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 Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:56 pm
I post this topic everywhere I go, mostly because I when to know if there are other fighters around or if other people can see the science behind the human body and the things it can do. This topic in and of itself covers a lot of things, mostly you just need to know biology and physics.
Like my name states I'm a warrior. So I like combat and combat related things, including the science of how combat works.
For ex, if you're a person who likes guns, you can talk about which guns you like and why. But also if you, or some other person, wanted to talk about or explain how guns work you can. Or if you like explain how a person can kick a hole in a brick wall or how that a trained fighter hits with about the same force as a car hitting a wall at 35MPH.
I have little hope for this topic in here really, I don't think there are many fighters here. But I'm bored so whatever.
I'll start things off. I'm a mostly self-trained fighter with a few teachers here and there. I like hand-to-hand fighting, melee weapons, and projectile weapons. My skills with guns include being a dual wielder and a sharp shooter (87%+ hit rate). I'm ambidextrous so I'm able to use weapons in ether hand.
Tips for shooting with a high hit%.
1) Finding your dominant eye. Hold out your arm and cover the target with your fist. Close one eye and leave the other one open, then do the same to the other eye. The eye that has your fist still on the target is your dominant eye. If both eyes are still on the target then you can use ether eye to aim. (Mostly only dual wielders and ambidextrous people can use both eyes.)
2) Judge things like the distance, the wind (if any), and air presser.
3) Load and take aim using your dominant eye, (or if you're like me than just use the one closest to the weapon itself.) And pick the spot you want to hit.
4) Time your heart bet and control your breathing. And make any final adjustments to your aim (Like aiming higher the farther away the target is. Or aiming against the wind, ex, if the wind is blowing to the right then you aim off to the lift.)
5) Block out everything but your target. And fire between breaths and heart bets for best aim. And don't move until the projectile has cleared you and the thing it was fired from.
Note: These tips don't just make you a better marksman, but a better shooter all around.
Also, note that the best marksmen can even control their heart bet by slowing it down just before they fire. So, you may want to train yourself on how to breathe and controlling your heart bet.
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Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:38 pm
Can't say I'm a fighter at all, but I think I can offer an extra point to your list. (Hopefully more later.)
Energy preservation:
Don't flail your limbs around. Make your body move as efficiently as possible. Sometimes, it means that you have to use a bit of brain work to tell if your action has a high probability of giving the results you want. If the probability is rather low, you might have to change your direction and tactic.
I learned that lesson from continually capsizing and righting a Laser Pico (a small sailboat) that was taking in water while a typhoon was nearby.
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shall she sail seas Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 11:03 pm
lol That is one of the basic founding principals in all martial arts. If you can remember that while in a fight you'll do fine. Also remember their is a reason why fighting is also sometimes calling dancing. It is because as time passed many martial arts became dances, these dances became not only a why to teach others how to fight but to also hide their art from outsiders. This why when people say, "I can't fight" or "I don't know how to fight" we ask them do they know how to dance. Because there is really no difference the two, other than with fighting you are trying to hurt the people around you.
Note that I'm using term martial arts as meaning all styles of fighting not just those of the Asian arts, that definition only came about in resent years by people who don't know that every culture has it own martial arts.
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Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 12:42 pm
Hmm... but is the idea of energy preservation as important in dance? Dances tend to have a lot more embellishes in movement that do use up energy.
Another thing: Notice sounds and vibrations in general. Chances are when you're fighting, you're going to be visually focused on your target most of the time. Being aware of the sound and vibrations around you gives you a better preparation in case of new situations popping up (e.g. sound dangerous objects falling behind you, the object causing a slight vibration on the ground).
For me, most metal wire smacking sounds on a boat are likely to be bad news. Any awkward sudden jerk in any direction is either a sign that a crew member is doing something too abruptly (which can be corrected by explaining later) or that something needs to be fixed FAST.
And no, I can't dance either. For the most part, I don't really know how to control my actions in the detail that is required for dance and martial arts. I did try Tai Chi as a kid and had absolutely no appreciation for it at the time. My expertise is sailing. My actions while practicing or racing are really improvised and spontaneous without as much "inner substance" as martial artists do.
