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RainbowColoredKitty
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:58 pm


DEBATE!!
(only for Kassie, Paige, Jen, and Andrew)
PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:28 pm


"The law will never make men free;it is men who have got have got to make the law free. They are the lovers of law and order, who observe the law when the government breaks it."


"Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears;" as quoted by Marc Antony. As you can see from the quote above, the opening statement, Thoreau has said that laws can not make you a free person, only you can, so you must work for what you want, meaning the changing of laws. In the American Revolution, which lasted from 1775 to 1783, where many lives of valuable fathers, sons, brothers, uncles, friends, and lovers were lost, we Americans were fighting to gain our freedom and independce from our mother country, Great Britain. It was then that we decided that we were tired, exhausted, and fed up with the idea of taking and accepting orders from Britain and wrote the Declaration of Independence, with in it saying "in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved." This statement declared, or prcloaimed, if you prefer, that the people would no longer be following Britain's laws but becoming their own country, with their own constitution and own set of laws. By not following the law, set by Great Britian, we, the United States of America, who today has become a great country of freedom and independence, And shall forever remain independent thorough out the future of time, thanks to her posterity, have gained our freedom, because we fought for it, as proved by the American Revolution.

Princess Madoushi


butterflyangel2

PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 2:16 pm


As pointed out by my opponent we, as the United States are a "great country of freedom" freedom of speech, when people want to talk and speak their mind and ideas to the government people, no they put them down and they are shoved away. Laws can not make you a free person, they do the complete oppisite they put you in jail for many years if not life. As in the case of John Mucher, he was convicted of six counts of rape, one count of gross sexual imposition, two counts of illegal use of a minor in nudity-oriented material, and 30 counts of pandering sexually oriented material involving a minor, these all are against the law and so he was sentenced to life in prison. In this case the law did not make him a free person the law put him in jail for the rest of his so called life. He will never get the pleasure of seeing his family, or having good non jail food ever again. And my opponent says this is freeing. That only a person can make themselves free. Now i say the law does not alow this, the law makes us trapped in all the rules of our government. And i ask you does the law keep you personally trapped in a padded room away or are you free to do what ever you want whenever you want to do it?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:36 pm


John Mucher never was or will be a free man. The law never gave him freedom. When he was taken in by the police he had already trapped himself with his cravings for women, loosing sight of what was truly important to him. he had lost all hope for freedom the minute he began molesting. Only a you can make yourself a free person. The law cant make you free, rather it makes every attempt to try and steal away that freedom. Living in a country where you've always been free, you may have forgotten this one single fact. Any freedom be it religous, racial, or social only you can obtain it. Do you think that the southern states of the U.S. just decided to give the blacks racial freedom out of the blue one day because it seemed like a nice thing to do? NO! It took nearly 100 years of resistance from the blacks and help from the north to reform the south. 100 years of hard work, impressive bravery, and unbreakable spirits until african americans were able to go where they wanted. To be able to sit in the front of a bus or walk into a building. There were laws that said that blacks should be treated as equals. Were they treated as equals before or after they fought for it with their civil disobedience? We also shouldnt forget religion. Was christianity widely excepted when it first was realized of did the ancient christians have to fight for the right to practice it when the angry roman masses began to crucifying them to appease their rulers? Some might say that once youve died or gone to jail their was no reason for you to give up your entire life just for that one belief, that one hope that one day you will be able to practice your belief out in the open loud and proud. However giving into fear of the reprecussions of your actions, is the way the gov't controls the masses. Are you free when your to afraid to speak out because if you do youll be reprimanded for it? In society one can never be considered absolutely free, the ones that try to change things in the gov't till the very end are the ones that ought to be though.

lord_Susumu


RainbowColoredKitty
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:47 pm


Freedom. All of us want it, and yes, all of us deserve it. Andrew said 'the law can't make you free.' but neither can your own self. With the law there is restrictions, yes. But there are also restrictions with yourself. There is no way people can ever be completely free. The law restricts, but for good reasons. If there was no law, no government, then people would fight, there would be much more death, much more drug addictions, much more rape. after all, law instills fear into people. Many don't do drugs or kill because they're afraid of the repercussions. An kid in their early twenties that grew up in the ghetto may sit in his car in front of a convince store. He may be broke and need money and so he plans to rob it. He has a gun in the seat next to him. But he drives off and puts the gun up, not harming anyone. Why? Because he knows that the law will be after him. He knows he'll go to jail. Even if there was no law, we ourselves would still put restrictions on ourselves so we couldn't have complete freedom. A teenage kid, being peer pressured into shooting heroin sits there with the needle poised above his arm. But he sets it down, out of fear. You see, even if there was no law, people would put restrictions on themselves. Whether it be out of fear, love, physical state, or mental state. Humans will always make laws for themselves because they cannot live without them.
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