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The Emoholic Vice Captain
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 Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 9:16 pm
Are there any atheists in this guild?
I'm one... sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 10:51 pm
I'm not but I'm sure one will apear so don't give up
hope in the religion section.
Also if you want to say something about another
religion just say so,
I really want people to understand one another.
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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 10:54 pm
Oh and I also want to know more about why
you believe in what you believe,
I'm not familiar with this religion,
I won't judge you trust me. C:
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 1:11 am
[sorry if I offend anyone in this but its my beliefs]
Warning!~ VERY long argument/explanation.
Ok, I'll try to explain the best I can.
First of all though, Atheism isn't a religion. It's basically...a belief system. But the only requirement of being an atheist is to not believe in a higher being. Unlike other religions where they try to tell you what to believe.
Which is the first reason why I, even if I did believe in a god, I wouldn't be religious. Because It seems like churches are always trying to tell you what to believe. You can't be lazy. You can't lie. You can't say "OH MY GOD". You can't do this. You can't do that. This is evil. That's evil. Just...no.
Now, why I don't believe in a higher being. There are multiple reasons.
It all started for a reason that I know isn't a good one. When my grandma died over 4 years ago, on April 4, 2005, I was there when she was found dead on the floor in her room. I saw her cold, lifeless face. I was only 9 years old. Nine. I was just...that was the beginning of the depression I still have remnants of. I began to ask "Why did god have to take her away? Why did he have to take away MY grandma? Why did I have to be there, see her dead face?" Over the years, people have given me various explanations, such as "It was her time to go. God wanted her to join him in a better place." My response: "What about me and my emotions? What about my mom. And dad. And grandpa. And aunts. And uncles. And cousins. And all the many people in the world that loved her? Is his want for her to be with him greater than all of ours?" If so, then he really is not omnibenevolent.
People die all the time. Did you know that? Actually, about 150,000-300,000 people die. Every. Single. Day. I wonder how many deserved that? What did that two year old do to deserve to die? I bet he hasn't sinned much, if at all. Now, yes, dying is part of human nature. But let me take you back a few years. Back to 2004. The Tsunami of 2004, in the Indian Ocean, to be exact. Do you know how many people died from that Earthquake/Tsunami? Over 230,000 people around the world. That's just from the earthquake. Then there were probably another 150,000 people who died like every other day. That's at LEAST 380,000 people who died that ONE day! I highly doubt that EVERY single one of THOSE people deserved to die. Doesn't God have control over the weather and this sort of thing? If so, he is not exactly what I would call "holy". If he doesn't, then he is not omnipotent.
If there was a God, then why does he allow for me not to believe in him? He is supposedly omnipotent, right? Then he would have the power to change my beliefs. Did you know less than 30% of the world are Christians? That means about only 1.637 billion - 1.923 billion of the 6.671 billion people in the world believe in the Christian God. Only 1.525 billion - 1.559 billion believe in the Islamic Allah. Only 489 million - 1.512 billion believe in/follow the teachings of Buddha. If one of these religions were correct, wouldn't there be a higher proportion of the world believing in him?
Another interesting fact: It is statistically proven that the higher level of education you have, the less likely you are to believe in a higher being. In fact, 92% of all scientists do not believe in a higher being.
Here's a link to a list of some arguments against the existence of God.
Though, I will admit, I am curious as to why so many humans feel the need to have belief in a higher being. My theory is that when humans cannot explain something, they cannot accept ignorance, and instead play ignorance and apathy on God.
Therefore, I choose to live a secular life, and if it ends up that there IS a God, I will accept the consequences of my disbelief. If, however, I am correct, then I will be glad to have chosen to live a life not believing in a false being.
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The Emoholic Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:45 am
well,you could just believe that there is a god and dont be religious like what i do.
as for your question that why would god let you dont believe in him,the christians would answer you this
"If god made people that doesnt have emotions,understanding,the ability to judge and would do anything he wants us to do,then we would just be puppets. God is also the reason that right now, millions of people die every minute, why God allow people to kill each other.It was because it's God's Will.".