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shall she sail seas Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:46 pm
That is a good point about dancing, but than there are things like drunken boxing and crazy monkey styles where all those unless movements are use to mask their punches, kicks, and blocks. They look out of control but at the same time always in control, it is the craziness of their movements that make it hard to know where the next hit is going to come from.
Knowledge is power. And in combat you need to know about yourself as well as your opponent, if you want the best odds for surviving. Like the old saying goes, "Know yourself and know your enemy, and you'll find it hard to lose." This fact holds true for you when you are racing as well and in other noncombat things. With most martial arts (well the good ones at lest) the mean thing try to teach you is about yourself, because knowing yourself is half the battle.
In fact there is a few martial arts that was made by sailors. I know savate is one of them and I forget the other. But anyway, think about all you do on a boat. Think about all the skills you need to have you do your job and keep the ship moving. At their core those are some the same skills warriors use in combat. Because just like in battle not having those skills can mean the difference between life and death. I'm not saying you should go you to an area and fight, I'm just pointing out that the skills are interchangeable.
Also you are a girl. There are some styles of fighting that plays to a woman's advantage. Some them almost to the point where it can only be done well by females because man and women have different body types, so there are just some movement only females can do and some moments only males can do. A good number of these are kicking styles, where they focus on the power and speed of the legs more than the arms. Part of their advantage for women is that wearing dresses aids them. A long dress hides their legs, so you can't read their movements clearly, and if the dress is colorful it can be used to distract people making it harder to know where the next attack is coming from. Shoes also plays to a woman's advantage in these types of fighting styles, namely heels. High heel shoes or any shoe with a strong narrow heel can be used as a spike and stab people. One type of shoe that comes to mind are stilettos, that and because the shoes are named after the stiletto dagger. So if you are fighting a girl wearing a long flowing dress and/or heels beware of her kicks.
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Small history on Savate.
Savate takes its name from the French for "old boot" (heavy footwear that used to be worn during fights). The modern formalized form is mainly an amalgam of French street fighting techniques from the beginning of the 19th century. Savate was then a type of street fighting common in Paris and northern France. In the south, especially in the port of Marseille, sailors developed a fighting style involving high kicks and open-handed slaps. It is conjectured that the kicks were done so as to allow the kicker to use a free hand for balance on a rocking ship's deck, and that the kicks and slaps were used on land to avoid the legal penalties for using a closed fist, which was considered a deadly weapon under the law. It was known as jeu marseillais ("game from Marseille"), and was later renamed chausson ("slipper", after the type of shoes the sailors wore). In contrast, at this time in England (the home of boxing and the Queensberry rules), kicking was seen as unsportsmanlike. Traditional savate or chausson was at this time also developed in the ports of North-West Italy and North-Eastern Spain.
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Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:18 pm
Not all girls wear heels and flowe printed dresses all the time though?
I've got a question!! What's the purpose to learning such martial arts?
I'm able to understand, from all your examples and your aid list, that it can have it's benefits to oneself... but why?!
I haven't gone sailing, tried dancing or martial arts before... oh! and another question, is the martial arts an offensive or defensive type of thing? I've heard it depends? How and why?
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Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 11:01 am
No, flowing as in an lose fitting or unconstrained a dress that does not restrict your movements. Think things likes sundresses or those colorful dresses Spanish and Latin dancers ware.
Most people think that martial arts are all about learning how to attack and defend so you can fight. This is wrong and needs to be changed. Martial arts, true martial arts, are a way of life. I'm not going to bore you with a super long post about the history of martial arts and why people still learn them to this day. I'm just going to say this, martial arts teaches you how to deal with life in general by training you in different ways to see the world around you and finding answers to problems. Martial arts also teaches you ways of to find your own path to self-discovery. Besides also teaching you a bit of history, biology, physics, and psychology. The skills of different martial arts have and still are being used in fields other than combat, like food, fitness, alternative medicine, and yes even in the work place and how to run a company. Think about how many times you've heard a business owner refer the act of war when they are making a major decision. The list goes on. Remember some martial arts started off first as being a means to make a living, but then something happened that made people use those same skills for combat. Cause and point, the first ninjas was farmers who was upset with the ruling order and turned against it. This is why most ninja weapons look like farm tools, because that are. For example, the kama could double as both a weapon and a farming implement. So after the fighting is all done you can going back to work.[.Jewl.] I haven't gone sailing, tried dancing or martial arts before... oh! and another question, is the martial arts an offensive or defensive type of thing? I've heard it depends? How and why?
