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 Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 8:00 pm
I expect this to turn into a full-fledged debate... But I'm just giving it a push by putting it on the front page. razz
What are your opinions on abortion? Why? Why do you beleive it's okay, right, or wrong?
Personally, I beleive Abortion is wrong and murder. If you are taking pregnancy pills after having sex, right after having sex, I see no problem with it. Though when the baby begins to develop and grow, even after a few weeks, I think it's wrong. A human is a human, no matter what, and I value human life, people, a lot.
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:06 pm
I agree with you on this mazuac.
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Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 6:24 am
I believe abortion should be legal... because we are facing real world and not a perfect ideal world where unwanted pregnancy never happens and all kids are wanted and taken care of well.
There will always be women who are desperate and seek to get out of the pregnancy, for various reasons - they are too young, they were raped, they can not handle it physically or psychically. Some are desperate enough to resort to amateur methods of getting out of the pregnancy if they can't get a professional abortion and then the results can be even more tragic.
I am no longer against abortion because I have sympathy for women in such situations. If someone is forced to go through an unwanted pregnancy with no way out [no matter how they got into the pregnancy] that's more cruel than destroying the fetus in my opinion. The woman is already in the world, with her personality, thinking, feeling, hopes and plans, unlike the fetus that isn't even aware of its existance.
When it comes to such situations I think we Christians should try to have the insight and empathy and see the whole picture of every individual situation instead of judging harshly. For most women it's not an easy choice, but sometimes all options are bad and abortion is the least bad one.
Now I've been considering the woman's position, but also in regards of the potential child I don't think it's right to bring to the world a child I do not intend to take care of. This option is surely much more traumatizing for the mother than aborting already in the beginning, and for the child being put into a children's home isn't a very good fate. There are too few people who are willing to adopt and take care for unwanted kids... and too many kids who have to stay in a children's home till they are adult and then are kicked out on the street. The laws don't make it easier either, for example I don't know how it is in the US but here if a couple wants to adopt a child they have to go to hell lots of bureaucracy, and only couples can adopt, not single people - I don't find this right, what if someone never finds a good partner but still wants to raise a child? A single person is capable of raising a child well too. But I'm drifting off topic already.
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Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 5:34 pm
mazuac I expect this to turn into a full-fledged debate... But I'm just giving it a push by putting it on the front page. razz
What are your opinions on abortion? Why? Why do you beleive it's okay, right, or wrong?
Personally, I beleive Abortion is wrong and murder. If you are taking pregnancy pills after having sex, right after having sex, I see no problem with it. Though when the baby begins to develop and grow, even after a few weeks, I think it's wrong. A human is a human, no matter what, and I value human life, people, a lot. But the point, Mazuac, the argument is about at which point a fetus counts as human life.
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Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 7:44 pm
Galad Damodred mazuac I expect this to turn into a full-fledged debate... But I'm just giving it a push by putting it on the front page. razz
What are your opinions on abortion? Why? Why do you beleive it's okay, right, or wrong?
Personally, I beleive Abortion is wrong and murder. If you are taking pregnancy pills after having sex, right after having sex, I see no problem with it. Though when the baby begins to develop and grow, even after a few weeks, I think it's wrong. A human is a human, no matter what, and I value human life, people, a lot. But the point, Mazuac, the argument is about at which point a fetus counts as human life. Yes, quite. That is something I think causes the most strife among people~
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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:03 am
Galad Damodred mazuac I expect this to turn into a full-fledged debate... But I'm just giving it a push by putting it on the front page. razz
What are your opinions on abortion? Why? Why do you beleive it's okay, right, or wrong?
Personally, I beleive Abortion is wrong and murder. If you are taking pregnancy pills after having sex, right after having sex, I see no problem with it. Though when the baby begins to develop and grow, even after a few weeks, I think it's wrong. A human is a human, no matter what, and I value human life, people, a lot. But the point, Mazuac, the argument is about at which point a fetus counts as human life. Regardless of whether it counts as human life, there's still the aspect of the mother's bodily domain. The fetus clearly is biologically human - what else would it be? and it is alive; yet I believe in the mother's right to remove it from her body if she doesn't want it there.
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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:00 am
i believe that is is still a life, and if it was solely the mother's body? Why does she not want that piece of her body. It seems like a paradox. It is a child beginning. Like a egg is a chicken in its earliest state.
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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:41 am
I believe abortion is wrong. The Bible says "though shalt not murder". Murder is the death of something alive, human. When the baby is in the mother's womb, it is DEFINITELY alive. It grows, it kicks, it hears. When my aunt was pregnant, my uncle would blow on his wifes tummy making a motor boat sound..when he did this, the baby would jolt to the other side of my aunts tummy. The baby IS alive in the womb. The baby is a person. Abortion is murder. Murder is against the commandments. Is it not?