The Catholics would also reply the same,Buddhist would tell you thats it's only a step to attain enlightment.
most scientist believes mankind came for evolution so it cant be helped,
Religious Leaders believe that when a person die,it's soul will wander/go to a beautiful place/return to god/be reincarnated/go to a place called The Purgatory where you would be judged from your previous actions,
but,of course,all of these are just their beliefs,no solid evidences nor any real witnesses since religions started even before our grandfathers were born.
Many people believes in god to make them feel safe,you could call it cowardly but it's the truth.
The others dedicated their life to be religious because of strong belief.
well,in the end,it's up to you to decide what you are going to do with your life. sweatdrop
(I just said these because i've thought about those things earlier than you did.)
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:02 pm
Tl;dr.
Remre, go get some theology lessons at your local Sunday School. Your neo-christian-allfaith-almondjoy words makes me kind of sick.
AND IT IS NOT GOD'S WILL FOR US TO FREAKIN' DIE. stressed
I hate how so many people say this, They just assume.
Humans constantly blame things that happen and justify reasons to do things based on God, It's like the Spanish Inquisition all over again.
"OH HECKZORS, THEY NO BELIEVEZ."
"OH HECKZORS U IS RAITO."
"OH HECKZORS WE BETTER GOEZ PERSECUTE THEMZ."
"WAIT. SOMETHING NOT RAITO."
"WHUT IZ?"
"IZ NOT RAITO TO KILLZ, BIBLE SEZ SO."
"PEOPLEZ DUNNO THATZ."
"U IZ RAITO! FOR IZ GOD!!1!oneoneone!"
"YEZ!"
"TIZ THE WILLZ OF GOD FOR UZ TO KILLZ THEM ALLZ!1!!"
And have you ever considered that maybe people believed in God simply because they truly do love him?
Yit, you need to make your explanations shorter. Teeny red text makes it hard on my eyes.
>___>
It's not uncommon for people to die. Of course it's sad, and yeah you're going to grieve, since it was at a young age it's definitely scarring. So that's affected the way you live now.
But you know, everyone will die. One day, sooner or later, that's like the Gold Drop of Life.
And dying is most definitely not part of human nature.
It is not human nature to want to die, Maybe to escape dangerous situations, but not to die. Death is a part of life itself.
Humans desire more than anything to live.
About the (God/Allowing you not to believe thing)
Would you want a lover to be forced to love you?
You'd want that lover to come to you out of love and not out of fear.
God is controlled.
By his words. He holds his words above himself. That's why he cannot change the minds of people or control them, because he gave them free will. And he can't just change that, he has a large amount of power and knows that abusing it rashly is wrong, he can make a whole continent of brainless lovelove zombies but none of them will love him truly.
That's why one person who truly does love him has more worth than a whole world of brainless lovelove zombies.
In the end, christians are at fault. For being lazy and biased when we're supposed to be understanding, loving and sexy beasts. And persistent.
Yes.
Persistent Sexy Beasts.
Man.
I need to shorten my long explanations. eek
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The Emoholic Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 5:04 pm
Crystal, (no, I'm not going to call you by your username since this is an intellectual discussion...tehehe big word. *ahem*) I have to type a lot to get my point across.
I know it's not uncommon for people to die. I believe I stated that my first reason WAS a stupid reason. Really, the reason isn't so much of a reason as to why I don't believe in god, but why I began to question his existence.
What you've said is untrue though. It is part of the nature of many people to want to die. There are countless people out there who want to die. Healthy, happy humans may want to live, but they don't think about it as much as those who want to die, for obvious reasons. And if death is a part of life itself, and humans desire life, then doesn't that entail that humans want death as well? No. Humans desire long life, normally. Many people who are old and feel they have lived long, healthy lives greet and embrace death with warm, open arms.
I suppose I can accept your response to my "god allowing my disbelief" argument.
Let me ask you this though: If God is omnipotent (all-powerful) and omnipresent (all-being) and omniscient (all-seeing), can he create something more powerful than him? Can he create something more holy than him? Can he create something that is there more than him? Can he create something that sees more than him? If the answer is yes, he is not the true "highest being". If he cannot, he is not omnipotent. Therein lies the paradox of the Christian God.
I feel that Christianity's teachings are far too flawed. There are many stories in the bible that are simply false or sickening.