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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 7:17 pm
Because I must ask, what do you think of practically of certain martial arts, or general attacks they encompass?
Things such as Aikido or Tae Kwon Do or the Russian Sambo? I'm just curious. I enjoy martial arts myself, but I can't say that most of them, at least as they are taught are practical. For example, Tae Kwon Do is taught and perceived to be as a martial art of flashy, high kicks. The look sweet, but I'd say with the exception of a couple of the stances and maybe the side kick, most of it is useless when you come down to it.
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Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 11:51 am
Hmm... well it depends on who it is for and why. Generally speaking many martial arts are geared to some people more than others. Aikido and Judo was made by the samurais as way to fight without the use of their swords. If you note that they are mostly defensive and use counter attacks. Tae Kwon Do is mostly offensive and uses the legs because the legs are more powerful than arms and longer. Truth is a lot of kicks are more powerful than punches, if done right. Although in the modern from it is a bit flashy that was not always so, and that is where learning about history comes in. Sambo is really like the MMA of its day, it is mostly an amalgam of different fighting styles mixed together. So truth is my opinion of them is going to change go by the context of what we are talking about or doing.
As for how many martial arts are displayed and shown to the public, I kind hate how movies and tv mislead people because real combat is nothing like that. In fact most of the battle is mental and a giant mind game. We fighters like to think of it as like playing chess with our bodies. You have to see and understand what your enemy is doing while at the same time trying think at lest 2 or 3 moves ahead of them. A wrong step or miss guess and you lose the fight before it even started. That is way when two highly skilled fighters meet they often just watch each other fir a bit before fighting. What they are trying to do is size up each other (reading clues about their past by how they look and move) and trying to read each others minds and plan for the next few moves. The media toke this "showdown" moment and twisted it into some kind of show where they boast and show off. Even in most contest moves are made overly flashy to put on a good show are the crowd. So real fighters play little mind to it and we draw a line between showroom fighting and combat.
As for the so called useless things you are talking about, that is not really true. Granted some of them are outdated. Some of them are useful, but people are using them wrong start with making them seem useless. And some of them are not really meant to be used in combat but rather for training your body and/or mind for more complex things. But they are not useless, remember the old saying "In the right hands anything is a weapons."
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Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:58 am
So, you'd agree that the popularization of martial arts have harmed them more than it helped them, eh? At least, that's what I think. Here's a bit of background on me.
I've been doing Tae Kwon Do for the past 3-4 years. I'm now a "black belt". The reason why I put it in quotes is because I don't truly believe that I am. And here's why. I may have achieved a black belt by WTF standards, but those do not satisfy me a bit, being taught by a traditional master. And I guess that's why I was lucky, getting a traditional master, something rarely seen in the U.S. People have a hard time sparring with me because I don't use their tactics because I rely on practical and less flashy moves to meet my ends.
See, as I watch the sport of Tae Kwon Do, I see it becoming less of a martial art and more of a flashy sport. Lot's of high kicks, lots of spinning, lots of jumping. While most of these things do help develop your body, just like you said, they are not viable attacks and are easily, easily blocked, parried or dodged altogether. The sad part of the matter is that they are becoming prevalent moves nowadays, spawning a whole load of black belts that can jump high and kick high but don't know any of the basics....
I'm sorry in advance for the rant.