~LBR~ heart
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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 5:54 am
Eh I admit I'm not very educated in the area of fetus development, but what you're describing about it being able to perceive sounds etc. applies to fetuses already older than what the legal limit for abortions is. Also within the limit for abortions, the brain is yet so poorly developed that we definitely can't talk about a person yet, cause personhood is also related to being sentient and self aware - something that such young fetuses don't have yet.
Also you pro life people always bring up these theoretical ideals but you seem to neglect that life brings various complicated situations that cannot be solved by simply saying: "Don't have an abortion! It's MURDER!!" and then leaving the mother to her fate. You should think about what I wrote in the first post. Real life is different than ideals.
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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:49 am
I'm a pro-choicer. Its a woman's right to choose and its true that today is not always the best time to be bringing a new life into the world if the mother cannot or will not take care of it. There are too many already out on the streets or in foster homes and get thrown through the system until they are 18 and can no longer be adopted and little to no people will adopt a child older than 6 or 7 anymore.
Now what gets me the most on these arguments is the uber extremists and the extremists who do the whole dead baby pictures and such and then proceed to go on in grisly detail what an abortion is, the procedures, and even videos. That is what gets my dander up anymore on this argument because they seem to know an awful lot on the worst ways to carry out an abortion. My question for them is usually "Have YOU been there and witnessed these so called methods? Or do you just go on other pro-lifer propaganda and grisly YouTube and Yahoo videos that were more than likely faked by said extremists to get more to their cause?"
You guys get what I'm saying?
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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:24 am
No. I do not understand what you are saying.
And I would like to add like is a challenging. For instance a girl is raped and gets pregnant. what is she to do? Should she have the abortion or have the baby? In ths case I say people should try praying, and not hop to getting an abortion. I think about things this way. What if you were the child that was to be born would you like for your mother to abort you? >.>
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 7:35 am
What?? Do you honestly believe it's right to force someone to go through pregnancy and giving birth after the horrors she has already encountered due to rape? You think abortion is cruel, but forcing anyone to pregnancy [no matter how it was concieved, but in case of rape it's even worse of course] is much more cruel because the woman, unlike the fetus, already has her personality, thoughts, feeling, social life... I had already said this before.
And your last sentence doesn't make sense because if I had been an aborted fetus I couldn't be aware either of my existence [before being aborted] nor of my death and there would be nothing to regret for me.
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 7:38 am
SknO No. I do not understand what you are saying.
And I would like to add like is a challenging. For instance a girl is raped and gets pregnant. what is she to do? Should she have the abortion or have the baby? In ths case I say people should try praying, and not hop to getting an abortion. I think about things this way. What if you were the child that was to be born would you like for your mother to abort you? >.> Actually I would've liked my mother to abort me. biggrin The problem with humanity is that we see death as evil and vile, when in reality, it isn't so. Death is an escape. Think of it this way, every life is sacred right, then why is it okay to euthanize our prisoners or even our loved ones. Shouldn't they be allowed to live under any circumstances? What about the tons of thousands of bacteria that lives on your hands? Aren't you violating their right to live by washing your hands?
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Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 12:25 am
Laid_black_rose I believe abortion is wrong. The Bible says "though shalt not murder". Murder is the death of something alive, human. When the baby is in the mother's womb, it is DEFINITELY alive. It grows, it kicks, it hears. When my aunt was pregnant, my uncle would blow on his wifes tummy making a motor boat sound..when he did this, the baby would jolt to the other side of my aunts tummy. The baby IS alive in the womb. The baby is a person. Abortion is murder. Murder is against the commandments. Is it not? ~LBR~ heart Yet we do it all the time and have things like death sentences and go and fight in wars. I doubt anyone every cared about that commandment and that the sanctity of life is just a lip service to the morals of humans in general. Don't bring up that commandment. Its one of the worst arguments or issues to pull up in this.
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Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 12:30 am
SknO No. I do not understand what you are saying.
And I would like to add like is a challenging. For instance a girl is raped and gets pregnant. what is she to do? Should she have the abortion or have the baby? In ths case I say people should try praying, and not hop to getting an abortion. I think about things this way. What if you were the child that was to be born would you like for your mother to abort you? >.> I am sorry but, since when will praying to your God help in this situation? I see this one brought up by Christians often, the rape based pregnancies, and praying, and wonder if ANY of them had to go through it and i doubt they have. Now, again to say, prior to birth i had no clue of my existence in this life so being aborted would not have any impact on me whatsoever because the lack of awareness, the lack of true consciousness. Trying to justify being against it because of that awareness is not going to really help. You were not aware of your existence prior to being birthed so don't expect others to be either. If my mother aborted me I wouldn't have known and not cared. There would be another chance at life at some point. Its not like the life being ended as its developing is the ONLY life that the soul would have. As for praying to God, he is a last ditch when the mother cannot get into a clinic in the legal time period for abortion. Prayer is always the last resort of the desperate.
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