For example, the story of Adam and Eve. If they truly were the first two humans, and the universal human ancestors, then they means that either they or their children had to have a lot of incest. I'm sorry but it is the only logical truth. However, I believe in evolution, as do most people.
Another is that of...I don't remember what it's called. It's the one with the locusts and the sea turning red. Scientists have actually proven natural reasons why those things could've happened.
Also, once again I don't remember the specifics, but there was a story in the Bible where a burning bush told a guy something, which Christians follow today. The ten commandments I believe? Anyways, isn't fire generally associated with destruction and evil? So, wouldn't that lead one to believe that the voice coming from the bush was that of satan?
I just want to say that if I were to believe in a God, I still wouldn't believe in the Christian one. Christianity, especially Catholicism (which is a denomination of Christianity), says many things which I just don't believe in. If I were to believe in a god, or a higher being, I'd probably believe in Buddha.
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:24 pm
Intellectual?
It's a gaggle of children arguing about who's religion is better because they want to justify what they believe in.
I stated before, It is not human nature to want to die.
No one is born wanting to die.
People may want to escape something and death may seem a pleasing option, but if all circumstances were well with their life, they wouldn't want to die.
If it was indeed human nature to die, We wouldn't struggle when we drown.
It is human nature to survive.
Nothing can make something more greater than them, the power would have to come from a different source of energy greater than him.
And since his power is boundless, he cannot make anything that exceeds him because whatever he made, it'd also have limitless power.
Hence Jesus.
It'd be like the end of numbers, there isn't one.
Cain found his wife east of Eden, the name was not mentioned but it does mean that God probably made other people besides their little motley group.
The English version of the Bible lost a lot of meaning in the translation.
:/
The Hebraic version is much more in-depth.
And the story of Moses is the one you're talking of.
Scientists... They refuse to believe that a supernatural force did things like that so they find another alternative.
Once again, Moses.
Fire is an element, it is neither good nor evil. It can be used for good and used for evil though.
And in Christianity, Fire is seperated into two categories, Holy and Demonic.
Holy fire would be considered a blessing of tongues and stuff.
Demonic would be the razing of the flesh and continuous suffering.
I'm not going tell you what you should believe in, that's not my place. But I hope I have clarified some stuff.
Seriously, It sounds like you've been listening to some really twisted scripture.
D:
Perversion of the Word is considered a weapon of Lucifer. (In christianity that is.)
It's just something I would like to clear up.
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The Emoholic Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:41 pm
Ok, I'll try to keep this one short.
OK. Human Instinct is probably a better term for that then.
"Nothing can make something more greater than them,"
^ Untrue. Example: Humans. We can make many things greater than us. We just are smart enough not to.
Oh, I have a question. If Jesus has limitless power, then how can he die?
If this is true, then why is this woman and her "crew" not mentioned in the bible? It should be assumed that she or her parents were created around the same time (within 50 years) as Adam and Eve. Are they not important?
Well...sucks for us.
@Moses: Hmm. I see. But if it was a burning bush, then it is destroying one of "God's creations". Wouldn't that be Demonic? Plants are living beings too, so its leaves would be it's "flesh". So...the fire WOULD be razing flesh and causing suffering to the plant.
And I'm not trying to change your beliefs. I wouldn't have posted any of this if Brittanie had not asked me to explain my beliefs. But she did so I am.
My mom is Catholic and I was raised to be a Catholic. 'Nuff said.
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:58 pm
The Emoholic Ok, I'll try to keep this one short.
OK. Human Instinct is probably a better term for that then.
"Nothing can make something more greater than them,"
^ Untrue. Example: Humans. We can make many things greater than us. We just are smart enough not to.
Oh, I have a question. If Jesus has limitless power, then how can he die?
If this is true, then why is this woman and her "crew" not mentioned in the bible? It should be assumed that she or her parents were created around the same time (within 50 years) as Adam and Eve. Are they not important?
Well...sucks for us.
@Moses: Hmm. I see. But if it was a burning bush, then it is destroying one of "God's creations". Wouldn't that be Demonic? Plants are living beings too, so its leaves would be it's "flesh". So...the fire WOULD be razing flesh and causing suffering to the plant.
