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Pray for Us: The Diference Between Veneration and Worship

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 1:03 pm


Define:
ven⋅er⋅ate
Pronunciation [ven-uh-reyt]
verb
to regard or treat with reverence; revere.



wor⋅ship
Pronunciation [wur-ship]
verb
to render religious reverence and homage, as to a deity.


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The above two words are very similar, even to their definitions. However, their main difference is how they apply to figures in religion, especially that of the Catholic church. As a Catholic Christian, I have learned the difference between the two, and to whom each practice applies. However, I know that not everybody knows the difference, even those who are Catholic themselves. Thus, this thread was born.

In the Catholic Church, their is a presence of not only our Trinitarian God, but also that of the Holy Mother, Mary, and the Saints. And without being educated on the subject, the additional presences can be confused as idol worship. This confusion is not young. Icons, those 2D paintings of Jesus, Mary, or various and sundry saints caused this HUGE mess somewhere around the 1000s which caused the Schism between the Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Churches (You know, the Orthodx ones? Byzantine and Russian). And we've all heard this and that's about the praying of the Rosary.

So with a Christian good will, for those who are interested, let us talk on the difference between veneration and worship.
PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 1:17 pm


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C. Please have your Questions be at least vaguely pertinent to the topic. If you have a question that does not apply to this topic, I suggest conducting your own research or posting your own thread. I know basic apologetics, but I am not a definite authority on all things religious.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 1:36 pm


Basics on Veneration
(Meaning this is off the top of my head, and that I will later modify so that it isn't just me rambling.)

Veneration is what applies to about every holy figure in the Catholic church. From God himself, to Mary, the Saints, and the pope, it is a respect that is not absolute worship.

There are some Fancy Greek or Latin words that will likely "replace" veneration and worship, because I'm not certain they are the best choice in English words.

Back to the topic, Saying something like "St. Jude, Pray for my sister. She was just in a really, really bad accident and the doctors think she's going to die." in a prayer is NOT praying to Saint Jude, the patron saint of lost causes. It is asking St. Jude for his prayers as well. Both you and St. Jude are praying to God for your sister's well being.

Think of it like this. There's a prayer thread in the guild forum, correct? Asking another living person to pray for you is the same principle of asking for a saint's intersession. By asking somebody else to pray for your cause, you are not praying to that person, but both of you are praying to God, in hopes that the prayer will be answered, a multiplication of your Prayer. We believe the soul is what is eternal, correct? So if the soul is eternal, it's the soul that prays, in my opinion. So you can call upon souls of people who are dead because their soul is still alive.
PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 1:43 pm


Basics on Worship
(See above note)

True worship is for God alone. One of my favorite similes to use is the comparison of something to a square.

Squares are super amazing because they are special. They are both a rectangle and a rhombus. But not all rectangles are squares, and not all rhombuses are squares. It's why the square is special.

God is the square.

You can venerate God, but you cannot worship Mary or the saints or the pope without committing idolatry.

Simple, yes?


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