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shall she sail seas Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 7:45 pm
I posted the exact same thread in the Psych&Soc forum on Gaia but ehh... not much insight from there. Maybe with our handpicked guild members, we'd get some more braincandy?
Some questions for you guys:
1. I'm sure a lot of you have advised others or been advised to accept another person for who they are, that changing their personality is out of the question. But is this always good advice?
2. Do you think that certain personality traits are unacceptable simply because of cultural restraints? What are they?
3. Do you think there are certain personality traits that are universally unacceptable? What are they?
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:11 am
I believe that having to change one's personality for another can be dehumanizing in a way. I also believe that not everyone is going to be liked for their personality.
Yes, I believe there are traits that may be disliked due to the cultural background. I don't think the traits can be singled out due to the great variance of opinions and backgrounds that one can come across in this country.
Universally unacceptable personality traits? Perhaps the common could be "being mean", but that's abstract. I believe arrogant attitude isn't really like by anyone, but once again, it's hard to pinpoint what is universal since we all differ in opinions.
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shall she sail seas Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:30 am
Hmm... "being mean". I'll narrow it down. Tell me which ones are on the universal list:
Selfish Irresponsible Unreliable Apathetic Sarcastic Blunt Passive aggressive Suspicious (towards others) Pessimistic Paranoid Conceited Needy/Naggy Accusatory ...
Anything else I've missed?
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:10 pm
I strongly think that someone's changing their personality would not be good for their health. A human's personality is such a huge part of their life that having it stifled and changed and being forced to live differently than they ordinarily would, really would be (as Dirty Wenn said) dehumanizing.
I know it's not answering your question but I'm not really sure what type of personality trait would be unacceptable because of cultural restraints.
And I honestly don't think that any personality trait is ever going to be "universally unacceptable," because while the majority of everyone may find a trait abrasive, there will always be at least a few people who think the opposite. One example I can think of is that I used to know a guy who always said that he really liked when girls were arrogant and acted haughty, two traits that any given person would probably find "unacceptable" and off-putting.
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On a Lunacy Fringe Vice Captain
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shall she sail seas Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 9:01 pm
Since you're studying psychology, I'm kind of surprised that you don't have a more moderate stance in regards to changing one's personality. Granted, such change should only occur as the individual wills it (i.e. the change is not forced upon by another person). While I don't deliberately seek to change others' personalities, I do point out to them traits that I find to be generally unacceptable, like consistent dishonesty. Everyone points out flaws in others though. Whether or not they change their personality is left in their hands.
As for my 3rd question, you seem to be using "softer" traits as examples. What about being accusatory towards everyone? Or being irresponsible for one's own actions?
I'm also curious as to why you feel you're unable to answer the 2nd question.
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Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:39 pm
Changing someone's personality?! Impossible! Well, almost.
I think that someone would always have a guideline, of sorts, to follow when they are a certain trait. People in general are so set on trends and patterns, that only a few, those who allow themselves, to see the objectivity of it all, may re-set their whole personality.
Otherwise, the idea that someone is to change another person's personality is a little iffy. I think that little situations and dilemmas here and there, in which another person can help influence a person with a different personality can be possible. But, the percentage of this happening would differe according to culture and the beliefs there. It can be quite impossible to influence other's personalities in some and often attempted in some cultures.
I think that there is no universal, "unacceptable" trait. It seems that what one culture hate, would be considered normal and okay in others. Culture would have it's different opinions of personality, so in that view, that would mean that not everyone is the same anyways, so a world preference of an, "unacceptable," trait would be considered the same. As in that, there is no one personality that is hated by the whole world.
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shall she sail seas Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 7:38 am
Well, I'm only talking about changing certain personality traits here, not the entire personality of an individual.
Also, I still have some trouble finding in this thread any valid reason why there is no universally unacceptable personality trait, even though I've listed possible examples. As far as I know, I've yet to encounter anyone who considers irresponsibility to be acceptable.
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 6:41 pm
1. Changing personality traits? It's never a good advice, unless the said personality traits interfere with the person's behavior. Things such as antisocial or narcissistic personality disorders. But alas, those are personality disorders and are not "common" traits. So if we exclude the disorders from the argument, then no there is no good time to advise someone to change. That would be an infringement on free choice, eh?
2.Sure, there are many personality traits unacceptable due to societal reasons. But those differ, based on the general opinion of the given society and the given time. Being gay used to be a disorder, now people can deal with it and we have come to hesitantly accept it. All depends on the society....
3.There are no universally unacceptable traits, in my opinion. Why you ask? Because, we can deal with most of the traits. A person is an a*****e? We can ignore him, thus deal him and thus accept his personality as is. By dealing with unwanted traits by either ignoring them or whatnot we are essentially accepting their existence and allowing them to exist. If we instead combated them and didn't accept them as a matter of fact or something that is bound to happen( such as the widely accepted fact that there are irresponsible people in the world) then there would be unacceptable traits....
If my logic seems odd, just tell me and I'll try to explain further.
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shall she sail seas Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:35 pm
Vedun 1. Changing personality traits? It's never a good advice, unless the said personality traits interfere with the person's behavior. Things such as antisocial or narcissistic personality disorders. But alas, those are personality disorders and are not "common" traits. So if we exclude the disorders from the argument, then no there is no good time to advise someone to change. That would be an infringement on free choice, eh? 2.Sure, there are many personality traits unacceptable due to societal reasons. But those differ, based on the general opinion of the given society and the given time. Being gay used to be a disorder, now people can deal with it and we have come to hesitantly accept it. All depends on the society.... 3.There are no universally unacceptable traits, in my opinion. Why you ask? Because, we can deal with most of the traits. A person is an a*****e? We can ignore him, thus deal him and thus accept his personality as is. By dealing with unwanted traits by either ignoring them or whatnot we are essentially accepting their existence and allowing them to exist. If we instead combated them and didn't accept them as a matter of fact or something that is bound to happen( such as the widely accepted fact that there are irresponsible people in the world) then there would be unacceptable traits.... If my logic seems odd, just tell me and I'll try to explain further. I wouldn't categorise sexual preference as a personality trait. sweatdrop But the way you answered my 3rd question intrigues me. Is ignoring a person really acceptance of a person? Ignoring seems to be more like a refusal to accept. The reason I say this is because to ignore someone is basically to exclude that person from your life (although the time span can differ, so you can ignore a person for a few minutes to a year to a lifetime).
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Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:04 pm
But doesn't being gay entail a little bit more than just a sexual preference? sweatdrop
And as for your question on ignorance, I believe it is. When you ignore someone, you cease to care. You cease to try to change them. You cease to dealing with them. That's pretty much accepting them for who they are and dealing with it by not dealing with them.
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