And I'm not trying to change your beliefs. I wouldn't have posted any of this if Brittanie had not asked me to explain my beliefs. But she did so I am.
My mom is Catholic and I was raised to be a Catholic. 'Nuff said. Either way, Nature which is the personality of a human does not desire to die. I'm not shaking on this. Humans will grieve and will be happy, but for the most part they won't want to die. And it's definitely true, Humans can make things that can destroy them, but it will always lack in some area, and if we truly could make something greater than us, Wouldn't we have some geniuses walking around helping us make the world better with their super minds? And wouldn't we be able to make it so world hunger no longer exists? If we are refusing to make things like that than we are the most retardic people ever. He was born on earth in a human body, he suffered hunger, he suffered sickness, he did everything that other people did and he had to live through and among sinners. Okay, about the dying part, this will be long. One day, Satan rebelled and took over the earth because he was vain-glorious and thought himself better. He was cast down to the earth with a third of the angels. And he made Hell. Because he was jealous of the humans who had a chance to go to Heaven. And so he took the form of a snake and tempted Eve who looked at the snake and saw only a beautiful creature and not an evil entity wanting to trick her. And then . . . Humans sin and sin and sin and sacrificed animals and animals and animals. Next . . . "For God so loved the world" And so he gave his son to Satan to be sacrificed for the sins of the world. And so Jesus spent three days in Hell. Burning and stuff. Even though he was pure, a pure soul burning in Hell. Satan thought he won. But he was you know, God's son and stuff so he rose again to ascend to Heaven after saying his goodbyes. When that happened he gained the keys to life and death. Satan got pissed off because no one told him about the rising and knew that he JUST LOST THE GAME. No one knows around when they were created, Cities were built around that time. And think about it, If they put down the stories of Ever Jack and Jill ever created on earth, the Bible would be way too full. At that moment, only those five people in particular were of importance. Also, it wasn't destroying his Creation, It was the vessel that embodied the fire of God. In fact, the reason WHY it was such a spectacle was because the bush although having fire on it was not burning. The holy fire is considered a healing sensation. I never said you were trying to change my beliefs, I just said it wasn't my place to tell you what to do. LOL BRITTANIE. And you know, I probably wouldn't have commented on what you said if not for the fact that since you were my friend, I wanted to help answer some of your questions and just clarify even a little bit on the subject. My mom is the Megaman of the Christian world. D:
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Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 7:10 am
Phookington Tl;dr.Remre, go get some theology lessons at your local Sunday School. Your neo-christian-allfaith-almondjoy words makes me kind of sick. AND IT IS NOT GOD'S WILL FOR US TO FREAKIN' DIE. stressed I hate how so many people say this, They just assume. Humans constantly blame things that happen and justify reasons to do things based on God, It's like the Spanish Inquisition all over again. "OH HECKZORS, THEY NO BELIEVEZ." "OH HECKZORS U IS RAITO." "OH HECKZORS WE BETTER GOEZ PERSECUTE THEMZ." "WAIT. SOMETHING NOT RAITO." "WHUT IZ?" "IZ NOT RAITO TO KILLZ, BIBLE SEZ SO." "PEOPLEZ DUNNO THATZ." "U IZ RAITO! FOR IZ GOD!!1!oneoneone!" "YEZ!" "TIZ THE WILLZ OF GOD FOR UZ TO KILLZ THEM ALLZ!1!!" And have you ever considered that maybe people believed in God simply because they truly do love him? Yit, you need to make your explanations shorter. Teeny red text makes it hard on my eyes. >___> It's not uncommon for people to die. Of course it's sad, and yeah you're going to grieve, since it was at a young age it's definitely scarring. So that's affected the way you live now. But you know, everyone will die. One day, sooner or later, that's like the Gold Drop of Life. And dying is most definitely not part of human nature. It is not human nature to want to die, Maybe to escape dangerous situations, but not to die. Death is a part of life itself. Humans desire more than anything to live. About the (God/Allowing you not to believe thing) Would you want a lover to be forced to love you? You'd want that lover to come to you out of love and not out of fear. God is controlled. By his words. He holds his words above himself. That's why he cannot change the minds of people or control them, because he gave them free will. And he can't just change that, he has a large amount of power and knows that abusing it rashly is wrong, he can make a whole continent of brainless lovelove zombies but none of them will love him truly. That's why one person who truly does love him has more worth than a whole world of brainless lovelove zombies. In the end, christians are at fault. For being lazy and biased when we're supposed to be understanding, loving and sexy beasts. And persistent. Yes. Persistent Sexy Beasts. Man. I need to shorten my long explanations. eek yup,it's too long it looks more like an article xp nah,for starters,i dont attend any sunday schools(nor did i dedicate myself to be loyal to become a christian,i go to different churches to observe what they believes in since i dont want to join any of their mess.