they're publisher.
(I thought I'd add that because when I saw that the mom and kid wrote it I was wondering how that worked out....)

I have the first 2 to that series (still haven't finished the second one yet)... it is good...but there are some real cheesy moments.... (I.e. blondie moments) whee ...but once you get past that its good....the vampire academy series I hear is good as well.


Really you've read them? Huh. Well the new one's out in October I think......
On #3 book I was sitting there screaming

"WHAT THE HELL ZOEY???"

I thought she was so screwed I would never have gussed they'd whip the book back into shape.

They kinda pulled a Potter there in the 3-4th

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 9:39 am


They did a enterview with them and I was glued to the T.V.


Me:

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 12:33 pm


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They did a enterview with them and I was glued to the T.V.


Me:

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Who?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 7:54 am


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They did a enterview with them and I was glued to the T.V.


Me:

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Who?


Kirsten Cast and P.C. Cast
PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 8:52 pm


Oh how was it?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:49 pm


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Oh how was it?

Goo although I was because Zoey is based off of Kiresten...
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