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Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:37 am
It is ok, I know how you feel. Back when I was a kid my mom signed me up for karate. I did about 3 weeks of the class before dropping out, because although I was only a white built the only people in the class who could even hope to fight at my level was the black belts and the teacher himself. I dropped out of the class after I realized that I could bet the teacher. Part of the reason could be was that I come form a military family and was trained how to fight by the time I could stand and walk on my own. The other reason was because unlike most kids who said they wanted to be this or that, when I said I wanted to be something I talked to people about it and looked it up for myself. Like when I said I wanted to be a ninja, I learned that first ninjas was farmers so what I did was I went out and helped out in a large garden growing food. Or when I seen the Zatoichi (blind swordsman) movies I wanted to see if I could do it too, so I blindfold myself for about 2 or 3 weeks. Even to this day I still know how to get around with my eyes cloths or in the dark. And so on and so on. By the time I was 12 I had made up my own style of fighting and looked to test it against other styles. I would find schools and see if could challenge the teacher or one of the best students. If they won I would study them for bit and then assimilate it into my personal style to make it stronger. Along the way I learned to use many weapons and more or less master some of them. The more I learned about them the more learned about myself.
lol , I think lost track of where I was going with this post. But yea, I understand.
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Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:48 pm
It is truly sad about what's becoming of martial arts, eh?
Now on a bit of a side note. What do you think of theory and it's importance to martial arts? We're talking about the moral codes many martial art places try to teach you. Would you say that they are beneficial or irrelevant?
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:10 am
I would say they are beneficial if you can apply them to normal everyday life but at the same time irrelevant if you can't use it in combat. Now as for the unspoken code of honor that most true warriors follow, that is something else altogether. The honor code can be used in both normal everyday as well as in combat. And the funny thing about the honor is that when true warriors some together we often use the code the without thinking about it. It is mostly because that even though they may by our enemy and we hate may even hate them, we still respect their abilities as a fighter. And it is deep down respect for that person's abilities that make us use the codes of honor and try your best to win the fight at the same time. But remember the unspoken code of honor is different from the spoken codes of honor that each part of the world has. The spoken codes of honor come from things like culture, while at the same time unspoken code of honor is something that we all understand on base level that almost seems to be built into us.
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:42 pm
But some would argue that an honor code, of any kind would restrain you from reaching your full potential. At least, I've heard the argument many times.
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:50 am
Well the true codes of honor come out of respect for others. It is that respect for them that would not let you do somethings to them because you would not want someone to do the something to you. It also makes you want to have a meaningful victory so subconsciously you do things to make the fight more fair. Like when you are fighting with weapons and the other person drops or loses his weapon, you ether give him back his weapon or let him go get his weapon or you throw away your weapon too before fighting again. Because you want a fight to show who is the best and who's skills are better, so you make the fight as even as you can. Because truth is the true code of honor is the golden rule, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
These true codes of honor show up mostly in people who are natural born warriors and people who have any real level skill. It is because we have pride in what we are and respect for others even if your goal is to fight or even kill each other. It is really something hard to explain to people who are not fighters because it is really more of a feeling than anything else. It tells us to fight our hardest and do what it takes to win, but at the same time it limits the things we can do because of the "No, I don't want to win that way." mindset. I think it was said best like this, "Talented people are capable of understanding us."
Now as for those other codes of honor they come out of culture, and we all know culture changes from place to place and from time to time. These codes of honor has more to do with dealing with people who are in the same culture as you and not much else. Why, because a sign of respect in one culture may be seen as a sign of disrespect or even weakness in another culture. The codes of honor they teach in most martial arts schools are these codes of honor. Mostly because you can't really teach the true codes of honor because it comes from a place deep within the core of your being. You ether have honor or you don't have honor, and the only really way make someone without honor have honor is to make them respect other people, and you can't force someone to have respect.
Now as for the honor code restraining you from reaching your full potential, that may be true when it comes from the cultural honor codes but it is not true of the core honor codes. The core honor codes, the true codes we all share because they do not come from not culture, actually forces you to reach your full potential because you're testing your skills and abilities against the other person(s). For example let's say I found my enemy walking out of a shop, but I noted he was sick and couldn't fight at full power event if he tried. I may just hold back and wait until he feels better before trying to fight him. In the end I'm just making the fight that much harder for myself, but if I can win the fight when he is at full strength than I'm all the more stronger for it because I had to work for my victory and it makes my victory all that much more meaningful because I know we both was fighting at full power.
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