(sunday schools are only teaching bible characters so i dont attend. stare ). well,i guess some of what you're saying is agreeable. everyone dies,and no one can avoid it. but did you know that almost billions of the people in the world desires to die,no need for an explanation since it's a fact. here's a pop quiz for you. xd do you believe that when someone die,their consiousness will just turn black and begins to fade? I kinda agree that christians are lazy but they arent the only ones to be blamed.It's really because of the dudes at ancient time who created those religions,because after they die,us,the next generation of them have to help improving our religion. and i dont want to be classified as a monkey like on charles darwin's theory of man's evolution. crying
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Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 3:55 pm
Remre Phookington Tl;dr.Remre, go get some theology lessons at your local Sunday School. Your neo-christian-allfaith-almondjoy words makes me kind of sick. AND IT IS NOT GOD'S WILL FOR US TO FREAKIN' DIE. stressed I hate how so many people say this, They just assume. Humans constantly blame things that happen and justify reasons to do things based on God, It's like the Spanish Inquisition all over again. "OH HECKZORS, THEY NO BELIEVEZ." "OH HECKZORS U IS RAITO." "OH HECKZORS WE BETTER GOEZ PERSECUTE THEMZ." "WAIT. SOMETHING NOT RAITO." "WHUT IZ?" "IZ NOT RAITO TO KILLZ, BIBLE SEZ SO." "PEOPLEZ DUNNO THATZ." "U IZ RAITO! FOR IZ GOD!!1!oneoneone!" "YEZ!" "TIZ THE WILLZ OF GOD FOR UZ TO KILLZ THEM ALLZ!1!!" And have you ever considered that maybe people believed in God simply because they truly do love him? Yit, you need to make your explanations shorter. Teeny red text makes it hard on my eyes. >___> It's not uncommon for people to die. Of course it's sad, and yeah you're going to grieve, since it was at a young age it's definitely scarring. So that's affected the way you live now. But you know, everyone will die. One day, sooner or later, that's like the Gold Drop of Life. And dying is most definitely not part of human nature. It is not human nature to want to die, Maybe to escape dangerous situations, but not to die. Death is a part of life itself. Humans desire more than anything to live. About the (God/Allowing you not to believe thing) Would you want a lover to be forced to love you? You'd want that lover to come to you out of love and not out of fear. God is controlled. By his words. He holds his words above himself. That's why he cannot change the minds of people or control them, because he gave them free will. And he can't just change that, he has a large amount of power and knows that abusing it rashly is wrong, he can make a whole continent of brainless lovelove zombies but none of them will love him truly. That's why one person who truly does love him has more worth than a whole world of brainless lovelove zombies. In the end, christians are at fault. For being lazy and biased when we're supposed to be understanding, loving and sexy beasts. And persistent. Yes. Persistent Sexy Beasts. Man. I need to shorten my long explanations. eek yup,it's too long it looks more like an article xp nah,for starters,i dont attend any sunday schools(nor did i dedicate myself to be loyal to become a christian,i go to different churches to observe what they believes in since i dont want to join any of their mess.(sunday schools are only teaching bible characters so i dont attend. stare ). well,i guess some of what you're saying is agreeable. everyone dies,and no one can avoid it. but did you know that almost billions of the people in the world desires to die,no need for an explanation since it's a fact. here's a pop quiz for you. xd do you believe that when someone die,their consiousness will just turn black and begins to fade? I kinda agree that christians are lazy but they arent the only ones to be blamed.It's really because of the dudes at ancient time who created those religions,because after they die,us,the next generation of them have to help improving our religion. and i dont want to be classified as a monkey like on charles darwin's theory of man's evolution. crying There are so many corrupted churches out there. I wouldn't be surprised if you attended a few of them. I did. They were retardic. It is not a fact. I can't even begin to .... geh. I don't even want to explain this anymore. No. But I do imagine it's going to be weird. And also, it's not the ancients, the old christians would go ahead and get fried in boiling oil and get gored to death just for their beliefs. Nowadays, a gun to the head and we're all Hindus. If anything, we have warped and twisted the christian religion. And actually, there's a surprising amount of scientists who believe Darwin's theory of evolution is false, considering there is insufficient evidence and that some of the bodies on the chart were based off of: Austrailian Aborigines An old man with Arthritis And a pig's tooth. I forgot the rest... sweatdrop But still, you should have no worries about being compared to a monkey.
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The Emoholic Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 7:15 pm
Remre, no offense, but you sound very arrogant.
You speak as though what you say is "god's word" or always correct.
"did you know that almost billions of the people in the world desires to die,no need for an explanation since it's a fact. "
Um...wut? You need to clean up your grammar, because that really doesn't make sense. And evidence that its a fact? Has there been a conclusive, unbiased survey? No.
@Crystal: "If anything, we have warped and twisted the christian religion. " Yeah...pretty much. neutral
"And actually, there's a surprising amount of scientists who believe Darwin's theory of evolution is false, considering there is insufficient evidence and that some of the bodies on the chart were based off of: "
Surprising amount =/= sufficient or significant amount.
From wikipedia (with cited source):Quote: Nowadays, the fact that organisms evolve is uncontested in the scientific literature and the modern evolutionary synthesis is widely accepted by scientists.
So...you're kinda wrong. neutral
Look at a monkey.
Now look at a gorilla.
Now look at a chimpanzee.
Now look at a human.
Now look at a mouse.
Now look at a gibbon.
Now look at an orangutan.
One of these simply has very few similarities to the others. Which one is it?
It is clear that the ones that do belong must be related, assuming you agree that rats and mice are most likely related, or that squirrels and chipmunks are related. And clearly they are.
It seems clear, to me, that humans evolved from one of these.
(how did we get talking about evolution?)
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 3:33 pm
The Emoholic Remre, no offense, but you sound very arrogant.
You speak as though what you say is "god's word" or always correct.
"did you know that almost billions of the people in the world desires to die,no need for an explanation since it's a fact. "
Um...wut? You need to clean up your grammar, because that really doesn't make sense. And evidence that its a fact? Has there been a conclusive, unbiased survey? No.
@Crystal: "If anything, we have warped and twisted the christian religion. " Yeah...pretty much. neutral
"And actually, there's a surprising amount of scientists who believe Darwin's theory of evolution is false, considering there is insufficient evidence and that some of the bodies on the chart were based off of: "
Surprising amount =/= sufficient or significant amount.
From wikipedia (with cited source):Quote: Nowadays, the fact that organisms evolve is uncontested in the scientific literature and the modern evolutionary synthesis is widely accepted by scientists.
So...you're kinda wrong. neutral
Look at a monkey.
Now look at a gorilla.
Now look at a chimpanzee.
Now look at a human.
Now look at a mouse.
Now look at a gibbon.
Now look at an orangutan.
One of these simply has very few similarities to the others. Which one is it?
It is clear that the ones that do belong must be related, assuming you agree that rats and mice are most likely related, or that squirrels and chipmunks are related. And clearly they are.
It seems clear, to me, that humans evolved from one of these.
(how did we get talking about evolution?) She does. >___> And yeah, that's why stuff like all the above happen where people take false things they've heard about and just assume that it is exactly what God wants. When really, no. -------- If we had come from them... 1. We'd have found the missing link by now. There'd definitely be some skeletons lying around. 2. There'd be skeletons upon skeletons of said missing link. 3. Monkeys wouldn't be around. (Wooly mammoths and Megalodons sure aren't. ) 4. Platypus. Whales. Whales = Mammals. Mammals = Air. When did Whales leave the ground to go to the water? And where are the remains of said Land-Whales? Because I'm sure they didn't develop lungs underwater. That's common sense. Platypus = ???
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